I want this car :(

[Dr Firefly]

Anyone fancy buying it, keeping it in storage and maintaining it for 2 years till I start earning a decent wage?

Anyone....?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BMW-1985-M635csi- ... dZViewItem

[Gravy]

Mmmmm mmmmm, I love those!!!

[pacerpete]

Looks like a rusty M635 with some shocking council fake alpinas and a dubious 80s bodykit, did i miss something ?

[maxfield]

[BreadBin]

That's quite cheap for an M6

[Dr Firefly]

Looks like a rusty M635 with some shocking council fake alpinas and a dubious 80s bodykit, did i miss something ?

Isn't that an Mtec bodykit? Says it's original. And I'd change the wheels, I grant that. But it's an M635 with only 98k - can't be too bad if the rust hasn't got a strong hold...

And I bet it feels f#$king fast. Aren't these the same running gear as the E28 M5? So the same handling and performance, but better looks?

[BreadBin]

Aren't these the same running gear as the E28 M5? So the same handling and performance, but better looks?

Got it in a nutshell there

[bss325i]

Looks like a rusty M635 with some shocking council fake alpinas and a dubious 80s bodykit, did i miss something ?

I agree about the wheels but the 80's body kit is an original mtech kit for the e24 6 and is quite rare. I think the car looks great apart from the wheels, get some bbs rs's on there and it be perfect!

[snoops]

[fozzymandeus]

The MTec Kit on that car is because it's the earlier model with the chrome bumpers. The later ones have the cleaner looking M styling. If that car isnt rotten to hell I'll be bloody surprised... think about how most chrome bumpered E30s are these days...

The front wings will have gone, which is why there are chrome wheelarches on the car...

That said if it's only front wings it needs it's a good price IMO

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Aren't these the same running gear as the E28 M5? So the same handling and performance, but better looks?

Got it in a nutshell there

Looks subject to debate

[Dr Firefly]

Aren't these the same running gear as the E28 M5? So the same handling and performance, but better looks?

Got it in a nutshell there

Looks subject to debate

Must say I've never seen an M635csi in the flesh, and the M535 I have seen a lot of (I know it's not a real M5) was beautiful - if I went for an M5 I'd have to find one with the full Mtec kit on. From the pictures though I think M6's look really good - don't know if the E28 is just not as photogenic as the E24. Though I can't say I like the rear end of the E24s that much...

[nr]

That wing will be rotten as **** underneath. My outer wings have less rust than those ones, yet this is what they look like underneath:

http://www.neil.nu/images/photos/635/dsc01737.jpg

Also, the bonnet doesn't seem to fit too well. This is normally a sign that something is amiss in that area.

Still, if it goes for 4-5K I reckon that's not a bad deal, as long as the buyer realises that they need to spend probably the same again sorting out the rust. If they don't, it'll be another M6 to the scrappy in a couple of years when it gets beyond hope.

[tristan325]

Aren't these the same running gear as the E28 M5? So the same handling and performance, but better looks?

Close, but as it's the earlier e24, it's actually based on the old E12 platform. You can tell by the rear end. The engine was derived from the M1 and this car predates the e28 M5.

[pacerpete]

All M635s were based on an E28 chassis. 6 series went to the e28 chassis in 1982 for the '83 model year. The M635 and E28 M5s are virtually identical in every way mechanically.
As for the nasty bodykit, yes it is an original BMW M tech kit but that doesn't make it any nicer, truly nasty

[Andyboy]

It looks like a Dalek with that disgusting bodykit. To make it into a good car:

£500 for a new wing (or £1000 if the other one is wanked as well. No reason to suggest it's not.

£1000 worth of paint.

£1000 to do the timing chain - these are single row and 98k is pushing it.

£600 to get a set of decent 16 inch BBS wheels and tyres.

Plus everything else a 1985 6 Series needs (i.e everything). For £2500 it's okay but £5500 is a joke.

There are nixer cars about - look on ebay and there's a super clan W plate manual 635CSi with a dogleg box for less than this.

[nr]

Plus everything else a 1985 6 Series needs (i.e everything). For £2500 it's okay but £5500 is a joke.

If it goes for less than 4K I'll eat Bernard Manning's underpants. People *always* pay over the odds for an M6, 'cos it's a decision of the heart not the head. I can't remember where I read it now, but someone once said that a useable M6 is a 10K car. Either pay it now, or pay it later.

There are nixer cars about - look on ebay and there's a super clan W plate manual 635CSi with a dogleg box for less than this.

Sssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

[Jimbob]

On an old BMW thread debate...did the e28 M5 (yes, proper M5) ever come as standard as RHD? My mates garage has one in all the time and I finally got the chance to see it on Friday.

