Buying a car with no log book

[polsta]

going to look at an e30 tomorow, seller is a trader at a garage/dealer of some sort, says he got it 2 weeks ago , put a year mot on it, so has no V5 as hes still waiting for it in post, but will give a reciept etc and forward it on when recieved

is it safe to buy like that ? what sort of measures should be taken ?

also it has no tax, i presume i wouldnt be able to tax the car ? (or can you do that with the v5 slip he should have with it from when he bought it ?)

although as hes a trader i presume he will be able to tax it ? if i buy it

[Kos]

As long as he has the new keepers supplement he should be able to tax it

Strange that he didn't fill in the traders section and send that off when he bought it and retained the log book

[polsta]

he said he has the green slip with it so i can use that to tax it online , is that right ? could i take that slip and the post office and tax it ? then again i wouldnt have insurance docs, do you need them to tax it online ? (ive never taxed a car online how does that work)

he also says it has no history, and is waiting for the prev owner to send it , which may result in no history ever making it to me if i buy it, but im not overly fussed as its a cheap daily, obviously its all dependant on the shell condition and rust situation but only going on the off chance its a bargain and not far away

[Kos]

If you are insured and it's on the MIB database then taxing it online will not be a problem

[polsta]

ok cool, so i can buy it, bring it home, ring up insurance then tax online, sounds easy enough , how long would it take for thr MIB database to be updated after getting insured ?

im going soon as im up and ready, potentialy could have me a new daily parked outside tomorrow , although it may turn out to be a dog

[BATTS91]

Took about 4 days for a vehicle of mine to get onto the MIB site btw , most companys offer to email a copy and some only do it by email . post office should accept and have with mine , just dont tell them just incase

[Kos]

Depending who you insure with it can take a few days but some will also email you the policy and certificate which you can print and take the to the post office along with the MOT and v5 supplement

[Mo13]

You cannot tax it online without the v5 I remember trying to do this on the mrs golf and the insurance document was going to come through in 3-5 working days and due to their company policy they couldn't email or fax anything through! So I ended up taking the mot cert new owners slip and the insurance cert of my friends recovery company to the post office and got it done straight away.

[Mo13]

Depending who you insure with it can take a few days but some will also email you the policy which you can print and the to the post office along with the MOT and v5 supplement

It cannot be the receipt of payment has to be the insurance certificate.

[Kos]

You cannot tax it online without the v5 I remember trying to do this on the mrs golf and the insurance document was going to come through in 3-5 working days and due to their company policy they couldn't email or fax anything through! So I ended up taking the mot cert new owners slip and the insurance cert of my friends recovery company to the post office and got it done straight away.

Yes you can, I've done it.

How you you managed to insure a car with a mates policy is a bit strange unless you put the new owners supplement (the temporary log book as such) in you mates company name

Depending who you insure with it can take a few days but some will also email you the policy which you can print and the to the post office along with the MOT and v5 supplement

It cannot be the receipt of payment has to be the insurance certificate.

Sorry for not making it clear but yes it has to be the policy certificate. AXA / Norwich union and the other big insurers do this. Everything is online and you can print it and its accepted at the post office

[snakebrain]

He said policy, not receipt. I'm fairly sure when they email you the policy it would count as contract made as well as any certificate.

[polsta]

Guys how would it effect it, if the supplement has got his name on it ? Not sure if he would of filled it in or it's blank, bit if its his name on the slip , then my name on the insurance cert etc , would they do it ? Although sometimes then I've gone post office to tax they have barley looked at it all properly

[BATTS91]

I dont think they should do as its the New Keeper Suppliment , but id try it anyway . Explain you were unsure on filling it out and the seller did it all and gave you that and said you can use it to tax . May get a sympathetic person on your story and turn a blind eye

[jimbom30cab]

Got a link to the car matey ?

[Chris_B86]

If you tax it online, the disc will go to the previous owner as the details won't have changed on the DVLA database yet

[Mo13]

How you you managed to insure a car with a mates policy is a bit strange unless you put the new owners supplement (the temporary log book as such) in you mates company name

Just added his company name in brackets after the name on the new owners slip as I was going to get a new c5 anyway and won't need the slip anymore.

Think it would be easier just to get the dealer to buy it for you. And remember to get a receipt on headed paper from the dealer.

[Brianmoooore]

If you tax it online, the disc will go to the previous owner as the details won't have changed on the DVLA database yet

It's all a matter of timing. If the old V5 hasn't yet been 'processed' at the DVLA, then the number on the green slip will work (if the full number is on there - sometimes has a digit at one end missing), but if the new V5C has been authorised, the old number will no longer work online.
Regarding insurance, when you tax online, the car just has to be on the MID. Doesn't matter, for this purpose, if it's your insurance, the previous owner's (which he hasn't cancelled), or the seller's traders' insurance.

[Kedge]

Am I right in thinking that when you tax online you still can't legally drive the car until you have the tax disc to display?

[Chris_B86]

Am I right in thinking that when you tax online you still can't legally drive the car until you have the tax disc to display?

