How to kill yourself and friends driving e30

[nr]

Proves that bikers can wipe out people in cars if they really try (and themselves in the process of course). Puts a different spin on the "look out for the (poor little) bikers" type adverts on TV a while back!

Errr, I'm willing to bet that the driver pulled out on the bike, so it's hardly a case of "bikers wiping out people in cars". More like "driver would have been killed if it was a car, bike, lorry, bus, tractor, nuclear submarine etc. etc. that they pulled out in front of". Perhaps they might have got lucky and pulled out in front of someone on a segway, and we could have all laughed at it instead.

All that said, I think it's fair to say that the bloke/gurlie on the RVF/VFR was probably tramping on a fair bit to make that sort of a mess.

[tailoutcharlie]

man theres even more pics on there now,

[keri-WMS]

Bit random, but this is used as a police safety exhibit, (MODS - there's no bodies etc) - in fact you can see it's at a show from the people in the background.

How is that at a show ?
Thats the actual accident scene with people stood watching

http://www.ridingsun.com/motorcycles/ar ... 6_04.shtml

"All three involved (two in car and rider) were killed instantly. This graphic demonstration was placed at the Stockholm Motorcycle Fair by the Swedish Police and Road Safety Department. The sign above the display also noted that the rider had only recently obtained his license."

The police put the bike's speed at 250khp, it flipped the car over...

Pretty much makes it the bike's fault, under the speed limit it would have been the car's fault.

[gareth]

do i get the feeling my responsible big bro is trying to leave a lasting impression on my good self?

that pic does have the desired affect. i wil now try to avoid driving into things at 100mph fom now on. and to think, i'd not killed the rover off yet.


in all seriousness, we've all been pretty stupid at times and got away with it. maybe the forum would be 0.1% bigger if we all got away with it all of the time.

[Steve-E30]

I thought you were on about this thread not the biker

[ShepsEvo3]

I have a slide show emailed me a few weeks ago about how to crash a smart, it wasn't a smart car, but something bigger, I couldn't make it out, but it had hit a lorry head on at speed. Some VERY graphic pics of the driver. well, they pulled all his bits of body out and the pics are just

I don't know how to post them up, but if anyone pm's me thier email and can do I will gladly send.

[tailoutcharlie]

i wouldn't post them on the forum if i were you, just put a link to them, that way people can decide if they want to view them or not just host the pics with photobucket

[ShepsEvo3]

I couldn't if I wanted to...they really are grooosome. If anyone want me to email it to them for them to provide a link to it then please pm me.

[murran]

its not speed that kills people on the roads. its sheer lack of driving ability, including knowing what your car can and cant do! ie; him in that touring changing direction twice in v quick sucsession as he tried to weave between the trucks. setting up a pendulum effect. he set the car up for double the loading on the tyres for the second change of direction cus the cars weight on the (soft) suspension hasnt settled from the first. so then.... oh shiv ive lost it .. bang!!! its basic chassis dynamics. and the video shows in the way he slow the fu*k down before and or didnt react to the slide shows how didnt know his machine and how inexperienced he was. (and never will be) uk polices focus on speed when it comes to road safety is wrong. speed is only dangerous when you have no ability.

[HairyScreech]

experiance and knowing how to controll a car prevents accidents, not keeping to a relitivly meaningless number.

cant help thinking a course in skid controll might have helped.
either by allowing him to corect or him having the knowlege that a car will loop out when you pull a mindless stunt like that.

[tailoutcharlie]

agree with that, how easy is it for an inexperienced driver to hop into a relativly powerful rrd car and slide across a corner into oncoming traffic. may only be doing 20mph but if they cant control a skid what chance do they have.

and what chance does a gatso have of noticing anythings wrong?

LESS CAMERS MORE TRAFFIC COPS









my two cents

[HairyScreech]

stagered driving liscences.

5 stages
provisional
sub 100 bhp/ton
100- 200 /ton
200-400/ton
supercar.

to get the next you need to do more advanced driving course. say skid controll ect.

if your cought in a car thats over you limit then your banned.

if you dont have the right liscence you cant get insurance.


would do 3 things, save a lot of lives, reduce insurance, and prove that the issue isnt speed.

[tailoutcharlie]

good idea but can you imagin arguing power/ton ratios with a pissed off traffic copper, could work with engine sise though

Up to 1.2 no mods for first year (sorry max)
up to2.0 no mods for three years
then whatevr the hell you want

prob wouldn't be doable but i bet it would work

[HairyScreech]

bhp per ton is the only way to do it. it would be on the dvla register for each car. which any cop can access from a traffic car.

if you have somthing wild then when it hits the road it has to be weighed and roling roaded. not a big ball ache realy.

ford mondeo 1.8
mini cooper 1.3

i know which could get you into big trouble faster. and which one has the better power to weight.

its not the big engine.

