E30 with E39 M5 Power

[redrobbie]

Sorry if Ive missed sumtin but I was just wondering is Glenn a mechanic or did he teach himself. Pure genius, if hes the second it gives people like me sum faith to try sumtin half as what hes doin.

Keep it goin glenn!

[ian332isport]

but then when we started discussing coding it with the keys and ews box, he told me, quite abruptly that because i've installed "that engine in an e30", that "bmw wont be able to do anything for me"

Ive been told this for my S50 conversion. I think its becasue when BMW plug it on to the computer to code it, the computer searches for sensors and stuff that is no longer there cause its in an E30.
The computer comes up with an error and then cant code the EWS.

That's correct to a point. It does not go looking for sensors, but it does need to see the instrument cluster (kombi).

When I did my conversion, I initially thought I had an EWS alignment problem. I took it to my dealer (who were more than happy to help), and they plugged thier computer into the diagnostic socket to re-align things. During the coding routine, the computer looked for the E36 instrument cluster, but when it could not find it, it chucked them out of the coding routine. They said the only way they could code it, was if I had the E36 cluster wired into the car.

My problem turned out to be a faulty loop aerial for the ignition key, so it was an easy fix. I have since got an E36 cluster and made a connection under the bonnet to allow me to plug it in should it be needed in the future. It's simple enough to hook up, as you only need power & GND, as well as the Rx & Tx data lines.

Cheers,

Ian.

[glenn]

thanks for the comment's guy's,
obviously if it's too loud i'll have to put another silencer in the system,
i want it to have a deep v8 baseline,
i'll fire it up later in the week to see what it sonds like

Glenn if its too loud, then supply the nimbys with earpugs, or shoot them!

next job is to convert it to manual.

Did it have the paddles?

That could be interesting if it could be made to fit an E30 :D:D:D

no andy,
it has the six speed manual, normal stick shift( a proper gearbox)



[/quote]Sorry if Ive missed sumtin but I was just wondering is Glenn a mechanic or did he teach himself. Pure genius, if hes the second it gives people like me sum faith to try sumtin half as what hes doin.

Keep it goin glenn!

no mechanic robbie, you just pick it up after a lifetime of f**king around with cars, bikes etc, we all have to start somewhere.

ian, it was the way he dealt with me after i told him about the engine swap, like i shouldn't be doing things like that with bmw's.
i think he pictured me as 'dr emmit.l.brown off back to the future'

took the ecu to 'chipped uk', he said the ecu is fine, so i'll have to dig deeper this weekend to see why it wont start. he also said the ecu has had the speed limiter removed, sometime in the past

[jmc330i]

I have since got an E36 cluster and made a connection under the bonnet to allow me to plug it in should it be needed in the future. It's simple enough to hook up, as you only need power & GND, as well as the Rx & Tx data lines.

I may have to trouble you for some info about this soon Ian. Just waiting on the exhaust manifold (still ) and then it will be time to try starting the S50.

Im guessing the EWS will need aligning as its been disconnected from power for so long. I have the E36 M3 clocks that came with the engine, so if it can be done in the E30 that would be much easier.

Cheers

[ian332isport]

I have since got an E36 cluster and made a connection under the bonnet to allow me to plug it in should it be needed in the future. It's simple enough to hook up, as you only need power & GND, as well as the Rx & Tx data lines.

I may have to trouble you for some info about this soon Ian. Just waiting on the exhaust manifold (still ) and then it will be time to try starting the S50.

Im guessing the EWS will need aligning as its been disconnected from power for so long. I have the E36 M3 clocks that came with the engine, so if it can be done in the E30 that would be much easier.

Cheers

I'll sort you out with any info you need

I don't think the EWS will loose it's alignment just because it's been disconnected for a while. Mine was unplugged for over a year, and was still okay. It's all held in non volatile memory, so doesn't need power.

As long as your ECU, EWS & keys came from the same car, you should be okay.

Cheers,

Ian.

[Karan]

Glenn...... may be worth giving Hartlake a call.... they are very good with electronics and may be able to help

they come highlu recommended by many people including Ant

[jmc330i]

I don't think the EWS will loose it's alignment just because it's been disconnected for a while. Mine was unplugged for over a year, and was still okay. It's all held in non volatile memory, so doesn't need power.

As long as your ECU, EWS & keys came from the same car, you should be okay.

Thats good to hear. All the bits came from the same car and has been unpluged for coming up to a year now so hopefully it will be ok.
Thanks Ian

Cheers

[glenn]

yes james,
dont worry about how long its been out of the car with no power,
mine was out of the car for well over a year.
fab's even lost my original key,so had to get me another one.
then when i connected it all up she fired up instantly

Glenn...... may be worth giving Hartlake a call.... they are very good with electronics and may be able to help

they come highlu recommended by many people including Ant

thanks karan
i'll sort it out this week, probably something silly i've forgot to do

[Simon]

Haha, so this is where this thread went! I thought it had been deleted or dissapeared of the pages!!

Nice to meet you today Glenn, thanks again for the rocker, can't wait to see this car running..

