Engine not starting: Ignition Key Outputs

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tjwoon
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Post Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:00 pm

Hi,

My 1991 318i had a push start button which I am now removing. From the moment I bought the car, it had never started via the key. Procedure was to turn the key to the On position (2 clicks), and press the push start button.

I have now found that I can start the engine by following this procedure:
1. Turn the key to the On position (2 clicks).
2. Short the following wires: Black and Green/Gray.

Photo of the wires:
E30 ignition key wires.png

I want to make it so that I can start the engine via the key, without shorting the wires by hand.

I tested the "output" of the key in various positions, but I can't figure out why the ignition key is behaving the way it behaves:
  • Black and Green/Gray are already connected when the key is in the On position (but the starter motor does not engage).
  • The main between On and Start positions is that all electrical connections to the Green/Gray wire seem to be cut in Start.
  • Other differences are slightly lower resistance on the Red-to-Purple and Green-to-Purple wires.
Any ideas what's going on and how to fix it so that the car starts when the key is turned to the Start position?


I notice that the key needs to be turned back to Off before it can be pushed into Start again. Not sure if this is the normal behavior.

I found a couple of threads here saying the plastic part with the terminals/wires could be worn out inside - but I don't understand why the car starts when I short the Black and Green/Gray wires, when they are already connected in the On position. Should I be checking voltages too?

Attached some tables showing the electrical connection between wires/terminals and between terminal to ground.


Thanks in advance
TJ
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Post Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:37 pm

These might be helpful, Troubleshooting chart and ignition switch wiring diagram.

https://www.e30zone.net/e30wiki/index.p ... oubleshoot

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Post Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:40 am

Sorry for dropping off, and thanks @fixedwheelnut for the link.

I embarked on a bit of an adventure with my nugget of a 318i, so will have to revisit this sometime in the future:
20221008_161126.jpg
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Post Sat Oct 08, 2022 7:41 pm

tjwoon wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:40 am
Sorry for dropping off, and thanks @fixedwheelnut for the link.

I embarked on a bit of an adventure with my nugget of a 318i, so will have to revisit this sometime in the future:

20221008_161126.jpg
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