106 gti = 1.6
land rover defender = 2.5 turbo

see my point?

[tailoutcharlie]

fair play

lets face it the government will never bother paying something so obvious until its too late.

think skid pan training should be part of the driving test or a requirment before getting a full liscence, plus its great fun

[murran]

plus im so dangerous doin 30mph cus im so bored im asleep. 45mph is my 30. least im awake!! ive not had a bump in nearly 7 years, so i think it works.

[gra325i]

must have missed it. i often come on here for 30 mins and just manage to skip through the for sale and engine swaps sections before the wife starts nagging!!!

"She didn't feel any pain" doesn't quite say it.

http://

fileclouds.c

om/cars/porsc

he_911_crash

Assemble this into a URL and you're there. Properly grim so you don't really want to (will stick in your mind for ever), but I've seen much, much worse...

Worst traffic RIP photos I've seen were a guy on a bike who used his momentum and a truck to seperate himself into: one arm+shoulder+head lump, both legs seperate from memory, torso, and contents of torso.

I will not be buying a bike.

OMG..that is a good advert to slow down..but ive seen worse too at least she's still in 1 piece (nearly) saw an accident a few years back when a biker chic fell off the back of a bike under the wheels of a following car he didn,t manage to stop in time and scraped her head along the ground for about 5/10 yards..wasn,t much left!!! apparently the biker didnt even notice she was gone till miles later i couldn't stop throwin up for hours after that.

[Cloggy Saint]

If that's the passenger on the ground in the yellow top, was he not wearing a seat belt??

[gareth]

motorbikes use a similar age/experience rule on what you can ride and when. why not cars?

that said, that could have been a 316i touring and it was the knob driving that caused the crash.

i pesonally think that all drivers should have to do a skid pan day as part of the test process. not necessarily before passing as there won't be enoigh experience to make use of it but say after 12 months. up until then, limit to 1300cc sor something.

[keri-WMS]

.....say after 12 months. up until then, limit to 1300cc sor something.

Maybe a "stage 2" driving license is the key. You'd need it to drive:

- Anything over 65bhp
- Anything rear wheel drive
- Anything over 1.0L
- Anything with a turbo (with the exception of turbo diesels, but still under 100mph/65bhp)
- Anything capable of over 100mph out of the factory
- Anything modified in ANY way other than paint/hifi, as while fitting alloys/brakes/big exhaust/spoilers are not going to make a car faster, it DOES show that the owner is "into cars" enough to be a much higher risk!!!

The test would be FWD and RWD spin/slide control, a "can you stop before the line?" thing and how to do motorway speed emergency stops while dodging things to try to drill out the panic-lockup-bang reaction.

Oh, and you have to wait a year before you can apply. If we all think back to our first six months to a year of driving I suspect most of us (including me) were WAY overconfident, and had a lot of near-misses!

[gazza]

re the seat belt ....at the speeds involved here a seat belt wont stop you coming out of the car it is very easy at that momentum to snap the seat belt or the passenger will pull the belt out by its mounts

i was more concerned by the furry thing near his head ....looks like his cat died as well

[HairyScreech]

the bike thing isnt a good example.

im 21, means im only just elegable to take direct access. rode a 50cc for a year and a cagiva mito for a bit.

my dad has bee riding clasic bikes for a long time, has had several bsa bikes, (bantam, b44 and a shooting star).

my dad considers me to be a far safer rider and a mich better bike rider than he is. when i took my cbt my instructor told me to seriously consider moto-trials as he hadnt seen first time controll like that before.


the reason? iv been downhill mountain bikeing for a long time, iv ridden in dry, rain, snow, ice, day and night. my bike controll and the understanding of how they do what they do is far superior to my dads, he admits i can do things with a bike that he just dosent understand.

he is considered a lower risk than me and has a full bike liscence, he could ride any bike on the planet if he wanted, yet he had problems with my mito, he found it twitchy and had real trouble controlling the brakes.

yet if he wanted he could have a brand new hyabusa and i couldnt.

skill not age.



its the reason so many "born again bikers" are being killed.

[gareth]

skill v age will always come into it but you're never going to find a situation where your real skill is tested for a drivers license.

i too came from mountain biking. simply cycling on the roads in poor weather can teach you more about road conditions etc than years expeience in a car will.

