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Not sure really where to start as I have an issue with the car will run for about 10 seconds then cut out. I have recently fitted a new fuel pump as the old one as knackered.

However next to the pump there is a Fuel Pressure Damper Regulator fitted. I believe that is the correct name. However after watching a certain youtube video I followed their advice and left it out of the system because they said it wasn’t needed as it only returns surplus fuel and fumes back to the tank and mine was badly worn and leaking. Now I am thinking that was a complete mistake!!!

The car was running fine before I changed the pump and eliminated the fuel pressure regulator.

Being that the car is fitted with I believe the old L-Jetronic system I don’t think it has an additional Transfer Pump fitted in the tank as I can only see a 3 wire plug which operates the fuel level sender which is working fine but I could be wrong.

All the timing is correct and I have spark at the plugs and the injectors are getting power and firing. Fuel is going up and into the rail and out via the other regulator at the end and returning to the tank but the fuel pressure seems low.

Which brings me back to the Fuel Pressure Damper Regulator by the fuel pump under the car do I need to buy another and fit it into the system?

Any help and advice on this would be very welcome and my apologies for waffling!!!
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Found this posted in a another thread on here so perhaps it can be bypassed?

" Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:52 pm
That's not actually the FPR pictured, it's the fuel damper which sits in the supply line near the external fuel pump. I believe you can remove it without issue and just replace with a suitable bit of hose or you can shell out for a new one (not the part linked above though!)"
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Found this posted in a another thread on here so perhaps it can be bypassed?

" Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:52 pm
That's not actually the FPR pictured, it's the fuel damper which sits in the supply line near the external fuel pump. I believe you can remove it without issue and just replace with a suitable bit of hose or you can shell out for a new one (not the part linked above though!)"
To get it running you can bypass it it may be a bit hesitant at mid revs without it but it will run better than it would with it knackered inside.
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Found this posted in a another thread on here so perhaps it can be bypassed?

" Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:52 pm
That's not actually the FPR pictured, it's the fuel damper which sits in the supply line near the external fuel pump. I believe you can remove it without issue and just replace with a suitable bit of hose or you can shell out for a new one (not the part linked above though!)"
To get it running you can bypass it it may be a bit hesitant at mid revs without it but it will run better than it would with it knackered inside.
Thanks for your help, it is currently bypassed but car will only run for about 10 seconds so there has to be something else?
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Could you not refit the Fuel Pressure Damper Regulator, or did you throw it away? Also, has the fuel filter been replaced, and if so, was it fitted the correct way round? Any blockage there would reduce the fuel pressure.
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Thanks for your help, it is currently bypassed but car will only run for about 10 seconds so there has to be something else?
Does it keep running if you give it a bit of throttle say to 1500 revs?
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Does it keep running if you give it a bit of throttle say to 1500 revs?
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Sadly not it just cuts out
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Could you not refit the Fuel Pressure Damper Regulator, or did you throw it away? Also, has the fuel filter been replaced, and if so, was it fitted the correct way round? Any blockage there would reduce the fuel pressure.
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Could you not refit the Fuel Pressure Damper Regulator, or did you throw it away? Also, has the fuel filter been replaced, and if so, was it fitted the correct way round? Any blockage there would reduce the fuel pressure.
Thanks for your reply. Sadly old one rusted and leaked so needs replacing (Currently Bypassed as stated above) IF indeed it is needed to make the car run . Fuel filter is fitted correctly and fuel coming through fine although I do take your point regarding the fitting and being partially blocked.
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I suggest you carefully check all the relevant items mentioned in the Wiki guide for L-jets, in particular, the air slide valve, idle control valve, etc.
https://www.e30zone.net/e30wiki/index.p ... lide_Valve

Also, I notice in your photo that the AFM is pointing down at an angle, whereas originally, they are mounted horizontally on a bracket, which may have something to do with it...
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I suggest you carefully check all the relevant items mentioned in the Wiki guide for L-jets, in particular, the air slide valve, idle control valve, etc.
https://www.e30zone.net/e30wiki/index.p ... lide_Valve

Also, I notice in your photo that the AFM is pointing down at an angle, whereas originally, they are mounted horizontally on a bracket, which may have something to do with it...
Thanks for the reply. Funnily enough I am currently reading through it as we speak lol. What do you mean by AFM? perhaps its the MAF? I did try and see if the ar would start with it disconnected but made no difference
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The AFM is the Air Flow Meter. MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensors were only fitted to BMW E36s onwards, never E30s.

