What does a 'SPORT' model actually offer above an 'SE'?

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Post Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:53 pm

Hi...what is the real, tangible difference between say a 325i Sport and a 325i SE?.....Apart from the cosmetic aspect, is it just a lowered suspension? ......and a LSD?....with the remainder being the 'kudos' of a factory Sport model?...I just want to be sure, before I go spending my hard earned...
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Post Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:05 am

Perhaps I over simplified it...

Does the 'Sport' have bigger anti roll bars / firmer bushes / a quicker rack / a closer ratio box / bigger brakes / better oil and water cooling / .....?
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Post Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:06 am

It's all in the wiki pages.

It's the same shell, and engine but with a different gearbox, diff and suspension. Then has interior trim which is different from a standard e30

If your thinking of saving some money and buying a se, you still need to find a good condition one.

A sport will always hold a higher premium just because it's a 'sport'
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Post Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:07 am

http://www.e30zone.net/e30zonewiki/index.php/325i_Sport

Basically the Mtech2 Sport had an LSD, -15mm Mtech suspension, closer ratio 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears, 15" BBS, a black headlining, map light mirror, OBC, sports seats and the body kit. All of which could be ordered on any 325i from new.

If you're looking for a 325i, look at bodywork/rust first. A clean boggo 325i will be a better buy than a tired Sport.
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Post Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:14 am

Cheers guys...thats perfect...and I will check Wiki again....many thanks :)
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Post Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:55 am

there was a special edition sport from your neck of the woods, had a few "extras" winkeye
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Post Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:09 am

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Post Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:33 pm

The limited edition 'BrumSport'?...Was that the one with the brown velour interior.....fluffy dice....AND the coach lines along the flanks that read 'Yow alright matey'...??...I will keep my eyes open for one of those...:)...
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Post Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:38 pm

Nothing as classy as that, a Birmingham Sport has two extra doors :)
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Post Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:48 pm

Just two extra doors?...thats it???....I was lusting over the brown velour..!!!...oh well, I will just have to find another dream! lol..:)
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Post Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:31 pm

jmc330i wrote:http://www.e30zone.net/e30zonewiki/index.php/325i_Sport

Basically the Mtech2 Sport had an LSD, -15mm Mtech suspension, closer ratio 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears, 15" BBS, a black headlining, map light mirror, OBC, sports seats and the body kit. All of which could be ordered on any 325i from new.

If you're looking for a 325i, look at bodywork/rust first. A clean boggo 325i will be a better buy than a tired Sport.
All depends where you want to spend money and what end product and driving expirience you want

1st - even a nice clean rust free 325i is not easy and hard to find, but finding a half decent one may need a bit if work, but if sport styling/other extras suspension and interior etc as you listed are a "must/want" then its better to buy a sport with it all , and it being a genuine end product , and spending even 2 grand on rust/body work , than buying a 325i and spending more on buying and adding all those bits to a 325i and ending up with a non genuine sport, so to speak

Buying a sport kit, all new fittings and it to be painted and fitted properly - could set you back £1000-1200 or something maybe to do a proper job , nice full sport interior £4/500 all in ,gear knob and steering wheel £150, full nice sport suspension £5-600 ? Map mirror and obc a couple of ton and messing about fitting ,nice 15"bbs with tyres £300-350 ,LSD £400, sort gear box ? etc etc could eat money on top of £3-4k for the car purchase for a nice clean 325i , and you also so not have to take the car to pieces and loads of time fitting it all or labour expense
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:13 pm

Hi all...many thanks for all of that...guess what?...I went and saw a 325i Sport yesterday...and left a deposit on it! :)..
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:27 pm

Take the VIN to BMW and check that it really is a 'Sport'. Whatever is written on the V5 is no proof at all. There are plenty of real Sports that don't have 'Sport'on the V5, and plenty of fakes that do. Up to a few years ago, the DVLA would write whatever you asked them to as the model description.
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:02 pm

Within 2 days ? Post a link up to the car, hope its a good one for you, good ones not easy to find and rushing out buying the 1st you see is a bit risky !! Good luck
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:25 pm

Brianmoooore wrote:Take the VIN to BMW and check that it really is a 'Sport'. Whatever is written on the V5 is no proof at all. There are plenty of real Sports that don't have 'Sport'on the V5, and plenty of fakes that do. Up to a few years ago, the DVLA would write whatever you asked them to as the model description.
Hi Brian...thanks for that...I am going to do that..
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:54 pm

