m42-----S38-----2JZ big single

[Karan]

Much respect and admiration from the Lord!

thank u, oh great one!!!!

6 pots, throttle bodies, and 5 studs!-NUFF SAID



LOL

[Karan]

Looking cool mate !

Is it just sat on the sub frame/jacks for now ?

It's probobly just the way the pictures look but it looks like the engine is sitting a little to much to the drivers side ?

It's going to be the dogs swingers when it's all done mate !

nope shes on the mounts in positon 2 sitting LUUURVELY

there is quite a slant on these engines cos of the TBs i think, moreso than the m30s...

dude... i have to use an e28 m5 rad and thermo housing and rework all the coolant pipes as there's no way the e34 m5 setup is going on!!!!

i bought an e28 535 rad on ebay which i thougth would be fine... however i need one with an outlet at the top on the drivers side and at the bottom on the nearside... if u get me?? what rad can i use? does the e28 m5 rad have this setup?

cheers
Karan

[Andy335Touring]

This is what e30.de says.....



(shity translation)

HARTGE used the radiator of the E28 M5 and/or M635CSi with its H35-24. Alternatively the normal E28 535i radiator can be recommended. The thermostat housing of the M88 fits here optimally. With the change a S38 used is recommended completely clearly the change on M88 technology, since the bulky aluminum pipes of the newer S38 thermostats in the E30 affect very badly the space conditions vorm engine. The heizungsanschluesse of the E30 stand with the M335i change in the way. The large sucking in housing stands here in the way. A possibility is the transfer of the heizanschluesse into the interior. A possible hose process is recognizable in the last picture.

[Karan]

This is what e30.de says.....



(sh*t translation)

HARTGE used the radiator of the E28 M5 and/or M635CSi with its H35-24. Alternatively the normal E28 535i radiator can be recommended. The thermostat housing of the M88 fits here optimally. With the change a S38 used is recommended completely clearly the change on M88 technology, since the bulky aluminum pipes of the newer S38 thermostats in the E30 affect very badly the space conditions vorm engine. The heizungsanschluesse of the E30 stand with the M335i change in the way. The large sucking in housing stands here in the way. A possibility is the transfer of the heizanschluesse into the interior. A possible hose process is recognizable in the last picture.

cheers dude..... i was on there earlier... LOL

ill go for the e28 m5 rad me thinks.... im sure one can be had from euros or the like....

and ill have to get the thrmo housing new i think from the dealers

oh well, theres bound to be complications LOL

[Andy335Touring]

Don't know if it will help you or not but this picky is an M6 engine bay and the arrow is the S38b35 thermostat housing i think ?



I've got it in a higher res' if you need it ?

[Karan]

Don't know if it will help you or not but this picky is an M6 engine bay and the arrow is the S38b35 thermostat housing i think ?



I've got it in a higher res' if you need it ?

hmmmm i assume u mean m88 engine.???just makin sure....

that looks like the m88 m5 and m6 housing to me and is indeed the one i need as the s38 e30 boys on .de have used this along with an e28 rad!

cheers
Karan

[Karan]

there is one example here:

http://www.behindmatrix.com/e30/fotost/ ... f00184.htm

[Chaos]

is there enuff room to junk the crappy viscous fan and fit a nice decent electric one, so u dont sound like a taxi

[Demlotcrew]

NUFF-SAID

[Karan]

NUFF-SAID

LOL that one was for u!

[glenn]

looking great there mate,
that engine was destined for that car
not much room at the front karan,
looks like you have less room up front than me.

hope your setting aside some of your budget for a steady supply of tyres,
as these engine's produce serious amounts of torque

[Chaos]

fair play it does look fcukin awesome


thats gonna be an animal

[Andy335Touring]

hmmmm i assume u mean m88 engine.???just makin sure....

that looks like the m88 m5 and m6 housing to me and is indeed the one i need as the s38 e30 boys on .de have used this along with an e28 rad!

cheers
Karan

I think it just depends which side of the pond you come from as to what you call it ?

[glenn]

karan,
according to my TIS disc,
the 318is and the 3.6m5 both run the same fuel pressure=3bar
the m5 pump delivering 875cm/30 sec
couldnt find that info for 318


the e39 m5 is at 5 bar, the same as e36 m3

hope this is of help

[Karan]

karan,
according to my TIS disc,
the 318is and the 3.6m5 both run the same fuel pressure=3bar
the m5 pump delivering 875cm/30 sec
couldnt find that info for 318


the e39 m5 is at 5 bar, the same as e36 m3

hope this is of help

that is indeed glenn! cheers

i'll see how its running on the iS and RR it to see if it leans out under load at the top end with the stock pump.... akthough apparently its pretty easy to swap the actual pump unit from the m5 into the assembly on the iS tank.

ive gotta get this thermo housing issue sorted... i reckon all that stuff from the dealers is gonna cost loads! e28 m5 stuff is rare and very expensive im sure..... the s38 is just too long to run the stock thermo housing and piping.

[CourtM3]

that thing will be sick when completed. Can't wait to see dyno numbers

[Lowm3]

fck me.. your dangerous mate!!!

Enough respect getting that beast in by yourself!!!

[Adammcf]

That is one big engine! I cant wait to see how this ends up. Its going to be awsome.

