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Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:41 pm

I'm not sure if this is the right area of the forum to post this message but here goes:

:roll: I'm a bit of a dab hand now (self taught) when it comes to renovating Sports/Recaro seats so if anyone wants some free helpful advice on how to dismantle them and replace the side bolsters and/or centres then feel free to ask. It doesn't matter whether they are leather or cloth, the principles are exactly the same.

I have restored 4 sets of E28 seats on my own cars over the years, two leather and two cloth, including an E28 M5 that are electrically operated :eek: (nightmare) and two sets of cloth sports E30 seats, one pair for myself and one pair for a friend.

It is very time consuming but not rocket science at all, it is also very rewarding.

To give you an idea; on Friday night I collected a pair of Anthaite cloth sports seats bought for my touring off Ebay (The touring was fitted with tatty sports seats from a two door) I have throughly cleaned all the Cloth, swapped two of the bolsters and bases from the old two door seats that had holes in, approx:

Ten hours work later and now they are fitted in the car, all for 90 quid(Ebay price) and I still have the old two door seats that are good doners for someone else.

When it comes to leather, IMO there is only one company to go to for restoring products and treatment, Gliptone (you'll find them on the Internet).

Incidently, for those of you who are desperately looking for a pair of sports seats for the 4 door and can't find any, you can also use E28 5 series one's as they are exactly the same all you need to do is swap the runners over, as they are wider apart on the 5 series (half hour job, tops :wink: ).

I really hope that all this is not taken as being a "know it all", i am really trying to help you other Zoners to save some cash for other things on what really is not a difficult process at all.

As I say, if any of you want some help on how to dimantle and reasemble seats or leather cleaning or reclouring I will be only too pleased to help. :)
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:45 pm

do you do them for peeps ie me if i was to drop them off or what hwere are you
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:59 pm

No, this is not a money making exercise, and i really don't have the time to do them for other people to be honest, but if you bought them round i could show you how to take them apart and reasemble them, including removing the damaged cloth/leather panels; or i could PM you instructions.

Example on leather:

I have an E28 528i that i wanted to put Beige sports seats in, i bought a whole E28 sports interior off Ebay for penut as the rears seat was mint but the fronts were like swss cheese. I then bought a pair of Grey Leather E30 sports seats which had some damage, but then swaped the E28 bits that were good and visa versa and then finally recolured the whole lot beige with a Gliptone recolouring kit, it looks spot on and you would never know that it used to be partly grey.
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:04 pm

Hi, Funny how you should mention this. Just bought a E36 Coupe for wife the seats are the Silvery/Grey Leather the rears are mint but the front are really creased with the ingrained look. Have been considering the restoration route for the past couple of days but not to sure on the whole about the dye and how easy it is to match the colour. Any advice.
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:05 pm

I'm just curious -is it difficult to swap the RH bolster on the driver's seat for the RH bolster on the Passenger seat? Its not exactly fixing anything but its free :D
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:15 pm

Teapot wrote:Hi, Funny how you should mention this. Just bought a E36 Coupe for wife the seats are the Silvery/Grey Leather the rears are mint but the front are really creased with the ingrained look. Have been considering the restoration route for the past couple of days but not to sure on the whole about the dye and how easy it is to match the colour. Any advice.
Yes www.gliptone.co.uk

You need the scuff Master kit (Circa £45), ring them up, and then from under the rear seat base cut off a sample of your leather (will be as new from under there), they will match it exactly and mix the dye and send it to you in the kit, an exact match every time. It will come with full set of instructions, so you can't go wrong; as ever it is all in the prearation, so take your time, and good luck with it.
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:15 pm

would you be intrested in recovering all the bolsters on my seats for me in leather?
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:18 pm

[quote="jam172"]No, this is not a money making exercise, and i really don't have the time to do them for other people to be honest, but if you bought them round i could show you how to take them apart and reasemble them, including removing the damaged cloth/leather panels; or i could PM you instructions.

this is what the man said matey :x
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:18 pm

anisotropy wrote:I'm just curious -is it difficult to swap the RH bolster on the driver's seat for the RH bolster on the Passenger seat? Its not exactly fixing anything but its free :D
It's also exactly what i did this weekend, but from two sets of seats in my case.