Anxiously waiting for bodge / rust pics ! :D
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:12 pm

pacerpete wrote:Anxiously waiting for bodge / rust pics ! :D
Hi Pacer Pete :)...i did come across you in some of the threads as 'THE' man to take when viewing Sports....and if I were closer to you, I am sure I would have given you a shout...as it happens, this car was virtually on my doorstep....in fact, its from a 'Zoner'..
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polsta wrote:Within 2 days ? Post a link up to the car, hope its a good one for you, good ones not easy to find and rushing out buying the 1st you see is a bit risky !! Good luck

Hi...yes, I got rather excited and felt I just had to have it...still, I enjoy living dangerously...:)
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:17 pm

The way I looked at it was this: would one 'Zoner' shaft another?..lol...I would like to think not....its a question of honour?!..( i hope )...:)
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:29 pm

979-SPORT wrote:The way I looked at it was this: would one 'Zoner' shaft another?..lol...I would like to think not....its a question of honour?!..( i hope )...:)
Yes they would and they have, people are people and there are a lot of degenerate thieving pricks about!
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:36 pm

979-SPORT wrote:Hi all...many thanks for all of that...guess what?...I went and saw a 325i Sport yesterday...and left a deposit on it! :)..

This one?

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=248286
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:55 pm

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979-SPORT wrote:Hi all...many thanks for all of that...guess what?...I went and saw a 325i Sport yesterday...and left a deposit on it! :)..

This one?

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=248286
Yes...that one...
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:03 pm

That's my old car. Advert is very accurate. I brought it from Northern Ireland, did the bodywork and paint and then it sat for years.

Manual conversion was done properly, after I had sold it.

Congrats, you got a bargain.
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:05 pm

In that case it will, in all probability, be exactly how it's described.
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:08 pm

Topblag wrote:That's my old car. Advert is very accurate. I brought it from Northern Ireland, did the bodywork and paint and then it sat for years.

Manual conversion was done properly, after I had sold it.

Congrats, you got a bargain.
Mwah! lol...I could kiss you!..:)...thats great news mate...i will keep you updated ...
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:09 pm

pacerpete wrote:Anxiously waiting for bodge / rust pics ! :D
Hi Pete...apparently its a good un'?...
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:25 pm

Topblag wrote:That's my old car. Advert is very accurate. I brought it from Northern Ireland, did the bodywork and paint and then it sat for years.

Manual conversion was done properly, after I had sold it.

Congrats, you got a bargain.
I just wanted to ask...did you sell it without the interior? If so, why?

And, what can you tell me about the exhaust?...Its got a 6 branch manifold, Fitz Bitz centre, and Scorpian Le Mans back box ( so I am told )...is that a 'pukka' set up?...
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:43 pm

Yes, I sold it without the interior as it was fooked. I did have a replacement but I sold that in advance of selling the car so, no interior.

It also didn't have an exhaust when I sold it so can't comment on that.
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:53 pm

Thats great...thanks..
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:03 pm

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pacerpete wrote:Anxiously waiting for bodge / rust pics ! :D[/quote

Hi Pete...apparently its a good un'?...

For 2k, I would be suprised if it was a 'good'un' but hopefully a couple of grand spent wisely will have it at least as good as the usual 4k poobox :)

Anxiously waiting for rust and bodge pics ! :D
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pacerpete wrote:Anxiously waiting for bodge / rust pics ! :D[/quote

Hi Pete...apparently its a good un'?...

For 2k, I would be suprised if it was a 'good'un' but hopefully a couple of grand spent wisely will have it at least as good as the usual 4k poobox :)

Anxiously waiting for rust and bodge pics ! :D
Don't hold your breath Pete, I know this car intimately and spent a bag and a half on fixing rusty bits when I got it. Been stored indoors ever since work was done.
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pacerpete wrote:Anxiously waiting for bodge / rust pics ! :D
Hi Pete...apparently its a good un'?...

For 2k, I would be suprised if it was a 'good'un' but hopefully a couple of grand spent wisely will have it at least as good as the usual 4k poobox :)

Anxiously waiting for rust and bodge pics ! :D
Right, let me pick your brains Pete...how many genuine Sports were ever produced?......how many are estimated to remain?....if £4k is still a 'poo box', then what buys a 'minter'?....and what buys 'concourse'?......I see plenty of cars at £4/£5k..claimed to be 'mint' etc....
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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:17 pm

Topblag wrote: I know this car intimately
Better check the exhaust for stains, 979. Or is that why it's not included in the sale?

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Post Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:19 pm

Nowadays 6-8K will get you something nice I would imagine 5 if you were very lucky, or even cheaper if you are super lucky like the guy on here with the very low milage sport.

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Topblag wrote: I know this car intimately
Better check the exhaust for stains, 979. Or is that why it's not included in the sale?

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Hi Ben..do you mean check the exhaust is not rusty?...its not...its in very good nick....and I got it included in the deal..