E30 with E39 M5 Power

Post Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:33 pm

with a little persuation!!

Post Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:28 pm

i needed a break from exhausts and manifolds, so this afternoon
decided to put one of the e36 m3 legs on.
took a couple of shackey pics just as the light was fading.
not to happy with clearances.

Post Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:47 pm

Think i read a post on R3V that you need the E36 M3 Evo TCA and the e30 M3 off set TCA bush to get the hub to sit in the right place.

The other thing that was talked about was to use the Tree House rear TCA mount thing,may be worth giving them a ring/email ?

http://www.treehouseracing.com/

BTW those wheels look cool !

HTH

Andy

Post Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:24 pm

yeh that treehouse thingy moves it further forwards in the arch, as ures appears to be back a bit..

hows the mnaifolds coming..... i'm still painting my m3 arms etc.. and working out how to get the m5 fuel pump into a 325i tank i bought... will check it out tmro..

what fuel pump u using glenn?

Karan

Post Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:12 pm

thanks andy, those treehouse rear tca mountings look perfect for what i need, just the job, i will ring them in the next day or two and price them up.
karan, i started it last weekend with the 320 pump in the tank. i will have to find out pump pressures and volumes for 320 and m5 pumps and take it from there.
manifolds are coming along, time consuming and a right ball ache but they have to be done.

Post Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:36 pm

i'm probably gonna cut out the metal where the fuel pump attaches on the m5 and weld the whole lot onto the e30 iS tank....

or i guess it would be possible to run the iS pump along with a FPR of some sort... but at high revs the pressure may not be high enough from the pump...

soooooo many problems for a beginner like me.... i better stick to painting my M3 suspension i have.....

Post Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:09 pm

i'm suprised you have time to paint with all the drifting you been getting up to

keep it on opposite lock

Post Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:27 am

need to sort that positive camber you have there as well dude

Post Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:57 am

glann i think stock e30 pumps should be fine with these engines asthe FPR controls the pressure neway.... DIIIIIIIIRRRRR how stupid am i.....

Karan

Post Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:02 pm

jhonno, the camber is actually negative, the photo's are a little deceiving,
and it's just been lowered off a trolley jack, so the bottom of the tyre has yet to spread and settle, will take a better pic of the both sides on the weekend.
karan, i still have'nt checked out the pressures or flow rates yet(another in a long list of jobs to do).
working slightly different hours this week, so hardly been in the garage this week.
have you done anything to yours this week, seeing as you've been off uni?

Post Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:41 pm

glenn wrote:jhonno, the camber is actually negative, the photo's are a little deceiving,
and it's just been lowered off a trolley jack, so the bottom of the tyre has yet to spread and settle, will take a better pic of the both sides on the weekend.
karan, i still have'nt checked out the pressures or flow rates yet(another in a long list of jobs to do).
working slightly different hours this week, so hardly been in the garage this week.
have you done anything to yours this week, seeing as you've been off uni?

hmm ive been off uni.... but its been raining and ive been a lazy git..... still prepping the running gear....

i was investigating a leak on my 2.7.... which turned out to be all the sump bolts under the bellhousing are missing,,,, and the rest loose...

what a bitch!

no leaks now.... woohoo...

ok im setting myself a target of getting the m3 suspension and 3.64 diff on by the end of the weekend..... and lifting the m5 lump out the e34... where it currently resides......

thing is its raining and i need to strip and clean the running gear but i cant cos its raining...... bugger! well i guess ill make a mess in the garage instead.....

ok thats it im on a mission!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ill get running gear on and post pics of the pretty colours LOL by sunday...

Post Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:48 pm

does this mean that you will be selling the 2.7, Frank

Post Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:52 pm

fjk404 wrote:does this mean that you will be selling the 2.7, Frank

hmmmmmmm make me an offer i cant refuse and i may just sell it......

Post Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:07 pm

glenn wrote:i bought the whole running gear off an e39 m5 from fab's.

you must be rich to buy it from "fab"!!!!

I thought about the M5 V8 conversion but not got there. Yet. lol

Post Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:09 pm

Andy325i wrote:
glenn wrote:i bought the whole running gear off an e39 m5 from fab's. quote]

you must be rich to buy it from "fab"!!!!

fab are surprisingly reasonable for 'some'things, but their engines are pricey indeed.... but at least u get a guarantee....

Post Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:12 pm

Not impressed with FAB aftersales service AT ALL

Post Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:25 pm

glenn wrote:not sure what badge to put on the back yet,
any thoughts anyone?

E30 V8

or no badge and a very discreet "your about to get wasted" in the rear window

Post Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:04 am

glenn wrote: i will have to find out pump pressures and volumes for 320 and m5 pumps and take it from there.

firstly glenn id like to say "that looks fcuking RAMPANT!"

and to add my 2p's worth,

the 320i pump runs at 2.5bar that=40 psi
and the 325i pump is 3bar which =50psi
im not too sure on the m5 pump but i'll work it out for you.
hope that helps in some way??

Post Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:55 pm

Gotta say I love the project.

I had a 325 sport at uni an its was great even thought of getting one as a second car to keep the mileage down on the M5.

