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Cab is heavier than the saloon due to the extra stiffening in the bodyshell to make up for the fact it has no roof. Thats possibly why the tyres are rubbing, could also simply be cuz the suspension kits were different and the cab is sitting lower.

325i 3door/4door 1180/1200kg
325i touring 1270kg
325i cab 1310kg
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If the sport was a tech 1 there would have been an extra 45mm clearance to the arch simply because of the shape, early cars have bigger rear arches.

Good project BTW, not sure I'd have chosen a cab though :cool:
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Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:16 pm

why not a cab buddy ? so my cab weighs 1300kg ? thats not that heavy, sierra cossies weigh about 1400kg dont they ? but you could correct me if im wrong.
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Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:17 pm

oh yeah does anyone know of anywhere near manchester to get my archs rolled ?
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hey there mate, what reg was your cossie?? i had a 3oobhp cossie, and had to get rid of it cause of the missus at the time... And shit do i miss it! Got to say,, christ mine was fast, Just curious, mine was a moonstone blue one too, with leather interior and original lattice wheels
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:53 am

im sure cabs are more than 1300 im sure mine says 16** something on the sus turret :mad:
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i cant believe a fully equipped touring only weights 1270kg, i had a stipped out celica with only 2 seats ,no carpets,stereo or interior trim and i had it weighed at 1226kg!!!!
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My old tech 1 sport weiged in at a staggering 1460Kg on the weigh bridge !

thats with a full tank and no passengers mind :mad:
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Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:45 pm

Eddiejt2 wrote:I do know of an E30 with a YB engine. It was featured in Revs (when it was a decent mag) YEARS ago. A white one IIRC, think it may have had M3 arches too, or may have originally been an M3.

So it can, and has been done.
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Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:47 pm

snap, i have one as well winkeye
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Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:49 pm

Great car + a great engine.


Better still would be an LS2 general motors lump though, about the same wieght as the YB too!
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anyone any idea how markybumpits getting on with his conversion? not heard from him for a while.
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ant wrote:My old tech 1 sport weiged in at a staggering 1460Kg on the weigh bridge !

thats with a full tank and no passengers mind :mad:
I weiged my M30 Touring at 1320 kgs a few weeks back, i did have 20kgs of junk and my amp in though.

No one in the car, the tank was between 3/4's and full.

325 Touring is supossed to be 1270kgs so i've gained 30 odd kgs from putting the M30 in.
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ant wrote:My old tech 1 sport weiged in at a staggering 1460Kg on the weigh bridge !

thats with a full tank and no passengers mind :mad:
I weiged my M30 Touring at 1320 kgs a few weeks back, i did have 20kgs of junk and my amp in though.

No one in the car, the tank was between 3/4's and full.

325 Touring is supossed to be 1270kgs so i've gained 30 odd kgs from putting the M30 in.
that's not bad! i thought the M30 would add more than that...
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Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:19 am

I`m reading this with tears in my eyes..... you can not put a fucking ford engine in a bavarian car,that is criminal in my eyes.... :cry:

I think it whold be cheaper to twin turbo the beatufil M20 lump,than to put a goddamn ford lump(regardles of how many ponnies it has...)....it`s just not write.... 8O

but than again....that just my opinion... :wink:
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Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:51 am

cheaper? nah.

ford engine is a more reliable option.

on standard internals its good for silly power.
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Eddy wrote:I`m reading this with tears in my eyes..... you can not put a fucking ford engine in a bavarian car,that is criminal in my eyes.... :cry:

I think it whold be cheaper to twin turbo the beatufil M20 lump,than to put a goddamn ford lump(regardles of how many ponnies it has...)....it`s just not write.... 8O

but than again....that just my opinion... :wink:


A ride in the white E30 featured in the REVS would have certainly changed your opinion. The car was 400bhp+ IIRC, could keep up with most supercars under the sun and handled like it was on rails, something a twin/single turbo m20 based car would struggle with. :roll:
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Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:26 am

That might be all true,but one of the charms that E30 has is in its light rear end,and the M50 engined E30 is allmoast ideal for high speed drifts and with a lot of control in hands of the driver...

however being a drift nut, I usually don`t search for the fastest way thrue a corner,but I search for balance in a high angle and speed drifting,+ I search for a responsive and torqey engine....and I`m a N/A nutter....no turbo for me... :D
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Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:29 am

BMW never intended (Still to this day) to mass produce a turbochagred petrol engine. I must admit, when i first saw the Touing with the YB in it, i thought "You Twat", But thinking about it, Why not.

Good chassis design with a proven engine.........

And it makes the purfect sleeper........ winkeye
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Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:56 am

Eddy wrote:I`m reading this with tears in my eyes..... you can not put a fucking ford engine in a bavarian car,that is criminal in my eyes.... :cry:

I think it whold be cheaper to twin turbo the beatufil M20 lump,than to put a goddamn ford lump(regardles of how many ponnies it has...)....it`s just not write.... 8O

but than again....that just my opinion... :wink:

it's just not right, just helping with your English.

