r-reg 318ti

[magpie]

will the engine in this be an m44?

[maxfield]

I'm fairly sure of it.

[RM2186]

Yep

[magpie]

ooh goodie

[RM2186]

I have a nice new M44 head gasket if you need one

[leeparkes]

Can the M44 be used in the e30? are they better than M42?

[magpie]

yes to the 1st

watch this space re 2nd question.

my final swap before 24v land

[RM2186]

Coo!

my final swap before 24v land

The E34 Touring with the uber smooth M50 2.5 in it passed its MOT so looks like its on the market as a car instead of me nicking its engine!

[magpie]

i'm looking forward to having a quiet engine.
the weather is all that holds me up as far as getting it in the e30.

should be looking at 24v in a yrs time .

[leeparkes]

What is the difference between m42 & m44?

Ive got an m44 in my compact ti, ive heard they are more torquey low down, something to do with the inlet mani

[DanThe]

M44 is a 1.9, the difference is like driving with a tail wind as opposed to driving into the wind

[leeparkes]

Ive just thought magpie, will you need the ews gubbins to make it run or will it run with the m42 management.

Probably have to swap the sump too

Dan, im just getting clued up when mine gets yanked out to see how much i can sell it off for, nobody wants an m44 on e36.coupe

[magpie]

M44 is a 1.9, the difference is like driving with a tail wind as opposed to driving into the wind

my fly kit and chip should help the hi- cup or fart along for another 12 mth £till i take the plunge into valveness bliss.
this way is the best short term option i have being happy for a while.in a small Bowl.

[magpie]

will the box from the ti be of any use?

[Andyboy]

1.)Can the M44 be used in the e30?

2.) Are they better than M42?

1.) Not without a lot of work.


2.) Not really. I've never driven a 1.9Ti Compact that goes any better than my 1.8. A bit more torque, no extra bhp but better economy - and that's marginal. The only real advantage is that they're newer.

[magpie]

the work involved for a straight swap into an e30is is only swap
sump and pick up pipe,p/s pump & bracket,loom,and the inlet manifold.

not hard if you have an is to start with.

[Andyboy]

What do you do about the cam sensor?

I'll answer that for you shall I?

The M44 is a lot more work that just a sump and a manifold. The M44 management with the AFM would be a lot of work to mate to an E30 car loom. Not impossible, but still not easy. If you can do that, you don't need to change the inlet manifold.

To use the existing M42 loom and ECU would be a serious amount of work. The M44 cam sensor will not work with the M42 loom. Fit an M42 sensor? You can't because the upper timing cover is different, the hole for the sensor is a different diamer and in the wrong place. The M44 cam sensor is all different too and is a trigger ring and not just a lug on the inlet cam sprocket. There are also two threaded holes in the head for the two coolant sensors, and only one of the M44.

I could go on, but at the end of the day fitting an M44 into an E30 is not easy and is basically a waste of time.

[320ise]

i am a big fan of the m42 and m44 engines read alot about them last year, the m42 is the "stronger engine" of the 2 as it has a forged bottom end where the m44 is not, bmw did improve the m42 with the m44 but pepole have said that if it had been forged like the m42 and had a less restrictive intake could have made more torque and better power up in the rev range. if i can find the sites i read the info on i will post the links.

[magpie]

What do you do about the cam sensor?

I'll answer that for you shall I?

The M44 is a lot more work that just a sump and a manifold. The M44 management with the AFM would be a lot of work to mate to an E30 car loom. Not impossible, but still not easy. If you can do that, you don't need to change the inlet manifold.

To use the existing M42 loom and ECU would be a serious amount of work. The M44 cam sensor will not work with the M42 loom. Fit an M42 sensor? You can't because the upper timing cover is different, the hole for the sensor is a different diamer and in the wrong place. The M44 cam sensor is all different too and is a trigger ring and not just a lug on the inlet cam sprocket. There are also two threaded holes in the head for the two coolant sensors, and only one of the M44.

I could go on, but at the end of the day fitting an M44 into an E30 is not easy and is basically a waste of time.

shxt Andy,i never thought it was this complicated.
many thanks for your valued input.
looks like i just avoided a headache.i was about to part with $ tomorrow as well

[magpie]

will the afm from this work on an e30 m40/42.

they look very similar??

[donnyboiler]

Can the M44 be used in the e30? are they better than M42?

Yes, they are better. They have all the same screamy top end, more torque, better mpg, and the same bulletproof reliability. I have been a big fan of the M42 for years and the M44 beats it in every respect.

Don

[donnyboiler]

i am a big fan of the m42 and m44 engines read alot about them last year, the m42 is the "stronger engine" of the 2 as it has a forged bottom end where the m44 is not, bmw did improve the m42 with the m44 but pepole have said that if it had been forged like the m42 and had a less restrictive intake could have made more torque and better power up in the rev range. if i can find the sites i read the info on i will post the links.

Sorry, didn't read this. The rest of what I said though...

[magpie]

Can the M44 be used in the e30? are they better than M42?

Yes, they are better. They have all the same screamy top end, more torque, better mpg, and the same bulletproof reliability. I have been a big fan of the M42 for years and the M44 beats it in every respect.

Don

so have you fitted on in an e30.

btw 24v ftw

[Hibsfan1875]

It can be done.

http://www.m42club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4645

[donnyboiler]

Can the M44 be used in the e30? are they better than M42?

Yes, they are better. They have all the same screamy top end, more torque, better mpg, and the same bulletproof reliability. I have been a big fan of the M42 for years and the M44 beats it in every respect.

Don

so have you fitted on in an e30.

btw 24v ftw

Sorry, no. I can't comment on how it would perform in an e30, just on my experience with both engines.

Apprently the later M42 (from the E36 318is) goes in without too much trouble. This engine also has a nice extra bit of torque and mpg.

I've never driven a 24v E30. I can imagine that would be the ultimate. I have a 328i E36 and love it. Light engine too. How is the traction?

Don

[magpie]

i'll let you know when it's fitted,i will be running a 3.64 lsd so should be fun