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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:00 am

stew72 wrote:Don't listen to the doom mongers, I've had twin webers on 3 cars, never had any reliability problems on any of them. Twin factory downdraughts on a 205xs, never had to touch them in 38k miles of use and twin 40 dcoes on a pinto engined westfield (sub 20 mpg thirst, but thats what happens when you squeeze as much as you can out of one of these lumps) and twin 40's also on a van engined 924 with a home brew manifold, economy wasn't much worse than my other standard one and performance seemed better. This one did need a tune before every MOT, but thats probably more to do with them still being jetted for the Lotus they came off.

The issue is not that the car is a bodged up cantankerous undriveable thirsty sack of sh1t that does not start on a cold morning. I hope not anyway :eek:

The issue is that the OP has , by his own admission, ZERO mechanical skillz. Do you still think this car is suitable for him ?
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:28 am

Aye there's plenty of mechanics around!
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:37 am

318isPMK wrote:Aye there's plenty of mechanics around!

Most mechanics do not know what a carburettor is , what hope will they have trying to figure out what to do with two of them from a 70s Alfa/Fiat/Wartburg that have been retrofitted to a car that never had them ? :(
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:18 pm

Paul as mentioned above, give these guys a bell. There work is excellent:

http://www.seditascars.co.uk/Weber_Carb ... tland.html
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:51 pm

pacerpete wrote:
The issue is not that the car is a bodged up cantankerous undriveable thirsty sack of sh1t that does not start on a cold morning. I hope not anyway :eek:

The issue is that the OP has , by his own admission, ZERO mechanical skillz. Do you still think this car is suitable for him ?
To be honest the carb set up in question isn't overly complicated, so i guess it depends more on how hands on the OP wants to get rather than if they are capable.
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:58 pm

If in any doubt then why not have a look on the webcon site?
i'm sure there'll be a set up guide somewhere on there?

just a thought.
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:01 pm

I think what pete is alluding to is, that Webbers and similar setups take some fettling once in a while and a little bit of basic mechanical knowledge(iv had a few different setups normally on pinto engines though).

So Unless you want to be constantly shelling out for a mechanics time to do the work it would be wise to at least get a basic knowledge of carbs.
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:08 pm

There's a guide to tuning twin DCOEs here:

http://sd2cx1.webring.org/l/rd?ring=the ... tune%2Ehtm

(see 'Adjusting Twin DCOEs').
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:17 pm

Speedtouch wrote:There's a guide to tuning twin DCOEs here:

http://sd2cx1.webring.org/l/rd?ring=the ... tune%2Ehtm

(see 'Adjusting Twin DCOEs').

The 'tuning' is the easy bit. The initial set up/ correct jetting/optimizing of ignition timing etc is the really time consuming bit that is very seldom done properly which is what gives these carbs a bad rep and often makes the car they are retrofitted to slower than stock.

The reality is, it is 2012 and carburettors suck, literally :(
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:22 pm

I am actually very pleased with the SU HIF 44 on my Minor Traveller - reliable, easy starting, good economy and throttle response, reasonable power.

I have a Weber 34ADF on a Fiat twin cam Minor (the original twin-choke carb for that engine), and it's been pretty tricky to set up right, so goodness only knows what twin DCOEs are like...
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Post Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:18 am

Rtaylor2208 wrote:Welcome back to the e30 fold Paul. That car looked to be a bit of a bargain. I would say find a good mechanic familiar with carb setups. I can recommend a garage down my way that specialise in rally cars and cars of the older variety.
Cheers Mate I'll run it past Boyd and take it from there. Its good to know there are places to go that come recommended
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Post Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:15 am

http://www.hypertechscotland.co.uk/ try this mob there used to tuning old school fords and know the Weber set ups very well. there based in Bonnybridge.
they set up my mates brothers MK2 escort and done a cracking job. also sign up to the rear wheel drive forum .. http://rwdclub.hyperboards.com/ they do regular rolling road days at hypertech
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:47 pm

pacerpete wrote:This will end badly , but on a positive note, at least it isn't 3 bags :)
LOL you cruel man :)
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:57 pm

Can I just say I sold it for 3.5k
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:02 pm

Who to ? Don't quite believe that if I'm honest but fair play if true
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:07 pm

Well without falling out about it I couldn't give two shirts if u believe me car went for 3.200 to a guy from lanark and the wheels went to euan from Renfrew. I've always been candid on here
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:48 pm

318isPMK wrote:Can I just say I sold it for 3.5k
Feck... was gonna offer you a px deal on the carbs with a bullet proof single weber set up.