It is a precision air flow measuring item, so mounting it at an odd angle probably won't help it operate correctly.
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The AFM is the Air Flow Meter. MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensors were only fitted to BMW E36s onwards, never E30s.

It is a precision air flow measuring item, so mounting it at an odd angle probably won't help it operate correctly.
Thanks Maurice for the clarification I will adust it accordingly. Looking at what I just read it doesn't mention a transfer pump in the tank only the external pump so I take it that is the only one fitted. It also doesn't say anything about the Fuel Pressure Damper on the return line either!!
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I think I may have confused myself and a few people on here so I apologize for any misunderstanding. Please look at the attached photo.
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The part I am referring to that I removed is the one circled in Orange which I think is a fuel Pressure Regulator. I believe the Part Number is 16121178035 and has been given different names depending on which part site you look at. Not sure if its still available or if an alternative could be used?

The part coming down off the tank feed pipe that looks like a mini saucepan is the Damper.

Please correct me if I am wrong!!

So it looks like I removed the wrong part!!! so no wonder the car won't run lol
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It's described as an "Absorber" on RealOEM:
https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/partxr ... series=E30
Used on all models apparently, including M3, from 1983-1993. Also used on various other 1980s BMWs, and even Alfa Romeos, etc.

Alternatively known as a Fuel Pressure Damper Regulator, or Pulsation damper.
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It's described as an "Absorber" on RealOEM:
https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/partxr ... series=E30
Used on all models apparently, including M3, from 1983-1993. Also used on various other 1980s BMWs, and even Alfa Romeos, etc.

Alternatively known as a Fuel Pressure Damper Regulator, or Pulsation damper.

I know I stated that at the start, However on some other sites it isn't. It doesn't matter what its called in so much as what it does and supplies pressure
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Does the fuel pump cut out after the car runs for only 10 seconds?
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Does the fuel pump cut out after the car runs for only 10 seconds?
Thanks for your reply. Yes it does. I was wondering f it was caused by an immobiliser but I am sure I don't have one fitted as I can't find it lol There is nothing fitted above the ecu or anywhere else that I can see
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Are you sure it's not a defective new fuel pump or loose connection to it that is causing the problem?

On another forum, I found this:
"Recently converted to l-jet on my M10, and had problems with over-fuelling to start with. Things to test are the cold start valve and the temperature sensor (thermo time switch) which controls it, and the temperature sensor for the ecu.

You should be able to test these with a multimeter and a pan of water on the cooker. Will try and dig out some of the specifications for testing, but the thermo time switch should be either 8 seconds or 12 seconds closed (cold start fires) and after that open (cold start valve stops firing.

You can also try unplugging the injector wires and seeing what the cold start does on its own. It is enough to start the M10 and then the car will die after a few seconds. Also check the wiring to both."

So, maybe your car is running on the cold start valve/injector for 10 seconds, but not the normal injectors?
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Are you sure it's not a defective new fuel pump or loose connection to it that is causing the problem?

Thanks for the reply and sorry for my late response.

I checked the fuel pump just in case and it seems ok on the multimeter and I also removed the fuel line and when cranking it was filling a bottle fine so I think I an rule that out for now.
I also found out that my car doesn't have a transfer pump just a fuel level sender and filter.

I did try it with the thermo switch disconnected but it made o difference. But I will check it again with a multimeter and I a going to check the air slide valve as well.

I am beginning to wonder if I have a vacuum leak I haven't detected yet
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Yes, possibly, or maybe a block in the fuel supply somewhere; old rubber hoses can collapse internally, although if you are getting a decent feed from the pump into a bottle that is perhaps ruled out...

Did it pump fuel for longer than 10 seconds when you fed it into a bottle though?
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Yes it did and it also came through the rail and out of the return line fine after the FPR whilst cranking into a bottle.
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Hi everyone, Thanks for all the replies and help and just a quick update to say that I have now tested the thermo time switch which is reading 5.06ohms and is getting power from the plug and tested in a pan of water and is working fine.

I noticed that the rubber boot on the back of the AFM plug on the inlet manifold is worn out but I think it only covers the wires as a protector but I could be wrong.
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However the most important thing I discovered was the fact that It Does have an Alarm fitted to it and I feel like a complete idiot for missing it lol !!!

