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pukar
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:26 am
hi,
is there a demand for these? i already do alpina ones, but someone has asked for hartge ones.....anyone have any pics? were they different in different models? all help appreciated! (i promise i won't sell atta any

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i am also looking to do ac schnitzer ones as well...
cheers guys!
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:28 am
mr topless will have a pic

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Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:30 am
"atul callling topless......come in topless......"

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Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:20 pm
hmmm....i was not planning on making the whole speedo face, but for 980 euros, maybe i should!!
the obvious differences are that that one is in KM and yours in miles, but your numbers seem to be smaller at the top than the sides and his doesn't. also the size of the hartge logo is diffferent.
i'm wondering if his is genuine as the edges where the odometer reading shows seem to be rolled/curved???
i was planning to make just the hartge logo as a transfer to go on a regular clock, but it seems that it will not work due to the different speed limit required and the fact that there is text on the non harge one in the way.
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pukar
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Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:38 pm
hi mate!
about those dials...
i think i should be able to produce a plastic label that would sit on top of an original face...this would be a seamless solution and can be custmised to miles/KM or whatever......might even be a useful thing for those with engine conversions?
only 2 issues i can think of
1) cutting the holes out
2) matching the black colour (sounds wierd, but in printing black isn't always black)
if you have (or anyone has?!?) an old speedo face knocking around that they dont want, perhaps they can send it to me in the interests of science!

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Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:57 pm
pukar wrote:hi mate!
about those dials...
i think i should be able to produce a plastic label that would sit on top of an original face...this would be a seamless solution and can be custmised to miles/KM or whatever......might even be a useful thing for those with engine conversions?
only 2 issues i can think of
1) cutting the holes out
2) matching the black colour (sounds wierd, but in printing black isn't always black)
if you have (or anyone has?!?) an old speedo face knocking around that they dont want, perhaps they can send it to me in the interests of science!

if you were to go down that route i take it they would fit in the same manner as the old lockwood white dials? there could be a few folk out there interested in the hartge, alpina, ac dials

if it's got t*ts or wheels it's bound to be trouble...............prove me wrong.
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Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:14 pm
that's what i reckon....i just need some good pics of originals, preferable as square in as possible to replicate..
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Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:22 pm
keep us updated, id be interested in some
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SilverShadow
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:27 am
I'd be interested in these!
If your able to produce just the Hartge logo above the "mph electronic" I would be just as happy!
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:01 pm
i have done some acschnitzer ones that work nicely on a normal speedo....it just covers the KPH. it is actually a small B&W sticker....
i meant to work on hartge ones, but for some reason didn't get there. again, i think a B&W stickers is best. i think e30topless actually sent me the mph dial you see in my pic

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SilverShadow
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Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:04 am
Pukar when can you get these ready!!

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Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:11 pm
Soon! A couple of weeks... watch this space. I will update here!
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Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:16 am
sorry about the crappy phone pic....
i have designed it and prined on my home computer just to get an idea of size etc. when printed by my printers, the quality will be excellent with sharp, straight lines etc like the ACS one
there does need to be a small margin of black around the sticker as a "bleed", but it is the same with the ACS one and when installed will be barely noticeable.
so who wants one?
£4 each
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Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:11 pm
pukar wrote:
there does need to be a small margin of black around the sticker as a "bleed", but it is the same with the ACS one and when installed will be barely noticeable.
Hi Pukar!
That is some good work there!
I have a question regarding the "bleed" to make it less noticeable are you able to use material which is less thick?
Let me know your thoughts....
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Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:50 pm
the vinyl is already thinner than paper so not really. the ones i have for the alpina logo are actually a transfer like "lettraset" which is super thin. the problem with the hartge logo is that is has to cover the KPH bit so cannot do a transfer with the white bits only, we need to have the black there.
rememebr that the one i have shown looks pants becuase it is printed on my brother inkjet printer onto paper. the actual decal with be printed using the best quality solvent inks on a machine costing approx £50k!! the black will be much blacker and a good match to the clock face (take a look at the black bits on the ACS one) the one i showed was just there for e to get the size right.
hope that helps

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Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:18 am
replied! first set on it's way