You can print off a confirmation email, and as long as you carry that around with you it's fine, you have 7 days grace

[matt86]

If you tax it online, the disc will go to the previous owner as the details won't have changed on the DVLA database yet

+1, you will need the document number off reg docs to tax it online, your best bet is to try it at the post office, as your name will be on the new keeper supplement, so you'll be fine, whereas if you do it online, it will probably go to the previous owner.

what's the car out of interest a m40 2 door?

[gooner1]

ok cool, so i can buy it, bring it home, ring up insurance then tax online,

No, you can buy it, ring up insurance . tax online. then bring
it home.

Don,t forget, even if you trailer it back home to private land, it will
need to be Sorned and insured, I think.

[Chris_B86]

ok cool, so i can buy it, bring it home, ring up insurance then tax online,

No, you can buy it, ring up insurance . tax online. then bring
it home.

Don,t forget, even if you trailer it back home to private land, it will
need to be Sorned and insured, I think.

It can be sorned and uninsured if on private land, the new rules are it can't have a valid tax disc if there is no insurance in place, so if you cancel insurance on a car, you have to send the tax disc back

[Kedge]

Am I right in thinking that when you tax online you still can't legally drive the car until you have the tax disc to display?

You can print off a confirmation email, and as long as you carry that around with you it's fine, you have 7 days grace

Cool, that's good to know.

ok cool, so i can buy it, bring it home, ring up insurance then tax online,

No, you can buy it, ring up insurance . tax online. then bring
it home.

Don,t forget, even if you trailer it back home to private land, it will
need to be Sorned and insured, I think.

Doesn't need to be insured when on SORN thankfully, it only needs to be insured when not on SORN.

[gooner1]

Apology's, thought the law had changed regarding Sorn and Insurance.

[Brianmoooore]

You can print off a confirmation email, and as long as you carry that around with you it's fine, you have 7 days grace

Strictly speaking this is incorrect. The law requires you to display a current tax disc in the lower left portion of the windscreen when using a car on the public highway at all times, and hasn't been updated to take modern technology into account.
In most cases your confirmation email will be accepted, but if you are not displaying the disc, the crime has been committed.

[Kedge]

You can print off a confirmation email, and as long as you carry that around with you it's fine, you have 7 days grace

Strictly speaking this is incorrect. The law requires you to display a current tax disc in the lower left portion of the windscreen when using a car on the public highway at all times, and hasn't been updated to take modern technology into account.
In most cases your confirmation email will be accepted, but if you are not displaying the disc, the crime has been committed.

Ahhhhhh, so if you're unlucky even to get pulled by the police in this situation it's certainly a case of needing to be as polite and apologetic to avoid them issuing a penalty notice if they so desired.

[Chris_B86]

You can print off a confirmation email, and as long as you carry that around with you it's fine, you have 7 days grace

Strictly speaking this is incorrect. The law requires you to display a current tax disc in the lower left portion of the windscreen when using a car on the public highway at all times, and hasn't been updated to take modern technology into account.
In most cases your confirmation email will be accepted, but if you are not displaying the disc, the crime has been committed.

I thought it had been updated to be honest. I've been questioned regards to my tax disc in the past and the email has satisfied the officer, once they have done a DVLA check to confirm it isn't a spoof email and the vehicle is actually taxed

[pacerpete]

Stop fooooking about and buy the turd. The sooner you get it, the sooner we can have some rust pics !

[jimbom30cab]

Here here, just buy the flipping thing, need more rust on here

[polsta]

im leaving in half an hour, ive only seen 2 pics it looks alright in, so no idea of the rust or real condition, but he says its solid as they all do

[pacerpete]

im leaving in half an hour, ive only seen 2 pics it looks alright in, so no idea of the rust or real condition, but he says its solid as they all do

Hurry on, we are anxiously waiting for aerial orifice coordinates !

[polsta]

shes a bronzit with steelies and hub caps , auto ! its one of them cars thats either going to be a bargain and solid with loads of original bits, or a total dog i think

pete are there any tests to do on an auto and things to look out for ?

[pacerpete]

shes a bronzit with steelies and hub caps , auto ! its one of them cars thats either going to be a bargain and solid with loads of original bits, or a total dog i think

pete are there any tests to do on an auto and things to look out for ?

Dip the oil when it is running after you have been for a drive, hopefully it will be on the marks, red and not smell burn't. The gear changes shpuld be smooth but firm with no jolts or slurring between gears. What is the turd ?

On a positive note, when crossing the bridge, an auto box weighs more than a manual !

[matt86]

shes a bronzit with steelies and hub caps , auto ! its one of them cars thats either going to be a bargain and solid with loads of original bits, or a total dog i think

pete are there any tests to do on an auto and things to look out for ?

good luck mate,is it a 1.8?

I'm sure you know this but check battery tray, inner arches, usual mechanical bits, clutch, gunk on oil, leave it idling 15 munutesand check for overheating. Also check carpet in car and boot for water leaks

[polsta]

love it lads, thansk for the info, i think ive ever driven an auto e30 once, adits £150 touring special ! shell body wise im all good, its just auto/mechanical bits im not 100% on, but a years ticket if its nice and drives nice, have no idea if theres any suprise morself spec on there but im presuming not

just off now ,its only 15 mins away so il report back soon, hopefully happy with a new turd, i think its one of those ones you know as you lay eyes on it, youl either want to stop or just keep on driving