Although i would go for an e30 M3 with a 3.2 evo engine. But a V8 must be mad too. An sure to beat any M Car BMW make.

http://www.bazzac.co.uk/extras/jat/DSCF0321.JPG

Jat

Post Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:59 pm

craigieeb wrote:
glenn wrote: i will have to find out pump pressures and volumes for 320 and m5 pumps and take it from there.
firstly glenn id like to say "that looks fcuking RAMPANT!"

and to add my 2p's worth,

the 320i pump runs at 2.5bar that=40 psi
and the 325i pump is 3bar which =50psi
im not too sure on the m5 pump but i'll work it out for you.
hope that helps in some way??

The pump will supply what ever it's told to which is dependant on what the FPR is set to, not the pump.

Post Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:56 pm

got the manifolds finished this afternoon, been a nightmare.
got a job to get your hands in there.
nearside was easy but offside was a ball ache,
each bank of cylinders has two manifolds, had to curl offside around the steering and give the engine enough room to rock and put in joints to allow for removal in the future.
original primary's were 1"
new one's are 2"
should have gained a few ponies there

Post Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:30 pm

glenn wrote:got the manifolds finished this afternoon, been a nightmare.
got a job to get your hands in there.
nearside was easy but offside was a ball ache,
each bank of cylinders has two manifolds, had to curl offside around the steering and give the engine enough room to rock and put in joints to allow for removal in the future.
original primary's were 1"
new one's are 2"
should have gained a few ponies there

good stuff!!!

ill be popping over in the nxt couple of weeks to see this beast!

Karan

Post Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:33 pm

no problem, karan, just give me a ring and i'll come and meet you somewhere.
found a front end damaged e30 m3 in a breakers near to me, sorted out to have complete back axle off him last week (Ãƒ”šÃ‚£250), i then asked how much for the whole back half of the car, he said give me Ãƒ”šÃ‚£350, so i said no problem i'll come back next week with a petrol disc cutter.
went there today and he had a fire there two days ago, lost most of his stock, i was well gutted. the m3 was on the end of a row and it had scortched the near side, so ended up only getting the axle.
will fit it next week

Post Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:40 pm

glenn wrote:no problem, karan, just give me a ring and i'll come and meet you somewhere.
found a front end damaged e30 m3 in a breakers near to me, sorted out to have complete back axle off him last week (Ãƒ”šÃ‚£250), i then asked how much for the whole back half of the car, he said give me Ãƒ”šÃ‚£350, so i said no problem i'll come back next week with a petrol disc cutter.
went there today and he had a fire there two days ago, lost most of his stock, i was well gutted. the m3 was on the end of a row and it had scortched the near side, so ended up only getting the axle.
will fit it next week

damn bad luck!!
at least u got the back subframe arms etc...
thats the important bit!

Karan

Post Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:54 pm

Turbo-Brown wrote:The pump will supply what ever it's told to which is dependant on what the FPR is set to, not the pump.

Only to a point. There does come a point where the pump is not able to maintain the desired pressure.

Most BMW engines run with a 3 bar fuel pressure, but the E36 M3 Evo runs at 5 bar, and has a different pump to cope with this (the 3L M3 still runs at 3 bar). I'm not sure about the E39 M5 though.

When I did my conversion, I fitted the Evo pump in place of the E30 one. It was a bit tricky to get it in, as it's a bit longer than the E30 pump, but it does go in.

Ian.

Post Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:54 pm

Now that I did not know!

Why on earth did they make it a 5bar system?!

Oh well, by pure chance I've got a pump which supports over 5bar but I ,ust admit I've never even looked at the FPR on the Evo engine!

Post Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:02 pm

this afternoon i got the old 320 axle off and put the e30 m3 axle on

dont know how long the diff will last but we'll have and see
diff is 3.25:1

Post Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:29 pm

diff should probably last a while......

lookin good there glen... those wheels look huuuuge and proper PHAT!!!

Post Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:37 pm

glenn wrote: diff is 3.25:1

with that diff and the 6 speed box and if you remove the speed limiter that thing will prob go 200mph+

Post Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:51 pm

wheels look great dude!

What size tyres are you running on the 5 stud wheels?

Post Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:50 pm

andy,
the wheels are 8.5x17, tyres are 225/45x17,
tyres are not really wide enough for the rims, but they came as a package,
i will put 245's on the back when they wear out (which wont be long me thinks )

Post Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:12 pm

Silly question by nobba will the bonnet shut?! of course it will u plank!

Post Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:46 am

glenn wrote:andy,
the wheels are 8.5x17, tyres are 225/45x17,
tyres are not really wide enough for the rims, but they came as a package,
i will put 245's on the back when they wear out (which wont be long me thinks )

Me thinks not too long either with 400+ bhp! lol

How wide are your wheels mate?

I am planning on using these for mine. They are 8J wide.

Not sure what tyres I can use on them yet! Was thinking maybe 225/40/16"

Post Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:43 pm

225's will be fine on 8j wheels

Post Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:31 pm

fabricated and fitted the propshaft today.
used the m5 front section, m5 centre bearing and then half way along second section i cut and joined it to the e30 prop.
i inserted a slightly smaller tube inside the second section to hold the tubes central then welded them up.
will probably be out of balance but it will be ok for road testing the car.
the last prop i made was ok up to 120, when you could just start to feel vibrations.