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It's beyond me too Malcolm. But like I've tried to say above, the problem is endemic and hasn't been addressed for more than 3 years. Just very occasionally someone comes along and gets made a scapegoat of.tylerma wrote:this place isnt a school playground
so why some people feel the need to act like it is beyond me
couldnt agree moreE30BeemerLad wrote:I think Twiggy ultimately was the author of his own misfortune in the end, when the mods started with the 2 strikes whatever. He had been wound up by other members and when told to cool it he was still steaming.
The damage is done now and people won't sort this out for sake of losing face, but really he should have just been sat on the naughty chair and allowed back into the action once he'd cooled off.
Choo Choo
I aggree with you Malc, it is a good healty discussion. Twiggy did fly off the handle abit, but he also was pushed into loseing it aswell. Now i just hope that the few on here that did push him, dont find anouther person to gang up on. What would happen if this did happen again and the next victim lost it because of this, would the victim be banned? or would the one's that gang up on certain people be banned? I think Twiggy is sound, but unfortunately was the victim of bullying constantly from these few members. But i also think in the end he gave as good as he got. All of the people that was involved were warned, but i think for Twiggy it had gone past that for him, and he had passed caring. All i hope is that the Mod's and Admin will work together to make sure that this 4 people on to 1 person bully boy tactics is knocked on the head so it dont happen again and again.tylerma wrote:I dont see why this post would be edited or deleted
its a good healty discussion
but the minute it turns like most of twiggy's threads did
I.e. insulting, slagging people off and foul language
when he didnt get his own way
it will be
this place isnt a school playground
so why some people feel the need to act like it is beyond me
Well put Vinni.vinni wrote:I aggree with you Malc, it is a good healty discussion. Twiggy did fly off the handle abit, but he also was pushed into loseing it aswell. Now i just hope that the few on here that did push him, dont find anouther person to gang up on. What would happen if this did happen again and the next victim lost it because of this, would the victim be banned? or would the one's that gang up on certain people be banned? I think Twiggy is sound, but unfortunately was the victim of bullying constantly from these few members. But i also think in the end he gave as good as he got. All of the people that was involved were warned, but i think for Twiggy it had gone past that for him, and he had passed caring. All i hope is that the Mod's and Admin will work together to make sure that this 4 people on to 1 person bully boy tactics is knocked on the head so it dont happen again and again.
Vinni.
*avoids the politics of this thread*march109 wrote:Um actually simian IP addresses are refreshed everytime you connect to the internet, except for me at work because work pays for a static address. Back in the old days of dial up modems it was a nightmare.simian wrote:Most forum programs will let you ban the ip address, email address and name(s).bmwe30mtech wrote:Cant he just re-register under a different name, and start posting again? Would be good for him to see this thread, im sure more zoners would be in favour of him on here than against. From what i saw he was wound up by a select few regular zoners. (who of course wont be banned)
He could change his ip with a simple free application but thats down to him (and a quick google search for 'ip changer') to decide...
These days with broadband most people don't disconnect enough to notice, but if you turn your router off your IP will be assigned to the next person to connect to your ISP, turn it on and you'll be allocated the next available IP in a list.
I think your thinking of a proxy server, which I use at work to view naughty sites! and you can use to slightly disguise your IP if your not clever enough to turn it off then on again!
duke wrote: I could throw a spastic round a corner with better precision
stu, I explicitly explained the reassons behind twiggy's dismissal to you, as you requested. If simon13 had used similar language he would have been treated similarly.essbee wrote:
I have been a member of E30 zone for 3 years (on the old forum in those days). I have enquired of the "powers that be" more than once why it is that certain people can get away with posting in a manner that I could construe as offensive and yet I have had several posts either removed or edited with no explanation (Only once have I publicly dissed, flamed or been discourteous to any other member). As yet, I have never even had a response to my enquiries.
So, IMHO, the Mods and Admin here are allowing the lunatics to run the asylum, as you put it.
Admin, it's over to you......
Let's see what happens to this post. I've taken a copy just in case it gets edited or deleted.
Dave, you're entitled to your opinion mate, and its appreciated!d6dph wrote:Must agree with Andy, Not trying to second guess the admin team, but banning Twiggy because he is a little hotheaded seems a tad harsh.
Does the board not have a post watch facility where you can place the "offender" into a group then their posts do not show on the public forum until they are approved by admin?
This seems a fairer way than banning IMO.
I await my first warning
you are on the right track.simian wrote:*avoids the politics of this thread*march109 wrote:Um actually simian IP addresses are refreshed everytime you connect to the internet, except for me at work because work pays for a static address. Back in the old days of dial up modems it was a nightmare.simian wrote: Most forum programs will let you ban the ip address, email address and name(s).
He could change his ip with a simple free application but thats down to him (and a quick google search for 'ip changer') to decide...
These days with broadband most people don't disconnect enough to notice, but if you turn your router off your IP will be assigned to the next person to connect to your ISP, turn it on and you'll be allocated the next available IP in a list.
I think your thinking of a proxy server, which I use at work to view naughty sites! and you can use to slightly disguise your IP if your not clever enough to turn it off then on again!
hmm..... i may be thinking of mac addresses not ip's then...
Though I swear your static ip address stays the same...Hence the static name.. I'll bow out now though. I build pc's... i dont know how they work, I just screw them together.