[Karan]

since my last6 post///

engine was removed

soundproofing removed for access to tunnel-some other crap removed too

e36 rack is in with all custom ally joints made up,
e23 hydraulic booster in with master attached, booster modded inside car.
all m3 brakes fitted, 3.64 lsd fitted
its been very slowy

next----------> engine will go in, in the final position (position 3-as far back as possible) bulkhead modded (slight adjustment required) and tunnel modded for bellhousing for the box which is pretty big.
box will then go on...linkages made and prop length chosen and sent off to be made
engine and box will be removed, and the plumbing for the hydraulic brakes and power steering custom plumbed up (not looking forward to this)
then engine will go on-wiring will be done, thermostat housing and rad from e28 m5 will go in and expansion tank located.

after that the engine should turn over and the car shohuld run... albeit without an exhaust and manifold LOL i have a supersprint m3 backbox to go on.... will tow/trailer car to exhaust specialist-possibly BTB/hayward and scot-anyone have any recommendation. manifold will be modded and exhaust fitted with no centre silencer....just a rear

and then MOT time and it should be done

not much time has gone into this car yet but the real work begins mid/end july when i am free'er' should be done by end/mid august

Karan

[glenn]

i bet you cant wait to hear it running in the e30 !!
i only have one straight thro' silencer (resonater box)
at the back, the cats do most of the silencing on mine,
but when you give it big amounts of throttle, it crackles and pops like a good un

[Karan]

so whats left with ure conversion glenn? interior wiring etc?

[jmc330i]

Do you reckon there will be any problems when it comes to MOT time with no centre box in the exhaust? Was just thinking about noise levels really.

My 330i exhaust wont have a centre box, just straight through pipes to a modded 325i back box, but I have no idea how loud it will be.

[nav786]

coming on well mate. looks cool, cant wait to see the final outcome. hero-chariot for sure

[Karan]

Do you reckon there will be any problems when it comes to MOT time with no centre box in the exhaust? Was just thinking about noise levels really.

My 330i exhaust wont have a centre box, just straight through pipes to a modded 325i back box, but I have no idea how loud it will be.

should be ok i reckon....wont be too loud unless its booted i think
my sport flies thru mots as did my 318is with just a single silencer..

just make sure its running sweet emissions wise..
Karan

[ian332isport]

I think you may find a single silencer is a little on the loud side.

Mine has actually quitened down a bit since it was fitted (carbon'd up a bit), but when first fitted, it was louder than I was happy with.

You will be surprised how much noise you can get down big fat pipes. I have twin 2.5" drainpipes running the full length of the car (standard size for the Evo). I suspect the M5 has something of a similar size.

In my experience with E30 exhaust's, it's always the centre box that influences the volume the most.

Ian.

[Karan]

we'll see how it goes.....can always get another silencer bodged in at a future date... or maybe just 2 resonator (cherry bombs) in each pipe for the centre!

Karan

[Toby_Unna]

Do you reckon there will be any problems when it comes to MOT time with no centre box in the exhaust? Was just thinking about noise levels really.

My 330i exhaust wont have a centre box, just straight through pipes to a modded 325i back box, but I have no idea how loud it will be.

firstly it should go thru a mot even if it's way above the legal noise limit, they don't noise test it. as long as it's gas tight and heat shielded where necessary it should be fine. i had a janspeed exhaust on my old mr2 which was deafeningly loud and had raspy vibrating baffles, got pulled over by plod a few times (but never fined) but the mot tester never cared!

single box system depends on what rear box you use. i have straight through pipes at the 535i downpipe diameter going into an e36 328i rear box (a genuine bmw one but secondhand) and it's pretty quiet, no noisier than the full e30 325i system i had on there before.

[Karan]

yeh toby...ure car is actually very quiet....i dont think the bigger block and newer lumps make as much noise as m20s for some reason...

[Toby_Unna]

it was pretty loud with just the manifold on

i think it's the newer exhaust rather than the newer engine that makes the difference. also in my experience genuine bmw exhausts are much quieter than cheap ECP copies.

[cecotto04]

Congrats, will be doing the same as you this winter. Looking for an M5 engine in Italy which is quite difficult. What engine mounts did you use e28 M5 ???

Thanks

[Karan]

nope im just using stock e30 325i mount rubbers, the e28 m5 ones i believe would raise the engine higher,,,,,,which i didnt want and there is good clearance from sump to xmember with stock 325 mounts.

as for what mount arms i am using.... i bought from www.e30.de, but i hade them copied for some people in 10mm steel.

look here for info

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... pic&t=5277

lemme know and i'll get u a set made and shipped

Karan

[glenn]

i've been 3-4 weeks sorting the wiring out, karan
i will put some pics up on my thread in the next day or two, of what loom looked like at the start, how much i cut out and what is left to run the engine.
with my exausts, i've got two 70mm tubes running thro' the cats, out the other side, then joining just before the axle then thro' one staight through resonater box with two 70mm outlets.
very quiet on tickover, not as loud when revving as i thought it was going to be up to about 4-5000rpm,
take it to 7000rpm though and it crackles and pops when returning to tickover(which is nice!!)

[Karan]

if i come to cardiff some time i may pop round to hear this thing!

did u get all cooling sorted?

only big thing u have left is the brakes-is that correct?

Karan

[glenn]

yes mate cooling is done.
used the e39 m5 radiator in the end, had to notch out the chassis slightly,
but strengthend it up afterwards, no fan on it at the moment, will put an electric one on later, even ticking over for 20 mins it stays around half on the gauge.
still seems like theres loads to do yet.
you know where i live, pop round anytime
that goes for anyone who wanted to have a look.

[jmc330i]

firstly it should go thru a mot even if it's way above the legal noise limit, they don't noise test it.

But round my way the MOT testers are tight g*ts. Most have refused to test cars that are excessively loud at some point or another.

I was going for 2.25" ID pipe into a modded 325i backbox. It was the original back box off the sport and it was never very loud, so Im hoping it will be ok.
Like Karan said, can always add some sort of silencers in the future.

take it to 7000rpm though and it crackles and pops when returning to tickover(which is nice!!)

A V8 at 7000rpm