When I took off the relay cover on the inner wing it was there staring at me !!! I did do a google search but I didn't find any useful info on it

Anyway as far as I am aware I have never used it and I don't know how it works. So any help on how to check it would be great as someone mentioned this could be my issue.
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Which type of alarm is it - the magnetic key type? I found this quote from a while back:
"i have a 320I cabby and it had the magnetic key immobilizer fitted. If its engaged it will prevent the fuel pump from engaging. I struggled to get any documentation on the spec for the immobilizer from the dealers when i purchased the car and had read stories how it had left a couple of zoners stranded.

I bypassed mine years ago - your loom will likely have a green wire plug (pretty sure its green) behind the glovebox, i simply unplugged the one from the immobilizer control box (this is under the dash (driver side)) on top of the ecu and plugged in the corresponding wire from the loom. (green). In the event your loom does not have this plug you will need to splice the cables together to bridge them."
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Sorry for the delay in updating my post but here are the latest testing results as of today

Fuel Pressure From Pump Going Into Fuel Rail In = 34psi or 2.3 bar

Fuel Pressure After Fuel Pressure Regulator returning to Fuel Tank = 34psi or 2.3 bar

When Cranking engine the Fuel Pressure read outs goes from 34 up to 70 psi.

Fitted a new fuel regulator and got the same readings.

Removed and Checked Air Slide Valve that is Working Correctly.

Replaced Old Fuel with New made no difference.

Checked for Vacuum Leaks found 2 so replaced hoses.

Car still fires up and runs but it is only momentarily If I spray some easy start into the manifold it will run a little longer before cutting out.

I also rechecked the MAF, the TPS and thermotime switch and all are working.

Replaced the fuel pump relay and still no difference.

However when checking the female connecting block with a multimeter that the fuel pump relay plugs into I found the following:

With the Ignition Off
Pin 31 is a continuous live reading 12.55 volts
All the other pins are off O volts.

With the Ignition On

Pin 31 is still live at 12.55 Volts
Pin 50 is live 12 Volts
Pin 15 has 0 Volts
Pin TD has 0 Volts
Pin 87b has 0 Volts
Pin 87 has 10.8 Volts?

I was informed that Pin 30 should be live and Pin 31 should be Earth? Unless as in this case my Pin 31 is live so does this provide the power correctly to Pin 30 when the Pump relay is plugged in?

Additionally why is Pin 87 reading 10.8 Volts with ignition on (not cranking BTW) I would have thought that it would be 12 volts and only on when cranking or from receiving power from Pin 30 via the pump relay?

Now this is a UK spec car and seems to share a lot with the 323i. It doesn't have any electronics above the ecu that is mounted to the right of the steering wheel under the dash and I haven't seen anything around the glovebox area as yet but I could be wrong.

I therefore presume I must have some kind of short circuit or a faulty component that I haven't discovered yet?

Has anyone else had this kind of issue? and how did you resolve it any advice or tips would be gratefully received as this is driving me nuts!!!
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Did you check that green wire connection as per my previous post?
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Did you check that green wire connection as per my previous post?
https://www.e30zone.net/e30wiki/index.p ... Green_Wire
Hi Maurice
Thanks for your reply and no I didn't sorry to say embarrassingly I forgot all about it so thanks for the link and I will make that my next job :o:
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Green Wire Coil Test
Connected Coil Positive (85+) to Earth with Bulb Tester got good signal and constant even when cranking engine.

Engine Harness Plug testing. It has a 2 plug system. One round 6 pin plug and the other is a rectangular 2 pin plug which I think is for the cps sensors.
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I have not find a drawing or diagram on this as yet to tell me which pin does what?? I only found a parts reference to it on this link and it shows that the part is no longer available

when I did a continuity test with the ignition On (not Cranking) I found that the Centre pin reads 13.25 ohms and all the others had nothing.

I also checked with ignition off and found continuity on some of the pins but difficult to say what is what without a wiring diagram.
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I would disconnect each connector in the engine bay and clean them up with electrical contact cleaner, and possibly a suitable cleaning brush, and go from there. Also, check all the ground connections are good.
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Been doing that as I been testing but going to test the rest as you say especially earths. Stiil need to get info on the alarm and maybe the Active Check Control Display Unit
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I never realised how hard it is to update your own thread when you haven’t been on for a while lol!!!

I had hoped to have updated sooner but I trapped a nerve in my lower back which has been very painful and stopped from working for the last few weeks.
Anyway here is a progress report on what I have found so far after a fair amount of research and before you ask, No it is still not running!!!
This car is fitted with the short lived Telefunken TSZ1 Ignition Control Unit and its ancillaries which shares its system with the older 323i and some early 5 series.
I found some extra information that was very useful so I hope it helps anyone else with a similar problem.

