alpina123 NEGATIVE [AVOID]

[alpina123]

3 months from when it's sold

[jimbom30cab]

I think you should do the honourable thing and provide a refund, come on fair's fair eh ??

[gooseygander110]

I know where i won't be getting my diff from !!

[alpina123]

Like I said previously 3 months is more than enough if there was a problem then I would have refunded it's not my fault he didn't fit it straight to his car if I was hiding something I wouldn't have given any warranty at all would I there was nothing wrong with that diff, if i warranted parts from when they are fitted how would I know if customers lied about when they fitted it not saying magpie has done this but I can't have rules for someone and different for others, that was in response to hoobs question btw

[Hoobs]

So he could have fitted it, ragged the life out of it for 2 months and 3 weeks, then asked for a refund which you'd pay because it's before your 3 month limit?

Instead, it sits unused for 4 months (which he says he's proved) but you won't consider a refund because the limit has passed?

That said, you refuse to accept there's a problem with the diff anyway, because you said you checked it. Why would that be any different if this was a month ago?

[alpina123]

If you have a problem me with the diff it is your right to be refunded within 3 months that how it works and yes we do get done over by a lot of people who would do what you said above its a nightmare that's why I can be lenient on warranties it's three months end of sorry

[e30topless]

in fairness to all involved I can see where the 3 month warranty kicks in, but at the same time if Mick hasn't used it at all (and I believe him ) the item hasn't withstood 3 months of use, that's poor

I'm fairly sure mick wouldn't make it up, he would rather be driving his car than underneath it with diff drama's

surely there's middle ground here somewhere?

[bab-91]

Give Mick the refund or sell your scrap through ebay... o no wait.



http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/bmwalpina123

[alpina123]

Give Mick the refund or sell your scrap through ebay... o no wait.



http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/bmwalpina123

Hahah very funny

[alpina123]

in fairness to all involved I can see where the 3 month warranty kicks in, but at the same time if Mick hasn't used it at all (and I believe him ) the item hasn't withstood 3 months of use, that's poor

I'm fairly sure mick wouldn't make it up, he would rather be driving his car than underneath it with diff drama's

surely there's middle ground here somewhere?

No one can see where I'm coming from ether was nothing wrong with that diff if he knew he wasn't going to fit it for four months why buy it or ask what warranty it came with I would happily have held it for him, but like I've said I had no problems with it and it's been over 3 months

[bab-91]

I would completely agree with alpina123 if this was a sale outside of the zone but its not. Mick is a trusted member and contributor to the zone, I would have no reason to question his honesty.

The zone is a site for enthusiasts and shouldn't be used as a cheap portal to flog scrap.

Everyone needs to make a living but not on this site.

[alpina123]

What's the difference between magpie and someone walking down the street? There isn't one to me like I said customers don't get treated differently just because they have bought something through the zone your telling me if you had bought the diff outside of here you would of said oh we'll next time I'll order through the zone because it means I know something?

The diff was not scrap

End of

[bab-91]

You're arguing from a point of technicality (warranty).

The difference between the zone and elsewhere is this is a small community of enthusiasts. I would expect sellers to be less mercenary than the high street. So yes, I would rather buy from the zone because you expect to be treated fairly.

[alpina123]

I treat no customer different form the next regardless of where its being sold or who to it Is the only way it can be done otherwise it would be unfair to anyone else a 3 month warranty is more than enough as I said previously it wouldn't be worth my time to be selling shit then putting a 3 month warranty on it would it?

3 months is fair enough

[Brianmoooore]

Yes he does it's called a job. Selling parts

So you freely admit that you are a commercial trader. Which of our trader packages to you wish to subscribe to?

[spook]

Mick is a well respected member of this forum, if you wish to be respected in the same way give Mick his money back.

[Hoobs]

What's the difference between magpie and someone walking down the street?

There isn't one to me

This is where your opinion and mine differ. I would see him as being different because he's a fellow zoner / enthusiast, on a forum where we supposedly support one another.

In return for selling here (for free), is it too much to expect that we give each other the benefit of the doubt? Magpie is a long standing member of the zone and as such, it seems his word is worth taking.

So what if the diff sat unused? It's a piece of precision engineering, not a loaf of bread. LSD's don't go stale do they? I think it's a shame that you guys couldn't work out an amicable solution. Instead, you've most likely damaged your reputation as a seller instead.

