318iS Chip Testing - dyno graph

[agreen]

A bit late but some pics of that amazing dyno and my car


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was a good day

[EndaW]

I think this thread is missleading and ill try to explain why.
Knocking "other" makers of the 318iS chips is easy 2 years on, but the fact remains that whilst all other tuners were trying to get a chip to work only one company managed it and with great results.
Yes, lots of work was involved including problems but thats the case when developing anything.
The best way to judge this tuning is to get the other maker of the chip to attend evolve in front of some e30 owners and evolve to let them make a map on there dyno so the results can be totally indipendant and no blame of fixed dyno runs can be spouted at a later date,
Evolve will make a map then the other company make a map and then both tested on the same dyno on the same day.
Its easy to knock another companies product when they are not there and even after countless faultless indipendant reviews but it doesnt make it fair.
I think this is the only proper thing to do because otherwise it gives the wrong impresson of evolve as many people will think it a case of sour grapes but if proven in front of members it will be a kudos factor that propelles evolve to great heights.
Another think that really baffles me that as far as im aware, evolve have no skills in mapping binary code and in fact do not make there own software so to say they read other companies software and judge it to be as good as dangerous is a bold statement, something said on many forums by evolve and in truth the one thing that is making many people uncomfortable with them.

[agreen]

its an £80 chip that gives 12bp (proven) what the f ing hel do you want man !!!

honestlly some people

can you not see all someone has tried to do is be a honest place where people wanting more from the ca can go and get honest advice,

i am not having a go mate i am just saying the man has tried and has spent his time and his money (which no one else is doing ) to give some realistic figures

i mean for god sake someone tries to do a good thing and tries to continue to build up a honest and reputable buisness and all some people can do is think tha they are just out to rip people of and make themselves out to be the best well no all they are saying is that they sell a chip with a proven gain !!!

i dont mind you speaking your mmind and infact i encorage it however i surgest to keepyourswlf happy youdo the following

1) go out and buy an industrial unit
2) go out and spend like £100,000 on a brand new dyno dynamics dyno
3) go out and try to get some people with e30's to coperate with you which with an attitude like the one you have i doubt you are gonna get
4)ohh yeh and do like 12 hour days for free testing products

THN I AM SURE YOU WILL BE HAPPY MATE GOOD LUCK

ONLY MY VIEW BUT WE WILL SEE WHO AGREES WITH YOU MATE

and in truth the one thing that is making many people uncomfortable with them.

WE WILL SEE !!!

TAR matey

[EndaW]

Actually the person im speaking for has spent over £1,000,000 on a unit and dyno and equipment.
The post above isnt trying to make an argument, you see, the thread is designed to discredit another product which is easy to do when the other product isnt represented so the best thing for all concerned is to have both companies do a test at the same time on the same dyno then readers of this thread get an unbiased review.
No one is knocking evolve, its kida like DMS in marketing structure but to knock someone who is a proven map writer when in fact they cant write a map seems a tad odd to me.

[EndaW]

Actually, as its clear your car is your pride and joy, would you be willing to have it mapped again, for free and on a dyno dynamics dyno with all runs done in shootout mode and pitch the chip you have fitted to one made on your car with the use of an emulator ?
If no gains are made your costs for the day will be covered and if gains are made you go away with free work, this would be the ideal candidate as im sure that unless a full emulator was used on your car during the emulation when yours was mapped you wont have correct varient coding.

[hammoj28]

That sounds like a challenge. i like it.

[agreen]

would you be willing to have it mapped again, for free and on a dyno dynamics dyno with all runs done in shootout mode and pitch the chip you have fitted to one made on your car with the use of an emulator ?

Absalootly why not ?

[agreen]

come on then pu your dno where your mouth is lol tell me when tell me wher e

[Andyboy]

£80 rechips on a 15 year old BMW. So let all parties concerned argue over £80 chips for 15 year old BMW's, whatever! As I intimated in another post, this was all done 15-20 years ago with exactly the same results, ie around 10 bhp plus or minus a bhp or two. Technology hasn't really moved on because it's still the same old Motronic system. Unichip ffs?? That's like making a new suit for a dead man. At the end of the day you can spend as much time and effort on it as you like and a 320d will still shut you down.