Is it a back rest bolster or a base bolster?
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:25 pm

1an wrote:would you be intrested in recovering all the bolsters on my seats for me in leather?
Ian, come on you can do this yourself, believe me winkeye

Just to clarify, i don't do other peoples seats, the only economical way for you to put leather in your e30 is to search for doner seats, ie buy two good passenger seats, regardless of whether they are the same colour or not, the bolster covers are interchangeable, you remove the leather from the frames and put them on which ever seat you want, and then colour them if needed.
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:40 pm

What's the deal with changing the center then as mine has sagged on my recaros in my E21, and was going to get them done at some point, but if it's relatively easy DIY job, then I'd like to know how to go about it.

Cheers.

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Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:04 am

kam wrote:What's the deal with changing the center then as mine has sagged on my recaros in my E21, and was going to get them done at some point, but if it's relatively easy DIY job, then I'd like to know how to go about it.

Cheers.

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The centre squab is held on just with plastic strip at the front / fitted round metal bar at the rear, plus metal wire loops holding it to the wires of the seat frame.

You need to take the seat back off and unbolt the seat hinges to slide the metal bar out at the rear.
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kam wrote:What's the deal with changing the center then as mine has sagged on my recaros in my E21, and was going to get them done at some point, but if it's relatively easy DIY job, then I'd like to know how to go about it.

Cheers.

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Kam, i have not worked on E21 seats before and i'm assuming that you are talking about the seat base?

If they are similar to the E30 seats, replacing the centres are the easiest job.

This is how you would change the centre on an E30 sports seat:

1. Slide the seat all the way back and undo the front bolts, then all the way forward and undo the rears.

2. With the seat still in the car tilt it sideways and undo the seat belt mounting, lift the seat out the car.

3. Place the seat on a bench/table at a suitable height as you will be leant over it for some time :x .

4. Tip the seat forward so it is leaning on the top of the back rest (having removed the headrest first) at the hinge point on the bottom of the back rest cover you will see 2 cross head screws, remove them.

5. Put the seat right way up and carefully raise the back rest cover up, there are two hidden clips at the headrest end holding the top.

6. You can now see inside the frame of the back rest, there are two recesses, one either side and close to the bottom, remove the two large cross head screws from within.

7. Undo the plastic hinge point covers and set aside with all the other items removed.

8. Looking into the area where you have removed the back rest cover, carefully prize the wire out from the seat back lever (the one that allows you to let rear passengers in) follow this wire down the inside of the backrest frame and bend out tabs holding it back.

9. Viewing the hinge mechanisms, the same wire (hoop ends) leave these attached to the hinge points and feed the wire out through the gap in the back rest side bolster and finally remove the nylon gromit, you will see that you can now lift the back rest off the base.

All that sounds alot more difficult than it is, it is just long winded to describe :roll:

Please note that if you want to replace the base side bolsters other dismantling will be required. :cry:

10. Remove the seat belt receiver (bolts into either end of a bar that holds the back of the seat base fabric) and turn the seat base upside down, carefully prize the bar out of the hinge point either side, this will release the back of the runners and slide the bar out through the fabric loop.

11. At the front of the seat base, remove the clip and pin that secures the arm for the adjustable bolster and then carefully with a flat screwdriver lift the metal securing tabs/spikes from around the underside of it as well as the plastic strip that will now pull off from the long edge.

12. With the seat base still upside down, you will see that the foam in the base is clipped with "Hog Rings" through the the seat springs and in some places to the edge ot the side bolsters, you will need to tug and twist these out with snipe nosed pliers (keep them and using the snipe nose pliers you will need to bend these backinto a u shape to reclip the new base).

13. Finally look for the other metal tabs/spikes across the back edge of the seat frame and pull the material, bend up the tabs and lift the material off them, the seat base will now be released.