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Eddy wrote:I`m reading this with tears in my eyes..... you can not put a fucking ford engine in a bavarian car,that is criminal in my eyes.... :cry:

I think it whold be cheaper to twin turbo the beatufil M20 lump,than to put a goddamn ford lump(regardles of how many ponnies it has...)....it`s just not write.... 8O

but than again....that just my opinion... :wink:
Lighten up mate, its just an old car, who cares what make the negine is when its better than the one in there?
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chip-3door wrote:
Eddy wrote:I`m reading this with tears in my eyes..... you can not put a fucking ford engine in a bavarian car,that is criminal in my eyes.... :cry:

I think it whold be cheaper to twin turbo the beatufil M20 lump,than to put a goddamn ford lump(regardles of how many ponnies it has...)....it`s just not write.... 8O

but than again....that just my opinion... :wink:
Lighten up mate, its just an old car, who cares what make the negine is when its better than the one in there?
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cheaper? nah.

ford engine is a more reliable option.

on standard internals its good for silly power
The M20 engine is absolutely brilliant when turbocharged and a well built motor with a big turbo will have far more power output than any YB Cosworth engine ever could.
I have a friend in the states who drag races his M20 engined E30 drag car and his current best is 9.91 seconds at 153 mph with a 1.48 second 60 foot time....show me a Sierra or Excort Cosworth engined car that has better??!!

In fact naturally aspirated the M20 has a low compression ration so with standard internals 500 hp is possible.... :twisted:
It is sacrilage to swap one fopr
I know this because I have built several BMW turbo motors and am currently building an E36 street class drag car FAST 1/4 mile times (read sub 10 seconds hopefully) with a Built S50 B30 BMW M3 Turbo motor in :wink:
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And1c wrote:
cheaper? nah.

ford engine is a more reliable option.

on standard internals its good for silly power
The M20 engine is absolutely brilliant when turbocharged and a well built motor with a big turbo will have far more power output than any YB Cosworth engine ever could.
I have a friend in the states who drag races his M20 engined E30 drag car and his current best is 9.91 seconds at 153 mph with a 1.48 second 60 foot time....show me a Sierra or Excort Cosworth engined car that has better??!!

In fact naturally aspirated the M20 has a low compression ration so with standard internals 500 hp is possible.... :twisted:
It is sacrilage to swap one fopr
I know this because I have built several BMW turbo motors and am currently building an E36 street class drag car FAST 1/4 mile times (read sub 10 seconds hopefully) with a Built S50 B30 BMW M3 Turbo motor in :wink:
Show you one?

Not a problem :D

Friend of mine helps with this YB powered ford escort mk2, it runs 7s all day every day :D

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And a good friend of mine currently has 750bhp off gas from his daily driven sierra cosworth, ive just specced a new nitrous system for it to use on top of that which should deliver 250bhp more when on gas.
Currently it runs 100bhp of nitrous and can do 0-200mph 2 seconds quicker than a mclaren F1


I agree that you can make an awesome engine from the BMW starting blocks, but the advantage with the cossie engine (for people in the uk) is that a couple of grand buys you a complete one with turbo and everything that will drop into your E30, lose you some weight and DOUBLE the power output to 330bhp (whats known as "stage3" in cossie terms)
Im not saying that its the best engien in the world, im saying though its VERy hard to beat for CHEAP power.
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Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:05 pm

its cheap as chips to tune up as well, standard is 204 bhp, another Ԛ£200 takes you up to 270 bhp and another Ԛ£500 takes you up to 330 bhp, im aiming to take mine up to around the 370bhp mark and most of the donkey work has been done already winkeye
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Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:02 pm

Thats a mk1 escort isn't it Mr custard?

Gotta agree the YB is a good lump but once you've pissed about changing all the e30 engine mounts blah blah blah wouldn't it be better to turbo the 325 lump that fits in their nicely and you still get the sound or a 6 pot but i find with a helmet on i can hardly hear it :cry: . Or am i just a biased tosser?
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Thaks steve,my writing ain`t that good but I speak fluently :)
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Eddy wrote:Thaks steve,my writing ain`t that good but I speak fluently :)
No problems, I like to help people! I used to talk to a spainish person that was good at writing English! but could hardly talk English.
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the noise from a cossie is hard to beat and i think having an engine that is designed to be turbod is going to prove more reliable than an n/a engine with a turbo bolted on...but maybe im biased too winkeye
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And1c wrote:
cheaper? nah.

ford engine is a more reliable option.

on standard internals its good for silly power
The M20 engine is absolutely brilliant when turbocharged and a well built motor with a big turbo will have far more power output than any YB Cosworth engine ever could.
I have a friend in the states who drag races his M20 engined E30 drag car and his current best is 9.91 seconds at 153 mph with a 1.48 second 60 foot time....show me a Sierra or Excort Cosworth engined car that has better??!!

In fact naturally aspirated the M20 has a low compression ration so with standard internals 500 hp is possible.... :twisted:
It is sacrilage to swap one fopr
I know this because I have built several BMW turbo motors and am currently building an E36 street class drag car FAST 1/4 mile times (read sub 10 seconds hopefully) with a Built S50 B30 BMW M3 Turbo motor in :wink:
my friend, i suggest you start finding out about cosworth engines top tuners are kicking out 700bhp ones

m20 cant handle 500bhp and to tune it to that would cost way more than the good old cosworth
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:55 pm

im with m-dtech on this one, ex cossie owner (twice) with very mildly tuned 2wd saph pushing out 380bhp. Martin Hadland of Reyland's escos was clocked at 197mph and now a couple of cossies have broke the 200 barrier. I love my bmw 325i cab but a cossies a cossie. 20 yrs old and can still mix it with todays offerings for next to nothing
my 1st saph was stg1 tuned to 280bhp and mates m3 evo struggled to keep up
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:28 pm

I think a few of you need to pick up a copy of this months PBMW. There is a 325i touring in there with a turbo strapped on pushing 500+

At the end of the day though, for the ease of it I would personally go out and buy a 2wd saph cossie. One day i will and will not look back
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:07 pm

IMHO that's an interesting project. I've heard Reyland swapped a Cosworth lump into an E36, the car is said to have been featured in Redline magazine. Maybe you could try and find an old copy of the magazine on Ebay ?

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