BMW and PSA form hybrid alliance

[cee]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoe ... iance.html

Opinions?

[HairyScreech]

hardly surprising considering the origins of the mini engine.

[B7]

Can't see it lasting. How long did BMW hold onto Rover before they realised it was a no hope piece of shit?

[town325i]

Can't see it lasting. How long did BMW hold onto Rover before they realised it was a no hope piece of shit?

Imo BMW only bought that lot so it could find out how the running gear worked on the range rover so they could build there X5

[zaust]

Have a read up about bmw's 3.0 oil burner. That might supprise you. I have worked for PSA for year's now, And I have to say we supply at least one engine to almost every manafacture on the globe.

[town325i]

Have a read up about bmw's 3.0 oil burner. That might supprise you. I have worked for PSA for year's now, And I have to say we supply at least one engine to almost every manafacture on the globe.

The thing is though its cheaper for BMW to buy in an engine for the mini than it is to develope one to fit into it.

[zaust]

All about money saving, Use a proven eco engine share a little tech both ways and costs are cut. That's why there's no such thing as a bad car anymore. But on the other hand there are no real drivers car's anymore. Unless you a multi- millionaire.

[bss325i]

That's why there's no such thing as a bad car anymore.

I strongly dissagree with that!

The current Mini's engine (a peugeot based unit) is quite problematic with timing chain failiures, various oil leaks, ater pump and water pump friction wheels are just a few very common problems they suffer from.

I have even seen one with about 90k on it and the valve seat fell out and caused all sorts of damage.

Modern Renault products are just ablsolute rubbish and no doubt PSA shite is the same.

[pacerpete]

Can't see it lasting. How long did BMW hold onto Rover before they realised it was a no hope piece of shit?

Imo BMW only bought that lot so it could find out how the running gear worked on the range rover so they could build there X5

Surely it would have been easier to pick one up off the hard shoulder ? Slip the AA driver a few quid and drag the festering turd up to Bracknell and out with the prybars ,chisels and camera!

[DanThe]

You forgot gas axe and hammer there Pete, tools of the landrover trade

[B7]

That's why there's no such thing as a bad car anymore.

I strongly dissagree with that!

The current Mini's engine (a peugeot based unit) is quite problematic with timing chain failiures, various oil leaks, ater pump and water pump friction wheels are just a few very common problems they suffer from.

I have even seen one with about 90k on it and the valve seat fell out and caused all sorts of damage.

I wouldn't expect anything else from anything French

[town325i]

That's why there's no such thing as a bad car anymore.

I strongly dissagree with that!

The current Mini's engine (a peugeot based unit) is quite problematic with timing chain failiures, various oil leaks, ater pump and water pump friction wheels are just a few very common problems they suffer from.

I have even seen one with about 90k on it and the valve seat fell out and caused all sorts of damage.

Modern Renault products are just ablsolute rubbish and no doubt PSA shite is the same.

Barry you missed some thing the Zaust works for them and has to make them sound good day in day out and obviously is starting to belive it

[town325i]

Can't see it lasting. How long did BMW hold onto Rover before they realised it was a no hope piece of shit?

Imo BMW only bought that lot so it could find out how the running gear worked on the range rover so they could build there X5

Surely it would have been easier to pick one up off the hard shoulder ? Slip the AA driver a few quid and drag the festering turd up to Bracknell and out with the prybars ,chisels and camera!

Buying the company means that they then buy the rights to such thing to im guessing?

[DanThe]

What he meant to say was "there is no such thing as a good car anymore"

[DanThe]

I believe Zaust works in sales, which would explain his comments

[gooner1]

Modern Renault products are great, Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,
Modern Renault products are great, nope sorry Marc, it ain,t working for me.

[town325i]

Modern Renault products are great, Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,
Modern Renault products are great, nope sorry Marc, it ain,t working for me.

gooner say that one more time your heading for a slap

[zaust]

Ahh yeah the timming chain faliure, they seemed to cure it before it went to the ds3. What about the new eco 5 engine problem. Ha ha, Here's a leak for you then. The engine production has been haluted due to the Front crank pully shear's off it's retainer. Result, now I have cutomers who wnted there cars for christmas and new year but won't see them till gone march if all goes to plan...

End of the day I will not own a forged mini or a psa car ever again (had a bx and 205)

[town325i]

No but you will own a prehistoric boat anchor

[gooner1]

Modern Renault products are great, Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,
Modern Renault products are great, nope sorry Marc, it ain,t working for me.

gooner say that one more time your heading for a slap

Modern Renault products are great,

Slap me, slap me.

[sweep]

A renault in the car trade is equal to having a s.t.d..and megane window regs are bulit proof of course..

[DanThe]

Renault electrical faults, need I say more?

[town325i]

Modern Renault products are great, Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,Modern Renault products are great,
Modern Renault products are great, nope sorry Marc, it ain,t working for me.

gooner say that one more time your heading for a slap

Modern Renault products are great,

Slap me, slap me.

Bastard send me your address i will be there tomorrow afternoon i would come down now but im a bit worse for wear

[bss325i]

A renault in the car trade is equal to having a s.t.d..and megane window regs are bulit proof of course..

F*ck me, megane/senic window regs.

They were/are so bad they were almost a service item!

[town325i]

A renault in the car trade is equal to having a s.t.d..and megane window regs are bulit proof of course..

F*ck me, megane/senic window regs.

They were/are so bad they were almost a service item!

Window regs on most cars should be a service item now though 90% are shite

[DanThe]

Were you there during the clio sunroof rattle saga Barry?

[bss325i]

A renault in the car trade is equal to having a s.t.d..and megane window regs are bulit proof of course..

F*ck me, megane/senic window regs.

They were/are so bad they were almost a service item!

Window regs on most cars should be a service item now though 90% are shite

Not exactly common on BMW's other than E36's.

[bss325i]

Were you there during the clio sunroof rattle saga Barry?

Oh yes!

And the Clio bonnet catch saga!

[zaust]

No but you will own a prehistoric boat anchor

And loving the proven lump.

[cee]

Were you there during the clio sunroof rattle saga Barry?

Oh yes!

And the Clio bonnet catch saga!

Haha yeah this happened to my mate

[Andyboy]

Can't see it lasting. How long did BMW hold onto Rover before they realised it was a no hope piece of shit?

Yes, but Rover was a dead brand built in hopeless old factories. PSA are a massive and very successful manufacturer.

[B7]

Can't see it lasting. How long did BMW hold onto Rover before they realised it was a no hope piece of shit?

Yes, but Rover was a dead brand built in hopeless old factories. PSA are a massive and very successful manufacturer.

Andy, Renault, Citreon and Peugeot are all massive and successful in their own right. But i'd still never buy one of the french pieces of shit

[Simon13]

they're only huge because the french all buy their own stuff.

[zaust]

Yep, Psa citroen and pug are owned outright by bank psa france, Still with mr Pug running the show. But bank psa is french goverment owned, A nice chain to keep it all in house.


So in a round about way I work for the french govermen

[gareth]

Yep, Psa citroen and pug are owned outright by bank psa france, Still with mr Pug running the show. But bank psa is french goverment owned, A nice chain to keep it all in house.


So in a round about way I work for the french govermen

you going on strike then?

End of the day I will not own a forged mini or a psa car ever again (had a bx and 205)

No but you will own a prehistoric boat anchor

To be fair, if we're talking about solid engineering and reliability, the boat anchors due have the edge on french scrap. 20+ years on and it's going strong. whereas most later engines are probably made out of recycled french cars by now!