NOTE PUTTING THE HOG RINGS BACK IN THROUGH THE FOAM IS A BA**ARD, you will need to put a cushion between your bench and the finshed side of your base (with the seat upside down between the bolsters) and push the U shaped rings (that you rebent earlier) down into the foam with you snipe nosed pliers and then at the same time turn them so you have the points facing you and then sqeeze them closed around a seat spring. :x

Good luck, it is not as bad as it sounds, it will all fall int place as you go.


Refitting the new base a building the seat back up is the same process in reverse.
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Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:57 am

I have used Gliptone's product twice and endorse all that jam172 says about it.First time was a full set of comfort leather seats for the 4 door E30,made them look much better,second use was for the rear bench in the Daimler,to match to new leather covers on the front seats.Well impressed.
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Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:18 pm

Sounds Good Jam172 and Chris-W. I was actually talking about the center back, the bit your back actually rests on, but the base will need doing at some point too. So I will give it a go.
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Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:21 pm

Jam, well done for taking the time to write that. I have rebuilt a few sets of seats also, and the first ones were really hard without any help! This is a helpfull guide.

Gliptone is awsome stuff, i have used it on 3 leather interiors and it always works amazingly well.
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kam wrote:Sounds Good Jam172 and Chris-W. I was actually talking about the center back, the bit your back actually rests on, but the base will need doing at some point too. So I will give it a go.
The back rest centre is much easier, follow steps 1-8, skip 9-11, and then the process picks up the same forv 12 and 13.
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bmwe30mtech wrote:Jam, well done for taking the time to write that. I have rebuilt a few sets of seats also, and the first ones were really hard without any help! This is a helpfull guide.

Gliptone is awsome stuff, i have used it on 3 leather interiors and it always works amazingly well.
No problem, just about covers most of it except to add that to change the side bolsters on the back rest, you really need to remove the centres first, same with the base, the side bolsters are again hog ringed through a wire running along the lenth of the bolster and fixed to the edges of the springs, and then on the other edge of the bolster they are hooked onto the tabs/spikes YOU MUST FIX THE RING THROUGH THE WIRE SIDE BEFORE HOOKING ONTO THE TABS.

The only parts i haven't mentioned, so i might as well now, is to remove the base side bolsters, you need to release the hinge mechanisms as follows:

1. Remove the front adjustable bolster knob (can be quite tight),to remove the plastic side cover is one plastic spike, lever under the cover not the spike or you will break it, and slide forwards then remove the lever under the cover (star drive screw) if you are swapping a bolster from the handbrake side to the outside, just make a new hole for this lever spindle, no big deal.

2. In the centre of the hinge mechanism there is a little short lever, over a circlip, gently lever this out and remove the circlip (both sides)

3.Wedge a screw driver against the bar in the curved slot and rotate the hinge mechanism, it will then twist off out the way, allowing you to peel
the material off, once you have unhooked and removed rings as before.

That's everything i think. winkeye, oh yes if you are working on seats for a 4 door/touring, the backrest will lift straight off with no wires to worry about. Don't expect to get it all done in a hurry, it takes time and makes your fingers bloody sore.
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Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:46 am

jam172 wrote:
anisotropy wrote:I'm just curious -is it difficult to swap the RH bolster on the driver's seat for the RH bolster on the Passenger seat? Its not exactly fixing anything but its free :D
It's also exactly what i did this weekend, but from two sets of seats in my case.

Is it a back rest bolster or a base bolster?
Just re-found this thread wondered where it had got to :roll: its a base bolster Cheers
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Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:59 pm

Following on from this, I'm removing/replacing the actual covers that are stretched across the foam. How the hell do I make good the 3 loops that are attached to the inside of the covers and pulled into the foam to keep the covers tight in the middle??
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:26 am