So from the BMW 3 SERIES 1985 E30 Haynes Owner's Manual I found in Chapter 5 Engine Electrical Systems I found a set of tests for this Unit.
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In photo 10.2b you can see the numbers of the connections which may vary from car to car so here is another photo that may help.
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I have now done these tests a couple of times and here are my results
1I rechecked for spark on 3 different plugs all ok
2 Retested Coil and checked wires. Rechecked the readings with a multimeter with the following results
+ to centre Post of 7.69 ohms
-to centre post 7.69 ohms
+to – minus = 1.0 ohms
Next test i did was on the 2 pin Impulse Generator Plug that comes from the distributer and plugs into the Ignition Control Unit.

The multimeter readings between + and – are:
Ignition off I get 1.064 ohms

With ignition on and cranking I get 2 to 3 volts and over difficult to read on your own lol.

On the ICU socket side I get 79.5 ohms between+ and – .

Testing the Round Plug from the engine side with a multimeter
From the Haynes photo
6 (31) to 2 (16) = 11.85 volts
6 (31) to 3 (15) = 11.80 volts
6 (31) to T/D = 2.680 volts
6 (31) to 5 (S) = 53 plus volts (weird reading).
Testing the TSZ1 Ignition Control Unit Mounted on the Bulkhead with a multimeter.
Tested for continuity between the round plug and the ICU on the bulkhead
6 (31) to 31 (6) Ignition Off = 7.5ohms (0.1volt)
(3) 15 to (3) 15 Ignition On = 0.0 ohms (11.11 volts)
(2) 16 to (2) 16 Ignition On = 0/L ohms sometimes I get 0.0 ohms tends to flick between the two
(2) 16 to (2) 16 Ignition Off = 0/L ohms sometimes I get 0.0 ohms tends to flick between the two
T/D to T/D Ignition On = 5.25 ohms
Now at this point I rechecked the coil and even tried another coil but got the same result
To Summarise so far:
As I have mentioned before I am not an electrician but most of the results do correspond to the Haynes Manual.
However wire 16 (2) apart from using a multimeter I also tested it with a Digital Circuit Tester and that showed the power jumping around between 10.5 to 12.5 Volts whereas the my multimeter shows a steady 11.85 Volts
I cannot find a corresponding wiring diagram yet to trace the route but I think it goes direct to the coil?
So the next step is to see where else it connects to?
I have also been told that the Impulse Generator in the dizzy could be the problem but the test results seem to show that it is ok.
As for the ECU I don’t know how to test that and I cannot find any information on how to?
I also don’t know how to remove the wiring harness if I have to and I cannot find any information on that either.
I don’t know if running a direct wire from the battery to the coil would temporarily do the trick and allow the car to run for longer that a minute!! lol
So if anyone else has any advice or has had this issue and knows how to fix it please get it touch.
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Does it still start and run only for 10 seconds?

If so, a possible cause could be a soft perished rubber fuel hose that contracts causing a blockage, or maybe you need to remove the fuel filler cap as the venting may be blocked, causing excess vacuum in the fuel tank...
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Does it still start and run only for 10 seconds?

If so, a possible cause could be a soft perished rubber fuel hose that contracts causing a blockage, or maybe you need to remove the fuel filler cap as the venting may be blocked, causing excess vacuum in the fuel tank...
Hi Maurice Thanks for your reply. It will run for about 20 seconds on its own or so. If I spray some easy start via an inlet vacuum pipe it will run up to a minute bu not ideal

When I checked fuel in and out on the pipes the flow was good and no sin of blockage

I will check the fuel ap and try running it with the cap off and hope its something that simple.

Although I am still concerned about the wire reading on connection 16
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By "0/L ohms" do you mean it fluctuates between 0 and infinite reading? Perhaps try running a steady +12V to that pin 16 and see what happens...
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By "0/L ohms" do you mean it fluctuates between 0 and infinite reading? Perhaps try running a steady +12V to that pin 16 and see what happens...
Thanks or your reply. When I use the multimeter it does remain steady. It is only when I used a digital volt tester that I noticed a difference and it was jumping around so it may mean nothing
Also I have done the open fuel cap test that Maurice suggested (sure I have already done this already lol) anyway tried again but made no difference.
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