[murran]

the only reason id buy a hyabusa is to take the engine out any put it in a r300 superlight caterham or sumat!!
seriously tho half the drivers in this country cant even reverse park, so they're not goin to like they're driving licence taking off them till they learn how to correct some oversteer. i mean ive just been for a national b racing licence and demonstrating some car control wasnt even part of that. just had to do 3 laps showing i could maintain a good racing line and consistant "race" speed. didnt even overtake anyone while we were on track!!!

[keri-WMS]

http://funtasticus.com/20070727/absolutely-shocking

Update........... (all three E30 guys dead, the two tanker drivers survived)

Back on topic, not like me!

[ShepsEvo3]

All 3 E30 guys dead, hardly suprising, although I have seen cars ending up more damaged than that and people survived in them... The driver's side, although still severly damaged lookes like the driver could have survived? The 2 in the passenger side certainly didnt have a chance. But can only see one body of the guy who was sat in passenger front.

Its sad seeing that video and knowing they will be dead in litterally seconds from then.

[Steve-E30]

Its sad seeing that video and knowing they will be dead in litterally seconds from then.

+1

[Jon_Bmw]

Yep /\ all laughing away in the car as they are taped. Shame.

[Ajay325]

damn! PETROL IS CHEAP OUT THERE!

[Morat]

The current proposals to limit young drivers with young passengers, especially at night, are good ones imo. Too many times you hear of an 18yo driver killing a carful of his schoolmates. You know exactly what happened, young driver, high spirits - bang. I was guilty of a similar thing when I was 18 and crashed with my younger brother in the passenger seat. Luckily we both walked away, but its only when you are older that you realise how bloody lucky you were to survive.

[1an]

The current proposals to limit young drivers with young passengers, especially at night, are good ones imo. Too many times you hear of an 18yo driver killing a carful of his schoolmates. You know exactly what happened, young driver, high spirits - bang. I was guilty of a similar thing when I was 18 and crashed with my younger brother in the passenger seat. Luckily we both walked away, but its only when you are older that you realise how bloody lucky you were to survive.

somebody who is actually talking some sense,

we should do it like the Americans, only be allowed to drive during the day and only carry 1 passenger.

but limiting you to a certain engine size in my opinion is stupid, why should i have to drive around in a 1.1 fiesta? yes im 17 and own a 316 e30 but i have been caught short a couple of time due to driver error, but that is purely because i was niave to the fact that a 1.6 e30 would go sideways,

but i do agree that you should have to do some form of skid pan driving in your driving lessons, but then a driving test is only to show that you can handle a car, as i will fully put my hands up and say i dont drive like i did 4 months ago when i past my test to how i do now,

[tailoutcharlie]

we should do it like the Americans, only be allowed to drive during the day and only carry 1 passenger.

so your a father two, which kid do you take to the zoo and which do you leave at home???

or its 12.30am your girlfriend/boyfriend/mum/brother etc needs to go to A+E for whatever reason, you cant take them cos your not allowed out at night.

and forget ever going to the cinema again!!!


more trianing for new drivers is the only way to actually make a dent in those satistics, if only the government would pump some money into that instead of stretching the allready overworked police even more


IMO or course

[stickupkid11]

what a mess! take it from some one who knows doesnt matter how good of a driver you are it will go wrong and when it does it hurts, i have the scare to prove it!!

[stickupkid11]

we should do it like the Americans, only be allowed to drive during the day and only carry 1 passenger.

so your a father two, which kid do you take to the zoo and which do you leave at home???

or its 12.30am your girlfriend/boyfriend/mum/brother etc needs to go to A+E for whatever reason, you cant take them cos your not allowed out at night.

and forget ever going to the cinema again!!!


more trianing for new drivers is the only way to actually make a dent in those satistics, if only the government would pump some money into that instead of stretching the allready overworked police even more


IMO or course

i agree.young drivers should be restricted on what cars they can have thou.

[murran]

the problem is "how good a driver you think you are"!!!!!!!! once id been driving a few years i became aware of something i can only describe as a sixth sence. its spooky sometimes, examples like; knowing when someones going to pull out on you. to; this one time bout a year ago, i was racing my mate si in his mk5 escort xr3i 130 round some back street in sheff on the way home from work (i was in my trusty 87 golf gti). came up to this 90 degree blind corner that we both slid round at a stupid speed the day before. but on that day somethig said to me "back off john" and as si went round the corner there was a fork lift loading a lorry in the middle of the road. as he rounded the bend he locked all the brakes up and span round, as i trundled round the corner laughing at him as he was facing the wrong way with a fork lift driver swearing at him. if id tore round the corner as the day before id have been straight into the side of him. that sent a shiver down my back when i thought bout it later on..... is it just experiance im describing?