Yes, you are the horses mouth as you put it. I fully understand and agree that Pete's conduct was unacceptable but as I posted above, I have had posts and threads edited and/or deleted with no explanation. When I enquire as to why this is happening I get no response. How are we to know what the Team find unacceptable if they don't explain?what exactly do you want you have had several mods acknowledge and reply to this thread and give answers to questions is that not satisfactory are we not in theory "the horses mouth"
He is indeed cooling off. He's staying off the forums he's a member of while he tries to sort other things that are affecting him.hes had a cooling off period.
Most forums have this facility, but as with everything else, it's up to the Administrators (it's usually above Moderator access level) if they have the time or inclination to use it.Does the board not have a post watch facility where you can place the "offender" into a group then their posts do not show on the public forum until they are approved by admin?
I totally agree, and so does Pete.he pushed thinking it wouldnt happen and it has
Yes Neil, you did, and I accept what you have told me and appreciate your honesty. But as at the top of this post, for me this has become something other than a defence of Pete. More a case if asking the Team here for a bit more "glasnost" - more transparancy if you like. .....And more of a level playing field.stu, I explicitly explained the reassons behind twiggy's dismissal to you, as you requested.
If by that you mean that I'm not aware that Mods have been replying to this thread, I an fully aware of their input and it is appreciated. However, there is a difference in authority between the Mods team and the Admin team, is there not?Mmmmm check back !!
OK Malcolm, I drop it here. PM to follow.tylerma wrote:Stu
if you have been mistreated
or had threads locked without reason
this has no bearing on this thread
and it will start taking it off topic
as you well know and pointed out
i did figure that- but above statment needed to be saidd6dph wrote:I know Neil, Was just taking the p*ss a little320Touring wrote: Dave, you're entitled to your opinion mate, and its appreciated!
id like to hold you to that!!320Touring wrote:
If simon13 had used similar language he would have been treated similarly.
dont you think that the mods admin team should have put a stop to it before it went as far as it did whether you like it or not there is a gang of bully's on this site which it appears are exempt from the rules of all us others.320Touring wrote:
As for all this "he was goaded into it" blah blah blah... As far as i'm aware, Pete is a grown man with a Wife and children, holding down a job and doing the best he can. Is he not also then old enough to be held responsible for his reactions?
Certainly taunts were given, but twiggy could have chose to ignore them. He's a big boy, and TBH i'd not have reckoned that anything that took place on a car forum would be considered as important in the grand scheme of things.
once again one rule for one person one for another what about the guys in this very thread talking about ip addresses is that not off topic?tylerma wrote:Stu
if you have been mistreated
or had threads locked without reason
this has no bearing on this thread
and it will start taking it off topic
hardly, if you read the thread it was part of the discussion, n it only went on for a couple of postswayneE30 wrote:once again one rule for one person one for another what about the guys in this very thread talking about ip addresses is that not off topic?tylerma wrote:Stu
if you have been mistreated
or had threads locked without reason
this has no bearing on this thread
and it will start taking it off topic
i did read the thread bud the whole thing before i posted and granted at the start of it there was a comment about twiggy changing his ip by searching google or sonthing along them lines but then on page 2 there is a completly off topic post and nothing said about itJhonno wrote:hardly, if you read the thread it was part of the discussion, n it only went on for a couple of postswayneE30 wrote:once again one rule for one person one for another what about the guys in this very thread talking about ip addresses is that not off topic?tylerma wrote:Stu
if you have been mistreated
or had threads locked without reason
this has no bearing on this thread
and it will start taking it off topic
do you even no what happened?wayneE30 wrote:id like to hold you to that!!320Touring wrote:
If simon13 had used similar language he would have been treated similarly.dont you think that the mods admin team should have put a stop to it before it went as far as it did whether you like it or not there is a gang of bully's on this site which it appears are exempt from the rules of all us others.320Touring wrote:
As for all this "he was goaded into it" blah blah blah... As far as i'm aware, Pete is a grown man with a Wife and children, holding down a job and doing the best he can. Is he not also then old enough to be held responsible for his reactions?
Certainly taunts were given, but twiggy could have chose to ignore them. He's a big boy, and TBH i'd not have reckoned that anything that took place on a car forum would be considered as important in the grand scheme of things.
im not gonna blame twiggy for what he done i think if i was in his shoes id be the same
Wayne
Stu hasn't got any beef with it, and appears happy to PM. So surely that clears that up.essbee wrote:OK Malcolm, I drop it here. PM to follow.tylerma wrote:Stu
if you have been mistreated
or had threads locked without reason
this has no bearing on this thread
and it will start taking it off topic
as you well know and pointed out
Hi Wayne. In the thread in question (the one tylerma created to warn the people involved)wayneE30 wrote:id like to hold you to that!!320Touring wrote:
If simon13 had used similar language he would have been treated similarly.dont you think that the mods admin team should have put a stop to it before it went as far as it did whether you like it or not there is a gang of bully's on this site which it appears are exempt from the rules of all us others.320Touring wrote:
As for all this "he was goaded into it" blah blah blah... As far as i'm aware, Pete is a grown man with a Wife and children, holding down a job and doing the best he can. Is he not also then old enough to be held responsible for his reactions?
Certainly taunts were given, but twiggy could have chose to ignore them. He's a big boy, and TBH i'd not have reckoned that anything that took place on a car forum would be considered as important in the grand scheme of things.
im not gonna blame twiggy for what he done i think if i was in his shoes id be the same
Wayne
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