[agreen]

320d will still shut you down

lets see your 320d then mate

lets see if you got what it takes lets see if you have even got a 320d i doubt it

if so we will see how far behind my moms fiat panda is then wont we

tell me when and where and i wont be there

CCCCCOOOOOMMMMMMEEEEE ON MAN

[Jon_Bmw]

oh Dear.

[Andyboy]

320d will still shut you down

lets see your 320d then mate

srtiped out 318is we will see

lets see if you got what it takes lets see if you have even got a 320d i doubt it

if so we will see how far behing my track 318is is then wont we

tell me when and where

CCCCCOOOOOMMMMMMEEEEE ON MAN

You mean this one, Son?

Be at mine tomorrow afternoon, M1 J28. Anytime will do, I'm here all day. Failure to attend will make you look like an even bigger twat! If you sold your thing, you might just afford the wheels off this.
I had the E46 136 bhp version too - probably when you were at school.

[Simon13]

Sal instead of 4 pages of sh!t of pissing about on the zone where's my bloody anti roll bars i phoned and ordered about a month ago!

[Andyboy]

Tick tock....tick tock.....tick tock.........

....I'm waiting. Bring a mate with you as well. Shall we say 3pm at the top of Common Lane in Huthwaite? I will be there.


This is my old one btw. Apologies for the terrible pic, it's a digital photo of an old print from when I had the car in 2001.

[Andyboy]

Oh, lest we forget:

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... sc&start=0

[agreen]

If you sold your thing, you might just afford the wheels off this.

a bit pompouse dont we think ?

how about you come to me ? if the turd will make it lmao

oh yeh tick tock tick tock

sad sad man lol
i am 18 mate what did you have when yo were 18 apart from genital warts lmao anyway like it or not

+12 bhp i amhappy

thats all from me i am affraid

[Andyboy]

If you sold your thing, you might just afford the wheels off this.

a bit pompouse dont we think ?

how about you come to me ? if the turd will make it lmao

oh yeh tick tock tick tock

sad sad man lol
i am 18 mate what did you have when yo were 18 apart from genital warts lmao anyway like it or not

+12 bhp i amhappy

thats all from me i am affraid

Well, thanks for the silly names and insults. I bet your folks are so proud.
As you said, name a time and place. I just did. See you tomorrow.







Lol.

[EndaW]

Actually andyboy is correct, the 320d will destroy the 318is even a stripped out one.
Also, there is no life in the tuning market left for the 318iS or even the e30 if truth be told but that wasnt the point of my earlier posts.

[agreen]

look what i found lmao

on jokeing i like the car really just thought it might get ya going a bit more

it took me a long time you know



anyway all the above posts were imho so i dont get wrong

and my 15 year old is was never gonna beat a fing 56plate bm was it i am sure you will grow up one day

see you soon son ?

[Dan318-is]

Oh, lest we forget:

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... sc&start=0

Agreen, as said, read this & weap. The I.s, when tuned properly, can reach decent enough figures, its been proven time and time again. Tim_s, Kos, appletree, demlotcrew but to name a few has built and modified i.S., with similar spec to well above 160 brake with enough money and proper tuning. Two have had features (kos & appletree), one has made 180bhp time and time again. 12 brake from a generic chip is nothing to shout about and has been done years and years before yours im afraid its old news. Long way to go before you can wave your willy im afraid.

would you be willing to have it mapped again, for free and on a dyno dynamics dyno with all runs done in shootout mode and pitch the chip you have fitted to one made on your car with the use of an emulator ?

Absalootly why not ?

[Andyboy]

[quote="agreen"]
"i am 18 mate what did you have when yo were 18 apart from genital warts"

Only this I'm afraid:


£1200 from a car auction, £1000 on new wings/respray and another £1200 (per 3 months) to insure it.

It only did 150 mph, but hey, I was just an 18 year old Kid. It was all I could afford.