[Dr Firefly]

On an old BMW thread debate...did the e28 M5 (yes, proper M5) ever come as standard as RHD? My mates garage has one in all the time and I finally got the chance to see it on Friday.

I think there were 187 RHD UK M5s made, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

And that 635csi that's been mentioned - that's not an M is it, so the engine will be nowhere like as powerful? The bog-standard 3.5l from that time, ie that powering the M535i, regular 535i, and 635i, was just a 12v engine wasn't it, whereas the true Mpower cars had 24v? Or am I wrong?

[Onz]

that car is a beast! If i didnt just Buy a car I would have bought it straight away!

[BreadBin]

On an old BMW thread debate...did the e28 M5 (yes, proper M5) ever come as standard as RHD? My mates garage has one in all the time and I finally got the chance to see it on Friday.

I think there were 187 RHD UK M5s made, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

And that 635csi that's been mentioned - that's not an M is it, so the engine will be nowhere like as powerful? The bog-standard 3.5l from that time, ie that powering the M535i, regular 535i, and 635i, was just a 12v engine wasn't it, whereas the true Mpower cars had 24v? Or am I wrong?

No mate you are right all the way, 187 M5s, 635csi just had the 12v M30 lump with 218bhp not the 24v 286bhp rightness

[nr]

And that 635csi that's been mentioned - that's not an M is it, so the engine will be nowhere like as powerful? The bog-standard 3.5l from that time, ie that powering the M535i, regular 535i, and 635i, was just a 12v engine wasn't it, whereas the true Mpower cars had 24v? Or am I wrong?

Spot on - the 635CSi and highline models had an M30, rated at 211bhp [1]. The M6 had the 24V S38 lump, rated at 286bhp.

[1] Also the 628CSi, 630CS, 630CSi and 633CSi had various versions of the M30.

[Andyboy]

The M6 is a car I have never warmed to. They aren't as quick as the 3.8 M5 and they're all (well, 90%) sacks or rusty shit that look too much like any other old 6 Series. £10k buys a good uptogether 911SC which although flawed is a much more interesting car whilst the E30 M3 (and the E36) were much better driver's cars.

The W plate 635CSi is indeed an old 2 valve M30. But with the close ratio gearbox they used to go very well - fast enough for a wobbly old 6 Series anyway.

[BreadBin]

The W plate 635CSi is indeed an old 2 valve M30. But with the close ratio gearbox they used to go very well - fast enough for a wobbly old 6 Series anyway.

LOL!

[nr]

The M6 is a car I have never warmed to. They aren't as quick as the 3.8 M5 and they're all (well, 90%) sacks or rusty shit that look too much like any other old 6 Series. £10k buys a good uptogether 911SC which although flawed is a much more interesting car whilst the E30 M3 (and the E36) were much better driver's cars.

Oddly enough, despite the M6 being the second car in my fantasy garage , I agree with you 100%. Every one I've seen (bar one) has been a rusty heap of crap that was once great and isn't any more, and you can get far more for your money elsewhere. If you want a better BMW for less money, an E34 M5 will fit the bill nicely. Then again, even the latest M6 suffers the same problem - the M5 is all round a better car for less money. I can't say the same about the E36 M3 though. I've driven a few, and it's just not a car I can muster any enthusiasm for really. Perhaps I'm just not a good enough driver to get the best out of it.

I guess the best way to look at it is that the M635CSi is BMWs version of Marmite. On wheels.

Personally, I'd love one, even though I know it would be almost impossible to live with day to day.

If anyone fancies a slice of genuine old M series action, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0106900147 could be a nice little project. If my project E24 wasn't currently taking up my garage, shed, a friends barn and all my disposable income I'd be dead tempted myself. It's a bit of a shitter, but how many E12 M5s do you see around these days? I think I can honestly say I've never seen another on the road.

[tristan325]

All M635s were based on an E28 chassis. 6 series went to the e28 chassis in 1982 for the '83 model year. The M635 and E28 M5s are virtually identical in every way mechanically.
As for the nasty bodykit, yes it is an original BMW M tech kit but that doesn't make it any nicer, truly nasty

Just pulled this from this site http://www.bmwworld.com/models/e24.htm

I feel partly vindicated?

The initial models of the E24 were the 630 CS and 633 CSi. The 633 had a 3210cc six-cylinder fuel injected engine producing 200bhp at 5500 rpm. The 630 CS had a 2986cc six-cylinder engine with a Solex 4A1 carburetor developing 184bhp at 5800 rpm.

Standard transmission on both models was a 4-speed Getrag 262/9, with an optional 3 gear ZF HP-22 auto transmission.

The suspension was a heritage from the E12 5-series, but it was refined for even better performance. Later, the 635 CSi, L6 and M6 models were produced.

