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Mon May 30, 2005 6:14 pm

A V8 at 7000rpm
you've got to hear it, it's music,
trouble is, i've burnt all the petrol i had in the car and put another tenner in it , and i've not been out of the garage yet :eek: :eek: :eek:

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Mon May 30, 2005 6:23 pm

glenn wrote:
A V8 at 7000rpm
you've got to hear it, it's music,
trouble is, i've burt all the petrol i had in the car and put another tenner in it , and i've not been out of the garage yet :eek: :eek: :eek:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
LOL thas great!!!!!
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Tue May 31, 2005 12:10 am

Thanks,

Yup will need a set of those for sure. I have a M3 can a keep my box or are u using the original M5 one. I was going to use an Emerald ecu what do you thing??

Thanks agine for the reply
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Tue May 31, 2005 12:29 am

emerald ecu will work well..... im using stock management for the time being

id say use the m5 box although the m3 one will fit.

lemme know asap if u want the mounts...as i will soon no longer have a template to work from

cheers
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:20 pm

further developments

engine now in final position as shown

after pissing about with hydraulic servos etc... i have realised that after putting the plenum on and getting the lump in... the original one still goes.!!!!!!!!!!!! what a tit i am!

theres about 3/4mm clearance between engine and servo, so may grind it down a tad or just leave it as is

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stock e30 servo in plave with master attached
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drivers side mount doing its thing
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other one doing its thing
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inside one of the wings showing factory wax
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:05 pm

i love it!!!
the lump looks awesome in there.
i bet you cant wait to get it running in there.
also i bet you want to get really stuck into it.
again,........awesome!!!!!!!
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:45 pm

another pic to show servo in place

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e30 m3 suspension brings put rear track slightly, note the suitcase as i have been told to move into the garage

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full on frontal nudity

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Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:54 pm

Very nice job, Can't wait to see it running. My M30 overheated and died the end of may I miss it, but don't have the money to rebuild(lost compression head checked out perfect). Maybe an S38 will go in instead :twisted:
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:55 pm

Dude you will need to cut the inlet slightly, that car pacer and the H25 had cut outs, as the engine will move alot once on the go.

Looking good! tell me if you need some help.


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Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:57 pm

Ya they move, the upper tranny bolt actualy cut a hole threw the firewall right under the blower from moving around. Also I doubt you'll be able to get the tranny on in position 3 unless you already have the bellhousing on. I couldn't tilt mine enough and had to slide it back to #2 put the tranny on then slide the whole unit back.
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rs4pro3 wrote:Ya they move, the upper tranny bolt actualy cut a hole threw the firewall right under the blower from moving around. Also I doubt you'll be able to get the tranny on in position 3 unless you already have the bellhousing on. I couldn't tilt mine enough and had to slide it back to #2 put the tranny on then slide the whole unit back.
yeh ill grind servo and inlet down slightly........

ive had the tranny on and did some carefull bodywork with a hammer to make some room.... still need to do a bit, but its ok

and demlot dude.... ill defo call u round for help not nxt week but the week after..... when my exams are done...
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:04 pm

Just take a hammer to the Servo(brake booster). I had to hammer a small dent in mine to clear the E34 intake manifold
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rs4pro3 wrote:Just take a hammer to the Servo(brake booster). I had to hammer a small dent in mine to clear the E34 intake manifold
Will this not stop the servo from doing its job? as there is a large plate the same diameter inside which moves when the vacuume is made.

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rs4pro3 wrote:Just take a hammer to the Servo(brake booster). I had to hammer a small dent in mine to clear the E34 intake manifold
will it not get damaged internally to the diaphragm?
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:13 pm

I had no problems for the 5 months the M30 was in the car, I just had to make a small dimple not sure how much you need.
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:15 pm

and wouldnt the engine move the other way when on the thottle?

i think a bit of careful grinding and filing will do... then once its on the road we will see how it is
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:19 pm

that looks awesome dude. that block just looks made for the puny e30 bay.

i thought you would damage the servo by banging it with a hammer. just keep grindin to be safe
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:27 pm

Karan wrote:and wouldnt the engine move the other way when on the thottle?

i think a bit of careful grinding and filing will do... then once its on the road we will see how it is
Mate more than a 'BIT'.

What about over run and when you change gears the engine moves to the left, plus cornering will move it also.

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Demlotcrew wrote:
Karan wrote:and wouldnt the engine move the other way when on the thottle?

i think a bit of careful grinding and filing will do... then once its on the road we will see how it is
Mate more than a 'BIT'.

What about over run and when you change gears the engine moves to the left, plus cornering will move it also.

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yeh i thought bout that..... may just fit a golf one then to be on the safe side.... would have been nice to keep the original though
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:33 pm

and wouldnt the engine move the other way when on the thottle?
youre correct karan,
the engine will move away when on throttle, but it's on over-run that the engine will move towards the servo.
Will this not stop the servo from doing its job? as there is a large plate the same diameter inside which moves when the vacuume is made.
the piece that moves inside the servo is the diaphram, it's made of rubber,
it should still move with a small dent in it,
but be carefull not to break the seal as each side of the servo seals the rubber diaphram between them
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:45 pm

Karan, i think that a gap of about an inch would be a good target to go for.

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Demlotcrew wrote:Karan, i think that a gap of about an inch would be a good target to go for.