Man, that was one fat Cat: (the Ginger tom, not the Jag)

[EndaW]

Andy, your father must have had some sweet cars as well at that time ?
I had an SD1 2600, not as good as the 3500 V8 but not ad for an 18 year old.

[Andyboy]

Andy, your father must have had some sweet cars as well at that time ?
I had an SD1 2600, not as good as the 3500 V8 but not ad for an 18 year old.

Aaaahh! I had an ex police 2600, CYW497V (I think). She was a proper Cop spec one based on the 2300 with crap trim and no self levelling but with Magnesium Minilites and four pot Jaguar brakes. 5 speed manual and it wasn't shy.
My Dad's vehicle at the time? The white Transit van next to the XJS! There were always lots of cars about to use and he didn't buy a car (a 993 C4) until the middle nineties - still got it as well.

[EndaW]

How things change, SD1 too F1 although the the pug 107 1 litre at a healthy 72hp is a dream to drive and at £6400 on the road and £82 a year fully comp returning 62mpg you cant lose as a daily driver.

[Demlotcrew]

I dont think you could loose with an offer like that?

Can i have the same? Polo GT not a M42 tho

[agreen]

i was not shouting about it i just was happy to have got a gain for free i dont have alot / anymoney so this for me is brilliant

thanks guys

[agreen]

Andyboy wrote:
Oh, lest we forget:

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... sc&start=0

i had never seen that thread

i will say that is very impresie if only i had the money for a re map

i am just gonna be happy with wht i have got

thanks for all the iput ndyboy and dan318is especially an i apollagise for my igoerence

[BD76]

"i am 18 mate what did you have when yo were 18 apart from genital warts"

Only this I'm afraid:


£1200 from a car auction, £1000 on new wings/respray and another £1200 (per 3 months) to insure it.

It only did 150 mph, but hey, I was just an 18 year old Kid. It was all I could afford.

Man, that was one fat Cat: (the Ginger tom, not the Jag)

150MPH !!!!!!!!!!!

[EndaW]

I dont think you could loose with an offer like that?

Can i have the same? Polo GT not a M42 tho

Yes of course, I think this would be great, what year is the polo? maybe ths would be an oppertunity for evolve to submit there work for later cars and prove they are the best.

[tim_s]

Andyboy wrote:
Oh, lest we forget:

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... sc&start=0

i had never seen that thread

i will say that is very impresie if only i had the money for a re map

i am just gonna be happy with wht i have got

thanks for all the iput ndyboy and dan318is especially an i apollagise for my igoerence

Fair play Agreen, that's well humble of you. can't remember the last time someone apologised around here. If you look at the wheel figures yours made compared to Kos' (which made some unbelievable losses, frankly), you're 20hp up Still baffled at how 100rwhp in a rwd car is 160bhp at the fly. oh and I've driven a 320d 5 spd (88mm stroke) touring and it was slow. not sure what the newer ones are like.

[M5pilot]

Anyboy is right, E90 320d will leave a 318iS. Once remapped it will leave a 325i aswell.

Sal

[M5pilot]

Another think that really baffles me that as far as im aware, evolve have no skills in mapping binary code and in fact do not make there own software so to say they read other companies software and judge it to be as good as dangerous is a bold statement, something said on many forums by evolve and in truth the one thing that is making many people uncomfortable with them.

You've never spoken to us, never used us, never been here and don't know who is involved in our company. You are not in a position to say what we know and what we can do.

We are discussed on z3mcoupe.com and a tiny little bit on e36coupe.com and I can't see anyone feeling uncomfortable with us.

Sal

[M5pilot]

Actually the person im speaking for has spent over £1,000,000 on a unit and dyno and equipment

Are we talking about the same person who mapped Kos's car?

[EndaW]

I think the easiest way to think of this is that all reputable companies will do a decent job and if a way of getting work is by knocking the competition then the battle is allready lost.

[M5pilot]

Simon,

No one knocked any specific company.

I just had your boss on the phone to me anjd I have quite clearly explained that it was NOT your chip we use and your company has not been mentioned ANYWHERE.

Sal