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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:08 am

ive stumbled acoss some old car pics on a cd when i was vaud mad!!! well i came across this picture
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and thought dam that looks just as long and wide like the bmw engine!! plus its from a 1.6 ton carlton or more senator!!! also beeing from the same era may be easier than a newer engine?

basicly is it fittable becasue there reliable tons of tourqe and got a cam chain and kicks out Standard power. 201@6000 and Torque 199@3600 and thats with out cams from the 3.2 and remapped! as they take very nicley to a remap winkeye

and they sound amazing,
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http://www.senator24v.co.uk/enggiff.htm

http://www.senator24v.co.uk/rebuild.htm

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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:53 am

bit pointless for the results, a m30 makes more power and is a more straight forward swap
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:22 am

the cam chain is a weak point for this engine.
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:36 am

M50 is again a easier swap.
With great challenges comes great engineering.

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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:58 am

Bmw designd block too.
M30 Tech 1 Touring on gas.
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:39 am

m50 and m30 are easier swaps for more reliability, same or more power
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:27 pm

That engine does look nice though!
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:32 pm

in my eyes id pefer the opel dual ram, very effecient on power!!, and the cam chains arnt weak points!! more the plastic water pump which gets replaced by a metal impeller
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:34 pm

and they carry very little wiring, beeing just the engine loom and then preety much the ecu etc, and id use a digi dash, i do like the sound of them, sound better then the m50 lump
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:14 pm

An M30 is plug and play.. M50 require 45mins to wire it up

Both better lumps imo

Hardly efficient on power.. Basically the same output as a M50B25 but 0.5 litre more.. Hardly great
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:21 pm

sorry true, was looking to have some thing diffrent i mean what would have you more intrested

the dual ram sat there or a m30/m50??
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:22 pm

and the m30 what would be req for full swap, any diffrent props, mounts etc if some one had a run down quickly i think i may join the swap list, cheers




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whats the diffrence between non-vanos engine and vanos???
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:28 pm

Different is fine, as long as it is worth it!

M30 requires mounts, shortened prop, about all I know off the top of my head, it isn't a hard conversion though, and 210-220bhp out the box with a shit load of torque

Vanos is variable cam timing, so with or without.. They make the same power as each other but the Vanos has more mid range
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:46 pm

so vanos engine is better for a power freak like me?!! or will i not notice it in terms of pulling power/tourqe,

mounts are eaisy i suppose, were would i find a shortened prop?,

what about wiring?
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:03 pm

For the m30 swap i can supply the mounts. The prop you can have a custom prop made up the front have from the m30 donor and the rear being e30. There is companys who will be able to do this one being reco prop and the one which i used was major and aspinal up north it only cost 50 quid for it to be welded and balanced. You can apparently also use a e30 m3 prop or e36 328i prop.

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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:09 pm

i think a e36 prop works with reversed bearing!, it sounds so complicated but achivable!!
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:26 pm

m50 conversion, is gearbox and 325 prop.. no custom parts needed bar some welding on the manifolds and acheiveable in a weekend :)
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:15 pm

m50 engine is better than the m30 thats a big old lump of iron to stick in the engine bay better still do an m52b28 alloy block and around £20kg lighter than a m50 engine
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Post Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:09 am

i think if a bit of research is carried out you will find that the timing chain is in fact a weak point for this engine. also if you intend to increase the power by replacing the cams then more strain would be put upon the chain due to the higher lift/longer duration of the cams. if you have already have a 3.0 24v then think about it... but you still require lots of parts, manifold, gearbox, linkage, mountings, prop. i think a more modern bmw 24v would be more suitable. these engines are a good swap into an e30. simple and effective.
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Post Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:51 pm

yer m50 sounds a good idea, i mean if i can simply use a 325 prop , was that a b25 or m50 gear box?

what about wiring? think i may have to inlist some help once i have all tyhe parts. ill pay good money!!!

or there may be other options of payment winkeye
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Post Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:46 pm

what car are you starting with?
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Post Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:11 pm

me?
if so its a 320i 89
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Post Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:49 pm

you can just use the box you already have in the car, an m50 box requires a change of diff ratio. get a m50 from a 525 and e36 engine mountings ,a modified m52 manifold. if you read the m50 sticky, it tells you what wires connect to the e30 loom. cheers
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Post Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:26 pm

How about transplanting the engine from a Lotus Carlton? THAT would be cool :D
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