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Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:29 am
e30topless wrote:I would be interested in few Atul
Are these actual Hartge dials? that give a correct reading all the way to 180?
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Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:33 am
No. .. just the hartge logo at present. ... but if someone has an actual hartge one they can scan in to a pc then I can reproduce it. Or second best would be to go by the photo. .. is there a demand for this?
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Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:56 pm
pukar wrote: is there a demand for this?
Probably not, but for me there is

the only thing with just getting a "dial face" that reads to 180, is the actual speedo/speed would be off.
thats why i was asking if the 180 dial, in Steve's picture was part of an actual correct reading speedo cluster

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Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:22 pm
craigieeb wrote:pukar wrote: is there a demand for this?
Probably not, but for me there is

the only thing with just getting a "dial face" that reads to 180, is the actual speedo/speed would be off.
thats why i was asking if the 180 dial, in Steve's picture was part of an actual correct reading speedo cluster

Mine was out by 5mph at 180 on the calibrator.
These harge MPH speedos have a custom modification to the PCB which involves soldering a chip and dialing in the correct compensation factor. Every speedo that was converted was recallibrated perfectly to have the smallest run out error.
That's what makes them so special, only the ten genuine a ones actually show the correct speed!
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:21 pm
I have two Hartge clusters for my Hartge projects. Atul, I need to order some AC Schnitzer decals from you.

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Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:30 pm
hi raul my man, how are you keeping? i got your order and will ship them out asap.
cheers mate!

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Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:00 pm
Demlotcrew wrote:
Mine was out by 5mph at 180 on the calibrator.
These harge MPH speedos have a custom modification to the PCB which involves soldering a chip and dialing in the correct compensation factor. Every speedo that was converted was recallibrated perfectly to have the smallest run out error.
That's what makes them so special, only the ten genuine a ones actually show the correct speed!
Andrew
Loosely translated does that mean .....
i dont have a hope in hell of finding a 180mph cluster,
unless Steve is selling one
guaranteed he has about 5 of them, tucked away
Sorry for the hijack Atul

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Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:49 pm
craigieeb wrote:
Loosely translated does that mean .....
i dont have a hope in hell of finding a 180mph cluster,
unless Steve is selling one
guaranteed he has about 5 of them, tucked away
Sorry for the hijack Atul

Well, I could be tempted to part with mines ;)
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Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:17 pm
What would be the figure that would tempt you?
I have a spare child that could do with being re-homed

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Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:58 pm
Demlotcrew wrote:
Andrew
That's a cool pic!

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Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:27 pm
craigieeb wrote:What would be the figure that would tempt you?
I have a spare child that could do with being re-homed

I would be looking for offers around the £1000 mark, this is how much an AIM Digital dash is and thats the only part to tempt me to sell this.
Dreamer maybe, but its 100% Authentic, Immaculate and set in an M3 cluster.
Andrew
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Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:33 pm
craigieeb wrote:What would be the figure that would tempt you?
I have a spare child that could do with being re-homed

Any pics ? Gert made me ask , the sick fooooker !

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Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:09 pm
My boy could be a bit young for that Gert,
but might just be about borderline for you pete

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Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:43 pm
Demlotcrew wrote:craigieeb wrote:What would be the figure that would tempt you?
I have a spare child that could do with being re-homed

I would be looking for offers around the £1000 mark, this is how much an AIM Digital dash is and thats the only part to tempt me to sell this.
Dreamer maybe, but its 100% Authentic, Immaculate and set in an M3 cluster.
Andrew
Don't know if your a dreamer or not Andrew, as I dont really know the value of these,
but I do know at that price, i'll just stick to the gps on my phone for the time being
Cheers for the temptation tho
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Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:46 pm
No worries at all. At £1000 its not that far off what the Germans are asking for their KPH versions, and this is set in an M3 cluster.
Guess I'll need to keep dreaming and polishing it.............
Andrew
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Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:41 am
Demlotcrew wrote:
Mine was out by 5mph at 180 on the calibrator.
These harge MPH speedos have a custom modification to the PCB which involves soldering a chip and dialing in the correct compensation factor. Every speedo that was converted was recallibrated perfectly to have the smallest run out error.
That's what makes them so special, only the ten genuine a ones actually show the correct speed!
Andrew
Andrew, easy to identify or not?
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Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:50 am
Hi Simon,
Yes you can compare the modifications with a stock unit.
Andrew