[glenn]

Haha, so this is where this thread went! I thought it had been deleted or dissapeared of the pages!!

Nice to meet you today Glenn, thanks again for the rocker, can't wait to see this car running..

no problem
good to put some faces to the names
even if some of the faces were a little supprised at their results!!

[glenn]

32valve bmw v8..............hah!!!!

it'll have to try harder than that to beat me!

got it sorted, running this afternoon.
i had fuel pressure and i had power up at the coil packs, and it was turning over like a good-un, so i thought it can't be getting a signal when to fire.
so called in for a crank sensor and hey-presto she fired up straight away,
only one problem, can't wipe this smile off my face!
am just glad not to have f**ked the ecu up.

[Karan]

woohoo.....odd for the crank sensor to go at the same time as when u sparked it....

so whats left now?

Karan

[glenn]

yes!
what a coincidence!!
still loads to do yet mate.
brakes mainly, tidy the loom up, and lots of new bushes

[Batch]

Can you please gimme a link to where i can C an e30 with 4.0 v8 (m60/m62 i guess)? And where to check out the engine code/number? I'm not sure that it's m60...

[Karan]

www.akgmotorsport.com

[glenn]

i'm sure karan has a lot more link's to v8 e30's.

m60 4 liter produced 1994--1996

m62 4.4 liter produced 1996--2001

both 286 bhp, m60-294lb/ft
m62-325lb/ft

[Batch]

www.akgmotorsport.com

Thanks mate
Does anyone know where to search for an installation guide?

[Batch]

Glenn: did you have to relocate the brake intensifyer (or how it's called ) to position the new engine rite? in the link that karan gave me they have relocated that device

[Batch]

i'm sure karan has a lot more link's to v8 e30's.

m60 4 liter produced 1994--1996

m62 4.4 liter produced 1996--2001

both 286 bhp, m60-294lb/ft
m62-325lb/ft

4.4 came with vanos(es)? Rite? I gotta get one without vanos because those with vanos cannot be run with aftermarket ecu's

[glenn]

i haven't done anything with the brakes yet
but once i decide which way i'm going i'll post it here.

i think vanos engine's started in 1999

[Batch]

Now checking e30.de.... can't understand a word in german... at least i'll have a motive to learn german :D:D

[Ant]

september 99 build onwards were vanos units dude

the revised engines were rolled out with the 200o model year facelifts on e38 and 39 ranges

you want some pix of the unit to avoid ? I have 2 @ work in bits @ the mo mate, one thats cooked to death overheated and lost all its bore plating, and a replacement unit thats just bare block and heads

ask and ye shall recieve

[Batch]

Thanks mate, that would be nice. Also still looking 4 any transplant manuals...
As i can see this swap is not as popular as project 335 with m30b35 engine....

[Turbo-Brown]

You can get aftermarket ECUs to control VANOS, but they're quite expensive. I've got an OMEX ECU that can do VANOS.

The other alternative is to find some way of locking the cams in a desirable posision.

You see people with adjustable vernier pulleys on cams and this is what they're doing, adjusting the lift on overlap. Obviously VANOS can do this whenever it likes, but the principal's the same

[Batch]

For me it's easier and cheaper to find non-vanos engine.
Does anyone knoe anything about ecu called MegaSquirt?

[Frenchguy]

Does anyone know where to search for an installation guide?

http://www.thoz.bomms.de/
http://www.schwarzone.de/e30/fotost/f00599/f00599.htm
http://www.bmw-power.de/Fahrzeuge/E30_3 ... ericht.htm

[Batch]

Does anyone know where to search for an installation guide?

http://www.thoz.bomms.de/
http://www.schwarzone.de/e30/fotost/f00599/f00599.htm
http://www.bmw-power.de/Fahrzeuge/E30_3 ... ericht.htm

Thanks a lot mate
Glenn: what did you do with the brake amplifyer (or how it's called)? Here it's relocated to the front

[glenn]

Does anyone know where to search for an installation guide?

http://www.thoz.bomms.de/
http://www.schwarzone.de/e30/fotost/f00599/f00599.htm
http://www.bmw-power.de/Fahrzeuge/E30_3 ... ericht.htm

Thanks a lot mate
Glenn: what did you do with the brake amplifyer (or how it's called)? Here it's relocated to the front

i haven't done anything about the brakes yet, haven't decided which way to go yet

[Batch]

Is there more than one way possible? I talked to Tino (the owner of e30.de site.. or the creator) and he said that it's the only way.
p.s. found out that the gearbox from m60 3.0 (5spd manual) also fits, i hope it's cheaper..

[Karan]

i have seen an e23 hydrualic setup used for this conversion...... as well as the method that u have shown....

[Batch]

The hydraulic setup is smaller, but which way to go? Which one would be easier?

[Karan]

heres my e23 booster in place..sticks out but diameter is reduced

[Batch]

Karan -> can you describe exactly what parts have been swapped? What problemz appeared during the modifying?

[glenn]

just a couple of pics with the bonnet and grills on

[Simon]

just a couple of pics with the bonnet and grills on

That's scary...to think there's a V8 400bhp lump under there!!!