[alpina123]

Look I'm sorry but I sold a good diff that had no problems whatsoever ever with it it had done 50k miles, it comes with a standard 3 month warranty if it was within this time he would have got his money back regardless the fact it isn't means I won't refund because it just means I'll have a no good diff but no one cares about that as long as magpie gets his money back because everyone likes him, I don't come on public forums to gain respect, I come on them because I am into cars and enjoy time on here

[spook]

Warranty? who are ya, JohnfookinLewis

[craigieeb]

Look I'm sorry but I sold a good diff that had no problems



I won't refund because it just means I'll have a no good diff

EH! ??

[alpina123]

EH?
He's telling me the diffs now fucked so if he sent it back I would have a no good diff wouldn't i?!

[spook]

Well he is not gonna send it back if its good is he.

Cmon mate sort it out.

[craigieeb]

EH?
He's telling me the diffs now ****** so if he sent it back I would have a no good diff wouldn't i?!

But that's exactly what he has now..
so instead of you being left with a whiney diff, he had to pay for the pleasure????

and because it has not been used from the time it was delivered untill recently, then it's obvious it was like that when you sent it, :/

[alpina123]

How would you know were you sat next to me in the car when it was driven? No there was absolutely nothing wrong with that diff how many times have you heard of torsen diffs shitting themselves? Especially ten year old 50k mile ones?

[Hoobs]

Look I'm sorry but I sold a good diff that had no problems whatsoever ever with it it had done 50k miles, it comes with a standard 3 month warranty if it was within this time he would have got his money back regardless the fact it isn't means I won't refund because it just means I'll have a no good diff but no one cares about that as long as magpie gets his money back because everyone likes him

Someone is being less than honest then. Either you supplied a perfect diff, as you state. Or Magpie has damaged it since taking possession?

I don't know Magpie but any seller has to accept responsibility for the stuff they sell. Why is your word to be taken over his? What possible explanation is there for the diff failing despite it not being fitted?

[alpina123]

I do accept responsibility for three months then it Is over to the person that bought it which is more than fair i know that diff had no whines whatsoever when it left me

[craigieeb]

I'v just been out in the car today, and the DIFF IS WHINING and I'v taken a video of it,
for proof!!

what more do you need to understand that the diff is faulty?????????


it doesnt matter how old or how many miles were on it, if it's faulty then its faulty.

[whiterhino]

This seems to be a catch 22 situation really.in alpina 123 defence he sold it with warranty and the warranty has passed.in magpies defence the item is clearly faulty and he hasn't had 3 months use from the item.its only just been fitted.this is not gumtree or eBay.its supposed to be a place where everybody loves cars and generally help each other out. Surely some agreement can be reached.if it was me considering the facts.id pay back half the money.split the loss 50 /50. Just my 2 pence worth

[alpina123]

Look at the end of the day it don't know what could have happened to that diff now, so after the three months why should I then give him half his money back when I knew it was a good diff?

[macas]

Warranty? who are ya, JohnfookinLewis

Hahahaha!!

[BenHar]

Yes he does it's called a job. Selling parts

So you freely admit that you are a commercial trader. Which of our trader packages to you wish to subscribe to?

Answer this, please, alpina123.

Ben

[alpina123]

I sold a couple of diffs as anyone else could I'm not advertising a company

[bab-91]

Alpina123, Like I've said I would agree with you if this wasn't on the zone.

As far as liking Magpie, never met him. I'm sure your both nice chaps.


Realistically, some form of comprise is going to have to be met. As I see it:

Do nothing: Magpie is left with a f**ked diff + £260 out of pocket and this is left as a stain on your reputation.

50/50 split: Damage limitation

Full refund: All is well in the world, other than this thread which can be removed at the request of Magpie.

Magpie paid £260. If you are in the breaking cars game, it didn't cost you £260 so your loss isn't as sore and you can continue flogging car bitz.

[alpina123]

I'm sorry but i don't sell good parts then refund them when there out of warranty and been broken
Also how would you know what that car owed as a breaker, your don't know what I paid for it and what I sold just because I may have made a profit on the whole car by selling the engine does not mean I have to give everything else away now does it? I wonder if that's what magpie does when he breaks cars?

[bab-91]

1)I'm sorry but i don't sell good parts then refund them when there out of warranty and been broken

2) Also how would you know what that car owed as a breaker, your don't know what I paid for it and what I sold just because I may have made a profit on the whole car by selling the engine does not mean I have to give everything else away now does it?

I wonder if that's what magpie does when he breaks cars?

1) So you're 100% certain the diff was in working order & has since been broken by Magpie?

2) I never claimed to know, just common sense considering its your trade.


You break cars, you could easily make up the difference by selling parts on here.

Is that less or more likely if you stand your ground on this issue? Internet forums are a double edged sword

PR my good man, keep the peasants happy and rule!

I've said more than enough and I'll give you some peace now.