E28 M5

[Toby_Unna]

[BIGMRLEE]

you need to make them fit andy, too many people keep saying they wont fit and i cant find none to have a go at forcing them on. send more pics as yor making the plate so i`ve an idea on how they will fit for when i can get sum

[Geeman]

Yeah, but Andy is putting them on his M30 engine... NOT an M20...

He's done the 'big six' conversion so these are far more likely to fit his engine than yours... sorry bud.

[Andy335Touring]

You probobly could fit them to an M20 with a custom manifold,but thats either big bucks to have made or a lot of work if you can make one your self.

Unless you've got a well modded M20 these TB's might be a bit to big for the engine to make full use of the extra air.My M30 has got an extra liter of capacity over the M20 and the head has been flowed/ported and it's got a schrick cam so it can make use of the extra air and hope fully it(i'm hoping for 270bhp APX ??) won't be to far off the power of the M5(286bhp) that the TB's came from.

What ECU are you going to use ?

I have been working on the adapter plate this week end but it's hard work drilling and cutting 20mm thick alloy plate.

I was going to secure the plate to the head with the inlet manifold studs and nuts but the TB's get in the way of the bottom row of studs/nuts.I'm going counter sink a hole in the plate so i can use allen bolts,the head will sit in counter sunk hole.



Ian(H35-Ian)has kindly lent me an adapter plate that he baught on Ebay.de so that i can copy from it,thats the plate in the picture.

My head port's are a bit bigger and a differant shape compared to the engine the that the plate was from.



Plenty of grinding bits are going to be needed as the ports on the plate will need care full shaping as will the ports on the TB's.

This picy shows an M30 inlet gasket held in front of the M5 TB's to show the differant port shapes.

[Geeman]

Not quite just a nut-and-bolt jobbie then...

[Andy335Touring]

Not quite just a nut-and-bolt jobbie then...

Yeh,far from it

[jonmsm]

Hey guys,

I'm new to the forum and i'm glad to see I am not the only E30 & E28 owner. I am the proud owner of an M535i at last but I have discovered that its overwhelming size is somewhat hindering me off the line but what a lovely car - its a keeper... so the decision has been made. I have just bought my first E30 off an e30 zone member and a good mate of mine Jon who just got a sweet 325 cab and my intentions are for his old 320 is an E28 3.5 engine.

Jon suggested that I should read around the forums here and there appears to be a massive wealth of knowledge here. I was wondering if anyone here has made this conversion and could give me some advice before i start buying an engine, gb mounts props diffs etc. or just generally knows anything about this sort of task! My shopping list from what I have been told ao far should be as follows:

e28 M535 engine
e28 manual gearbox (M535)
E30 M3 prop
E30 325 diff
E30 316i badge

Would love to hear from anyone who could offer any more info or photos of a conversion! (also if anyone knows any good life insurance policies - I feel it might be prudent to take one out once this monster is let loose!!)

regards - jonmsm

[Andy335Touring]

Hi John,welcome to the Zone

A chap on here called Toby Unna has done the swap using an E28 M30 and i think you have to use the sump and the oil pick up pipe(for the oil pump)from the later E34 M30.

Have a read of this thread as it has got some good info.

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... pic&t=5049

Any more questions just fire away !

If you want some picys/web sites then heres Toby's and my web pages.

http://www.tobyunna.com/

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.law47/33 ... uring.html

This is a good one

http://www.e30.de/335i/00.htm

[jonmsm]

Fantastic!! That is exactly the sort of info I was looking for! And, it appears Tony Unna has my exact project there in photos, a 335 with a 316 badge - pure genius if ever I saw one - bring on the saxo bashing... and for that matter, the jap car bashing!

now i have my next problem... where to put my 3 series as well as my 7 series and my M535... dilema!! Oh well, until then I have a trip to London with a friends jap import MR2 turbo... which is unfortunately at the moment unrivaled for performance in my circle of petrol heads but rest assured it will be quaking in its boots when the 335 nears completion!!!

Thanks again, I have many hours of happy reading to help me come down from a stressful shift at work!

[Geeman]

Jon... there's a few impending 335 projects on here... one mine, another DaveTouring's and Karan's got an E34 M5 project underway... plenty of support dude.

[jonmsm]

I have just read through all of the links andy left me above and there is some interesting conversions under way it seems. Glad to hear it thou as this is first time I have attempted anything like this. THe nearest I have been is doing and engine swap like for like in a fiesta... not quite the same considering you can pretty much lift the fiesta engine out of the top with just two people and no engine crane!

also, I hear the subject of engine mounts popping up everywhere. I know i need some specialist ones but where from?! also, possition 3 and 2, whats that all about?! I assume that the different engine possitions effect the weight dist. of the car and so the handelling?!?

was just wondering as well what you all do for a living and where you are from as I fear my budget might be a bit tight for this one as I am a student here in Loughborough!

thanks again for all the links and info. Next job - make sure the M535 is ready for my trip to Nurburgring in July.

[Ziggy]

Evenin guv Toby's the dude in Leicester, with a welder...



Guess which car's being resurrected everyone?!

[jonmsm]

cool cool jon. I like the little signature picture. lest it be know that the 320 will not RIP.. it is to see a whole new fate that will possibly make the scrappy seem like a peaceful retreat aferall! hehe.

so... Tody has a welder...