This link confirms that M635csi pre dates the E28 m5

http://www.bmwworld.com/models/m6.htm

[tristan325]

The M6 had the 24V S38 lump, rated at 286bhp.

Actually it was an M88/3, a variation of the lump found in the M1

See here
http://www.bmwworld.com/models/m6.htm

[samannavid]

Anyone fancy buying it, keeping it in storage and maintaining it for 2 years till I start earning a decent wage?

if there is any one who doesn't want it, please report i
know a very good mental hospital!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BMW-1985-M635csi- ... dZViewItem

[BreadBin]

I quite fancy that engine in an e30 touring

[Andyboy]

All M635s were based on an E28 chassis. 6 series went to the e28 chassis in 1982 for the '83 model year. The M635 and E28 M5s are virtually identical in every way mechanically.
As for the nasty bodykit, yes it is an original BMW M tech kit but that doesn't make it any nicer, truly nasty

Just pulled this from this site http://www.bmwworld.com/models/e24.htm

I feel partly vindicated?

The initial models of the E24 were the 630 CS and 633 CSi. The 633 had a 3210cc six-cylinder fuel injected engine producing 200bhp at 5500 rpm. The 630 CS had a 2986cc six-cylinder engine with a Solex 4A1 carburetor developing 184bhp at 5800 rpm.

Standard transmission on both models was a 4-speed Getrag 262/9, with an optional 3 gear ZF HP-22 auto transmission.

The suspension was a heritage from the E12 5-series, but it was refined for even better performance. Later, the 635 CSi, L6 and M6 models were produced.

This link confirms that M635csi pre dates the E28 m5

http://www.bmwworld.com/models/m6.htm

You're still wrong though and that stuff is only partly correct. The E28 arrived in July 1981 but the 6 Series was based on the older E12 chassis until May 1982. The M635CSi went into production during 1984 and the M5 a year later. Every M635CSi ever built is based on an E28 chassis. All E28's from 518 to M5 use the same chassis with variations on anti roll bars, springs and dampers.

[tristan325]

All M635s were based on an E28 chassis. 6 series went to the e28 chassis in 1982 for the '83 model year. The M635 and E28 M5s are virtually identical in every way mechanically.
As for the nasty bodykit, yes it is an original BMW M tech kit but that doesn't make it any nicer, truly nasty

Just pulled this from this site http://www.bmwworld.com/models/e24.htm

I feel partly vindicated?

The initial models of the E24 were the 630 CS and 633 CSi. The 633 had a 3210cc six-cylinder fuel injected engine producing 200bhp at 5500 rpm. The 630 CS had a 2986cc six-cylinder engine with a Solex 4A1 carburetor developing 184bhp at 5800 rpm.

Standard transmission on both models was a 4-speed Getrag 262/9, with an optional 3 gear ZF HP-22 auto transmission.

The suspension was a heritage from the E12 5-series, but it was refined for even better performance. Later, the 635 CSi, L6 and M6 models were produced.

This link confirms that M635csi pre dates the E28 m5

http://www.bmwworld.com/models/m6.htm

You're still wrong though and that stuff is only partly correct. The E28 arrived in July 1981 but the 6 Series was based on the older E12 chassis until May 1982. The M635CSi went into production during 1984 and the M5 a year later. Every M635CSi ever built is based on an E28 chassis. All E28's from 518 to M5 use the same chassis with variations on anti roll bars, springs and dampers.

Hmmm, I understand what you're saying, but if you look at the back end of the car in the op's link it clearly has the earlier rear end??!! I for one am very confused. If they changed to the E28 chassis in 82 why didn't the bodywork update occur at the same time?

[tristan325]

Ohhh and I'm flattered that it took two days for a retort

[pacerpete]

The dog in question is quite obviously a facelift car with a wrap around rear bumper, albeit with a nasty m tech rear apron attached to it. There are lots of detail differences between e12 and e28 chassied cars , the most obvious though is the rear bumper. 6 series had a final facelift for the '88 model year when the hiline was launched with big u.s style impact bumpers,ellipsoidal lights and extended leather trim. They all have one thing in common, they are shockingly rusty moneypits !

[tristan325]

Oops! I only saw the plasticy bit above. I am suitably chastised and shall hang my head for the next 30 seconds.

I agree on the rusty money pit remark! My brother had a 635i for a few months, it was was worse than my e21!

[jam172]

Andyboy you are spot on correct as i have learn't the hard way there is no such thing as a bargain genuine M power car. Buy the best you can, buy one that has done over 100k and had the chain done at between £2-£3k! and don't but a rusty E24 wings £450 each + Vat.

As my user id says, mine is E28 M5 Nr 172 of 187 RHD uk cars. (see my pictures in "i'm new")