This is not easy, loop the ties onto a piece of wire (in three seperate stages) gently push through the foam and tie each one onto the seat wires/springs, use a thin piece of plastic on each one to stop it pulling through and breaking the strings.
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Do you guys know how to remove the seat base cover from an e30 comfort cloth seat Passenger side)... How do you get the mechanisms off to remove the last part of the cover??
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Jay07 wrote:Do you guys know how to remove the seat base cover from an e30 comfort cloth seat Passenger side)... How do you get the mechanisms off to remove the last part of the cover??
Mechanisms at each side?
The back has to be off, and the 17mm bolt at the bottom out.
Little L shaped piece that goes up the middle tube just levers out, remove the circlip, and then rotate the plate while pushing a spring loaded peg out of the way at the back, until the whole plate lifts off.
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Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:37 am

Basically ive peeled off the seat cover as far back as the hinge. The sponge has come out leaving just the seat cover. There are two pieces of material that slip down the back of the seat (where the back rest and bottom custion would meet), one that hooks on to the metal and the other is a loops that goes around a bar. Ive managed to get these off too. What remains is the area of material that goes underneat the hinge sprung mechanism either side of seat base. It looks very complicated and i cant see where to begin.

With regards to what youve said brian... its confusing - The whole of the back rest is a single piece of trim that is held of by 2 cross head screws at the bottom end and a couple of clips. I dont see how this will release the lower seat. Is there a bar that runs all the way through the base

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just took these craps pics to help the hinge mech above is what i have to get off to get the last of the cover off! ?

Is this what you meant or am i talking about something completely different! Thanks for the time and help as always!
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Please excuse the double post... spadge pointed out this thread - thats how it happened - my bad!
Please reply here.... Jason :o:
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It is very, very easy to remove that whole plate when you know how! I do it regularly to convert passenger seats into driver's seats.
The seat back doesn't appear to be off in your pics, and the 17mm bolt that holds the adjuster plate to the runners has to come out.
That's the mechanism I'm referring to. The tear drop shaped piece immediately above the middle of the gas strut in your first pic. just flips out, and the circlip is underneath it.
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Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:54 am

Its good to know that you've done it a few times... it means i'll get it done at some point.

Ok now im feeling dumb! The back of the chair is off but i cant see a 17mm bolt any where?
The tear shaped bits are really tight i stuck a screw driver in there and tried to flick them out but it didnt happen (maybe im being too delicate) I can see the circ clip underneath it!
The 17mm bolt you refer to, does this bolt have to come off first? - Which leaves the problem of finding it?
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Ok managed to flick out the tear shaped clip. And the circ clip is off but it wont come off yet.

Brian please can you clarify, Does the backrest have to come off all together leaving just the base and the mechanism for this process to work?

My question about the bolt location still stand, i cant find it!

1 other thing is the round black runner, this also goes through the mechanism and is connected to the framework of the seat does the top of that pop off too?

Thankyou

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Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:21 pm

By back, I mean the whole back, not just the cover panel!
Two largish cross head screws about 3/4 of the way down. Unscrew these and the whole back lifts off - It sits on two tapering spikes, and the screws just lock it on. It's these screws working loose that results in the seat frame cracking and MOT failure, BTW.
The 17mm bolt is right where the frame joins the runners - the same one that holds on the seat belt end on one side.
The whole adjuster panel has to turn to lift it off, but it's prevented from doing so by a large spring loaded latch near the back.
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Ok Brian as in the the picture the back is completely off! Both the tear shaped clips are off! All 17mm bolts are out!

But the mech wont come off yet!

How do i get the mechanism to turn? what needs to be done with regards to the spring loaded latch?

Nothing is ever easy!

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Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:45 pm

Jay, are you still stuggling with this or have you now sussed it? Sorry, i haven't been on the forum for a few days.
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Struggling Dude that last post was done earlier today... Can you help? :(
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Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:30 pm

Right at the bottom of the plate in your last pic there is a curved slot with a large hole at the left hand side. There is a mushroom shaped pin in the slot, which is prevented from getting to the large hole (that it can pass through) by the spring loaded latch. It's all very simple when you suss it out!
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:20 am

WOOOOOOHOOOO GOT YA!!!! :D :D :D :D :D VERY SIMPLE WHEN YOU KNOW HOW!!!! It popped right off!!! Keep an eye out just in case i cant put it all back together. Thanks O'b'1 I really appreciate your patience and help....Jason :D
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