Do you have a facelift or pre-facelift E30?

[Zayyan]

Have always wondered what the ratio of pre-facelift to facelift cars is on here - I'd guess about 70% of people have facelift cars?

Also does anyone know the production figures of pre-facelift v. facelift cars?

[smithy318i]

ill get the ball roling with 4 x post facelifts (only voted once)

[Fushion_Julz]

I got both

A pre-facelift M3 and a facelift 325i SE 4dr

Didn't vote cos there is no option for that!

[eko]

Pre facelift
my votes in

[eun]

i got 2 facelifts and a badly accident damaged pre-facelift
325ise..................i voted facelift

the two facelifts are my black 316i which is currently
havin a 325i lump dropped in and a black 325ise!

i bought my first e30 in june (the 316i) as my first car
and since then ive already aquired three e30's gone thru
2 sets of leather etc

this games addictive

[Cotty]

1992 on a J plate, i would assume mine is facelift

[dazleeds]

i got 3facelifts and 1 pre facelift oh and another facelift coming very soon

320i se 89
320i se 90
323i 86
and yep another 320ise 90
and am soon to be searching for a touring tooo
oh and an e46 323i wrongness misses car

[Hyperion]

i got a Facelift. isnt she pretty

[Templ8e30]

I've got a facelift 320i se.

According to my unofficial guide there were 106049 pre-facelift e30's sold in the uk between 1982 and 1987 versus 25699 face lift models between 1987 and 1991. Obviously that doesn't include the touring and cab models sold until 1993.

Cheers,

Iain T

[wayneE30]

well i have 1 facelift 89 318i
and i guess i have half an 88 316

voted once

[Fushion_Julz]

So...Is a 1990 M3 pre-facelft or post?
Seeing as M3s never got the external facelift of other cars....However, they also (even very early ones) never had metal bumpers.

Is a 1989 Cabrio, pre or post?
Again, Cabrios got the cosmetic facelift later than saloons...However, the engines were upgraded in line with the rest of the range in mid 87...

Sure there must be more examples of anomalies like these....

[jmc330i]

1992 on a J plate, i would assume mine is facelift

Same as mine - facelift

[Hyperion]

the best way to check if your car is a facelift or not is the rear lights. The big ones are facelift and the smaller flat ones are pre facelift.

[320Touring]

Facelift here!!!!

although quite fancy an oldskool chromie m10 beastie

[Kedge]

Another facelift here.

Do want to have a pre-face-lift though, growing quit fond of chrome since having an E21!

[Zayyan]

So...Is a 1990 M3 pre-facelft or post?
Seeing as M3s never got the external facelift of other cars....However, they also (even very early ones) never had metal bumpers.

Is a 1989 Cabrio, pre or post?
Again, Cabrios got the cosmetic facelift later than saloons...However, the engines were upgraded in line with the rest of the range in mid 87...

Sure there must be more examples of anomalies like these....

Most would consider a facelifted M3 to have smileys?

I'll admit I didn't think too much about the anomalies, it was half 12 after all

Iain those figures are very surprising - I would've thought that it'd be about equal

[Fushion_Julz]

@ Zayann & Hyperion: M3s came with all sorts of different light fittings...Hellas were never "smiley" (only Bosch were) and they were fitted even as late as 1990...

The dash is subtly different in post facelift cars with the electric window cut-out being on the gear-stick surround part of the centre console rather than the earlier position.

The big difference in the 6 cylinder cars is the later Motronic system
In the 4cyl cars the M10 became M40 for Europe, at least...In US, they never got M40s, so US facelift cars also have M10 motors...

Confused, yet?

Of course, Cabrios got the Motronic or M40 update, together with the later interiors, but not the later type of rear lights until the very last months of production..
Tourings were only facelift....

[Giggz]

Voted once

Face-lift over here

[Simon]

@ Zayann & Hyperion: M3s came with all sorts of different light fittings...Hellas were never "smiley" (only Bosch were) and they were fitted even as late as 1990...

Smileys is just what he meant ellipsoid lamps, when the E30 underwent the facelift, the M3 had the facelift headlights, going from standard light unit to ellipsoid.

[RevBillyG]

Face-lift.

Just need a nip'n'tuck and some liposuction.

[BenE30]

91 - H reg Facelift 318 iS!!

[Dominitry]

Pre facelift, she doesnt need it though, stunning already

[dsio]

Pre-Facelift. I was in the market for a 4 cyl, was told to avoid M40s, and couldnt find any 318IS's that didnt have abusive / lead-footed owners. As a result, a Pre-facelift was the only thing I could get with an M10.

Didnt like it at first, but it grows on you, much like the E30 in general.

[Zayyan]

Pre-Facelift. I was in the market for a 4 cyl, was told to avoid M40s, and couldnt find any 318IS's that didnt have abusive / lead-footed owners. As a result, a Pre-facelift was the only thing I could get with an M10.

Didnt like it at first, but it grows on you, much like the E30 in general.

You could get an M10 316 facelift if you looked hard enough, in the UK anyway....

Why were you told to avoid the M40? They're not that bad

[koos]

facelift 320iSE H reg, looooooovvvvvvveeeeeeelllllllyyyyyyy

[dsio]

Pre-Facelift. I was in the market for a 4 cyl, was told to avoid M40s, and couldnt find any 318IS's that didnt have abusive / lead-footed owners. As a result, a Pre-facelift was the only thing I could get with an M10.

Didnt like it at first, but it grows on you, much like the E30 in general.

You could get an M10 316 facelift if you looked hard enough, in the UK anyway....

Why were you told to avoid the M40? They're not that bad

I had said that I wanted to do some work on it after I was comfortable with the car, but nobody in Australia does particularly special M40 engines, while there are 10-15 local BMW specialists that can do M10s that are drivable up to 180bhp, and then not so driveable upwards of 210bhp, or turbo setups going north of 300bhp.

As well as that, I was told that you can be far, far harsher and more abusive of an M10 and it will basically live forever, while the M40 is a good engine but needs to be treated with alot more respect.

The look of the pre-facelift didnt bother me too much, as I like the older style tail lights alot more than the newer ones, though I do like the plastic bumpers more.

If I could have anything, I would have Mtech 1 still.

[gareth]

i have a facelift 325i tourer and my wife has a facelift 320i 2 door.

i have owned a pre facelift 2 door 318i and a pre facelift 4 door 320i.

voted facelift due to current circumstances!