Nice work dude.
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:49 pm

Nick45 wrote:
318isPMK wrote:Can I just say I sold it for 3.5k
Feck... was gonna offer you a px deal on the carbs with a bullet proof single weber set up.

Nice work dude.
He means his last fucked one!
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:51 pm

winkeye
In that case, up for a deal amigo?
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:04 pm

318isPMK wrote:Well without falling out about it I couldn't give two shirts if u believe me car went for 3.200 to a guy from lanark and the wheels went to euan from Renfrew. I've always been candid on here
fair play, well you did pay 3k for it and spent about 5k on it to make it drive :D
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:05 pm

Welcome back. you don't do it the easy way though!
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:09 pm

polsta wrote:
318isPMK wrote:Well without falling out about it I couldn't give two shirts if u believe me car went for 3.200 to a guy from lanark and the wheels went to euan from Renfrew. I've always been candid on here
fair play, well you did pay 3k for it and spent about 5k on it to make it drive :D
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:29 pm

when are you taking over the watch ACSPMK ?

i'd keep the wheels on the car they look good with the kit and it's all Genuine schnitzer and rare as f00k :D
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:05 pm

ross_jsy wrote:
polsta wrote:
318isPMK wrote:Well without falling out about it I couldn't give two shirts if u believe me car went for 3.200 to a guy from lanark and the wheels went to euan from Renfrew. I've always been candid on here
fair play, well you did pay 3k for it and spent about 5k on it to make it drive :D
Isn't your sport some fertaned up turd? winkeye
yeah shes a full on rot box clinging on for life with more fertan in it than my pants
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:09 pm

I'm not even sure how to respond, he's made it up here I'm going for a night out and will see it tomorrow if it's half as good as he's made it out to be I''ll have a cheap turd with a recent respray
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:32 pm

could be a bargain mate if its solid and a decent paint job and you can get it running right, you cant really go wrong
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:58 pm

It's all I'm hoping for I'm due a bit of luck!
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:09 pm

is it just me or has certain folk on here never got a good word to say about other folks cars.. oh yea its not there's and its not a genuine sport.....

get the twin carb's set up right you wont regret it.. Ive been in a few cars with this set up including a 2002 and they sound awesome and the throttle response is great..
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Post Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:55 pm

It's all I'm hoping for I'm due a bit of luck!
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Post Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:35 am

what's happened then ?
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Post Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:04 pm

wORLDS WORST HANGOVER!!!! WENT TO GET IT BUT I WAS STILL KINDA FOOKED SO DIDNT DO MUCH CHECKING.

eVERYTHING I DID LOOK AT WAS SOLID. BAT TRAY SCUTTLES REAR ARCHES SUNROOF. IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET IT INTO REVERSE BUT AT THE PRICE I PAID I THOUGHT MECHANICALS ARE OF SECONDARY CONCERN.

in my opinion it defo needs power steering!

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Post Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:09 pm

318isPMK wrote:IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET IT INTO REVERSE BUT AT THE PRICE I PAID I THOUGHT MECHANICALS ARE OF SECONDARY CONCERN.
This should be interesting.. :D
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Post Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:13 pm

A ken! but i could just have been the state I was in lol
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Post Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:27 pm

went out to start it up took 8-10 attempts and when it did start it sounded like a dying animal. needs to get the belts checked and it handed to boyd for a tinker and to seditas cars for the webber set up.

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Post Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:06 pm

From my experience with Webers on a Fiat twin-cam, check for an aftermarket fuel filter in the fuel line, as these can restrict the fuel flow leading to severe flat spots - the Webers have built in fuel filters so external ones aren't really needed.

Also, it may be worth opening up the carbs and using carb cleaner to clear out all the jet passages, as they tend to become gunged up on older carbs.

Best of luck with it...
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