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k cheers guys...... will that inlet bend in or crack if i hit it... as its ally 8O
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:49 pm

i could cut a hole out and get a concave section welded in i guess
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:51 pm

dont hit the ally,
it's cast aliminium,
it will break
i'd use a grinder, but be carefull, you wont be able to take much off it,
goodluck
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glenn wrote:dont hit the ally,
it's cast aliminium,
it will break
i'd use a grinder, but be carefull, you wont be able to take much off it,
goodluck
cheers dude.... i thought it would crack.. just wanted to check

grinding of the inlet and servo it is then! :D


things left:

align gbox prop and make gbox mounts
cooling system
PAS pipes
wiring
exhaust
PAS pipes
refit all other bits like front panel etc....

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Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:34 am

Looking good mate.

I will check out the Golf servo for you when Im down the yard on Monday.
I think the GTi one is about an inch smaller than the the E30 servo, so would save you grinding and cutting the plenum.

I see youve gone with the E36 rack. Whats your plan for the exhaust manifold and getting it round the steering joint?
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jmc330i wrote:Looking good mate.

I will check out the Golf servo for you when Im down the yard on Monday.
I think the GTi one is about an inch smaller than the the E30 servo, so would save you grinding and cutting the plenum.

I see youve gone with the E36 rack. Whats your plan for the exhaust manifold and getting it round the steering joint?
Thats 1/2" not small enough.

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Demlotcrew wrote:Karan, i think that a gap of about an inch would be a good target to go for.

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an INCH? where's that plucked from?!

you try putting an m30 in and getting an inch clearance to every single thing in the bay!

you're correct in that the inlet moving left and right requires the most clearance being so far away from the mounts (so it moves furthest when the engine rocks under load) but an inch is unnecessary. and i don't think you'll get that much clearance to the steering column with a modded tubular manifold.

the most movement you get is on start up, and clearance problems then are a minor annoyance rather than a serious problem. but i have probably 1cm between inlet plenum and servo and i have no issue.

and yes i know karan's motor is a good bit pokier than mine, but firstly the torque output is only 20lbft (or something) higher if i remember right. and secondly karan probably used new rubber mounts which will move less than my second hand ones :roll:
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Demlotcrew wrote:Karan, i think that a gap of about an inch would be a good target to go for.

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an INCH? where's that plucked from?!

you try putting an m30 in and getting an inch clearance to every single thing in the bay!

you're correct in that the inlet moving left and right requires the most clearance being so far away from the mounts (so it moves furthest when the engine rocks under load) but an inch is unnecessary. and i don't think you'll get that much clearance to the steering column with a modded tubular manifold.

the most movement you get is on start up, and clearance problems then are a minor annoyance rather than a serious problem. but i have probably 1cm between inlet plenum and servo and i have no issue.

and yes i know karan's motor is a good bit pokier than mine, but firstly the torque output is only 20lbft (or something) higher if i remember right. and secondly karan probably used new rubber mounts which will move less than my second hand ones :roll:
I had a video of a M20 on stock mounts, the guy took the bonnet off and went off for a drive, you would be surprised to know how much movement there was (i was). And from what i can remember the H25 and pacers touring had about an inch.

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Sun Jul 03, 2005 11:08 am

i could get an inch pretty easily i reckon with grinding and bashing and bodging..... as toby says ive seen his and andys bays and they didnt have much space...... im just glad i can have a vacuum servo to be honest..thought i was gonna have to waste time on hydraulic stuff and piping

my m20 moves quite a lot but because of the slant these engines i dont think move much the other way...even if it does hit its not like much expensive damage will occur

will prob put a smaller one in or grind down stock one
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jmc330i wrote:Looking good mate.

I will check out the Golf servo for you when Im down the yard on Monday.
I think the GTi one is about an inch smaller than the the E30 servo, so would save you grinding and cutting the plenum.

I see youve gone with the E36 rack. Whats your plan for the exhaust manifold and getting it round the steering joint?
:D :D :D :D

u da man!

as for the manifold.... the front lots whould be ok but ill have to butcher my mounting a little.. but thet doesnt matter as the rest of it is soo strong neway. the rear collector is right in the way so im gonna get ot done by someone...and the rest of the exhaust done to join up with my supersprint rear box
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i don't know which cars demlot means about h25 or pacers touring.

but as i said i have no-where near an inch and i have no vibration problem, so there's no point giving yourself a headache getting an inch!

Karan does your e36 rack and coupling make the exhaust clearance better or worse?
as i have this thing sitting on my desk and it's a long way from going straight on! you had yours modfied yet?

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Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:51 pm

hi toby... havent had my zaust modded yet... gonna get car running first and everything else donefirst.

ure one appears different to mine, as for the e36 rack i think it makes things worse to be honest but im not 100% sure as i did the e36 stuff a while ago and never compared to stock.. but i think it brings the joints closer to the block therefore reducing room between joints and block

on my racing dynamics one on my sport both sets go between the joints and block so i could not get an e36 setup on that

ure gonna have to bodge that up quite a bit methinks

im gonna trailer my car down to someone that can do it and make my downpipes etc... aswell
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Karan wrote:ure gonna have to bodge that up quite a bit methinks
cheers karan i'm good at bodging stuff :rolleyes:

it's gonna sound good though i hope. not expecting much more power as the rest's stock apart from filter and zaust
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