possible hydraulically lockable (EH) diff conversion?

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Post Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:32 pm

i recently bought a wierd medium case EH diff from ebay. it's for a E34 525ix (4x4 thingy) and had a 3.38:1 ratio which i intended to rob.

since pulling the thing apart, i've found it's rather cool!
there is a hydraulic line that attaches to a hydralic cylinder on the n/s input flange. this pushes on some meaty thrust bearings and locks up a 7 plate clutch! winkeye

anyone had a play with one of these things? i'm trying to gather info as i'm tempted to try and fit it to my 335i :D

comparison between a E30 large case diff and the EH one:
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the LSD pack:
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the hydraulic cylinder:
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the 7 plate clutch :twisted:
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the control gubbins 8O
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does anyone know much about these?
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Post Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:49 am

gareth wrote:
does anyone know much about these?
i know they look very cool when taken to bits winkeye

sorry Gareth as usual i can be of little help
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Post Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:17 pm

If you put a hydraulic feed to it surely it would lock up?

So surely you could have a second handbrake lever that is hydraulic and lock the diff whenever you want.
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Post Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:00 pm

Toby_Unna wrote:
gareth wrote:
does anyone know much about these?
i know they look very cool when taken to bits winkeye

sorry Gareth as usual i can be of little help
no worries, amusing all the same! :D
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Post Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:08 pm

chu346 wrote:If you put a hydraulic feed to it surely it would lock up?

So surely you could have a second handbrake lever that is hydraulic and lock the diff whenever you want.
yup!

the piston area on the diff looks very large so a hydraulic handbrake lever would probably have too small a piston resulting in huge travel.

i've heard that the fateful vauxhall 4x4 (cav / calibra turbo) system uses electronic control to regulate the hydraulic pressure from the pas pump to the chocolate transfer box. maybe the valve setup from this could be adapted? there are a lot of breakers out there! then i could rig up a diff lock button :cool:
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Post Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:21 pm

gareth wrote:
chocolate transfer box
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Post Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:21 am

I have same diff from 525ix laying in my garage. Sometimes i'm thinking about using it in e30, oil pressure thing probably is doable, but differential control is another story, i doubt that manual locking/unlocking is comfortable.. And racing differential computers are very expensive and complex.
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Post Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:08 pm

cool, do you have ano of the other bits that went with it?

all i would want is an open diff til i lock it solid! :D winkeye :twisted:
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Post Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:01 am

gareth wrote:cool, do you have ano of the other bits that went with it?
Probably no, i was breaking this car one year ago and after garage cleaning many small stuff is gone now :o:
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Post Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:48 pm

oh well. for the time being, i'm probably just going to rob the crownwheel and pinion from it and build up a 3.38:1 E30 LSD.

maybe revisit this in the future. i suspect this would be just the tool for someone drag racing or drifting but for road use, it's probably a bit silly unless computer controlled... sod that! :D
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Post Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:50 pm

gareth wrote:oh well. for the time being, i'm probably just going to rob the crownwheel and pinion from it and build up a 3.38:1 E30 LSD.

maybe revisit this in the future. i suspect this would be just the tool for someone drag racing or drifting but for road use, it's probably a bit silly unless computer controlled... sod that! :D
surely you could rig up some pipework to give you like 3 manual locking stages..

say 25% (on road LSD)

50% (drag and track use)

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Post Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:29 pm

possible but it would need some form of exhausting pressure valve connected to the PAS system. not easy and i'd rather spend the time / money on other stuff now i think about it!

a nice idea though :D
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Post Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:36 pm

multistage valve similar idea to jcb ??

off position closes the feed to the diff from PAS system and pipes return back into resevoir. ??

the valve i have to control my loader on massey ferguson is what you want.

i can slowly raise or lower the arms by opening/closing valve, when i move to off the arms drop and preasure is released from the system and returned to resevoir.