Tony... Do you like BMW 1602's by any chance, either that or does anyone fancy giving a novice some welding lessons. I have a 1602 that needs to pass an MOT so I can take its number plate for my M535 as it says JJO 999 N. However this little car needs 'some' weld work which involves sils, chassis rail patching and the patchwork cusion boot finishing ... fun fun fun

[Ziggy]

cool cool jon. I like the little signature picture. lest it be know that the 320 will not RIP.. it is to see a whole new fate that will possibly make the scrappy seem like a peaceful retreat aferall! hehe.

& very glad I am to hear it sig pic will be updated... when I can be ar$ed!

so... Tody has a welder...

Tony... Do you like BMW 1602's by any chance, either that or does anyone fancy giving a novice some welding lessons. I have a 1602 that needs to pass an MOT so I can take its number plate for my M535 as it says JJO 999 N. However this little car needs 'some' weld work which involves sils, chassis rail patching and the patchwork cusion boot finishing ... fun fun fun

Tody?! Tony?! He ain't gonna help you if you can't even get his name right

[Andy335Touring]

also, I hear the subject of engine mounts popping up everywhere. I know i need some specialist ones but where from?! also, possition 3 and 2, whats that all about?! I assume that the different engine possitions effect the weight dist. of the car and so the handelling?!?

P3 mounts the engine about an inch further back than P2.If you look at the M30 conversion engine mounts there is two hole choices for the rubber engine mounts to fit in to,ones for P2 the others P3.

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... pic&t=5277

was just wondering as well what you all do for a living and where you are from as I fear my budget might be a bit tight for this one as I am a student here in Loughborough!

I'm not far from Loughborough,i live in Long Eaton.I'd offer to take you out in the 335 but it's broken at the moment,see my sig pick !

Should be all fixed up in a week or two.

[Chaos]

P3 mounts the engine about an inch further back than P2.If you look at the M30 conversion engine mounts there is two hole choices for the rubber engine mounts to fit in to,ones for P2 the others P3.

surely the further back the better.
if it clears the bulkhead then y wud anyone want it mounted further forward, or do u have to do extra work to make it fit further back ?

[Andy335Touring]

P2 you don't touch the bulk head and P3 you have to hammer it a bit.

I went for P3 but some people don't want to touch the bulk head.

[Chaos]

P2 you don't touch the bulk head and P3 you have to hammer it a bit.

I went for P3 but some people don't want to touch the bulk head.

aha i thought it might be something like that

[Geeman]

Andy... What IS that in your sig pic...?

[Andy335Touring]

Have a read of this thread mate

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... pic&t=5864

[Geeman]

Holy Shit! I had no idea dude. Sorry fella!

That hole... unbelievable. So that's all the E30 M30 installs that have had major problems... kinda puts you off doing one!

[Andy335Touring]

I've got a replacement engine on its way to me this week and the head (touch wood) should be back this week as well,so i'll be back on the road soon !

I was missing it yester day,i was bored and i really really wanted to go for a drive !!

[Toby_Unna]

Holy sh*t! I had no idea dude. Sorry fella!

That hole... unbelievable. So that's all the E30 M30 installs that have had major problems... kinda puts you off doing one!

yeah you have to wonder don't you! i mean i'm not all that amazed mine let go as it was very cheap and had been standing ages (and the engine itelf might be ok yet i just haven't had time) but andy's really shouldn't have broken, it was such a good, well looked after motor.

at least m30s are cheap though! if i'd done that to an s38 i would have about killed myself!

[Toby_Unna]

I'm not far from Loughborough,i live in Long Eaton.I'd offer to take you out in the 335 but it's broken at the moment,see my sig pic !

Should be all fixed up in a week or two.

yep ditto, i'd be more than happy to offer a go in mine but like andys it's a bit blown up at the moment

[jonmsm]

thanks guys. I didn't realise that picture was actually from your engine... OUCH and yes, good job its not an S38 engine! let me know when your redoing the 335 as I would love to come help (even if its just as tea/ coffee bitch) to get an idea of the what i need to do as I will have much free time shortly (quitting my course and restarting the year as I failed my exams - damd things failed my engine technology module too, despite getting 97% in the coursework )

Also, got my E30 from Jon this week, bloody nippy little thing even with a 2.0 in it! althought i left it for a good 24 hours and started it back up and you can TELL those stem seals are gone... got lots of oily smoke all over the M535!

p.s. if anyone wants to take a spin in a 535 (auto - ) let me know.. not as much fun as a 335 but oh well... doesnt mean I am not the drift king of Loughborough thou!!

[Toby_Unna]

my m535i is much more fun than my 335i because the 335i is sitting by the roadside sulking without an oil pump

seriously though i converted my m535 to manual from auto and it made it a lot quicker! even more fun to drift have you got any pics of yours

[jonmsm]

Manual conversion... was that easy to do?? cos my auto gearbox is nothing short of annoying. makes drifting harder and thats never a good thing - hehe, and the kick down can be a little tempramental, mind you, when it does i get nothign but wheelspin up to about 40mph, fun fun fun!

I have a couple of pictures but I will have a better picture tomorrow. I am off back to Yorkshire to pick up my 730i on a trailer and bring it here to uni to work on it so my brother can have it, so I am going to get a shot of all three of my cars together, my 320, 535 and 730.. it will look ace.

until then check out my university motor club site (there is a small section about my 535 on there)

http://www.lufbra.net/club_homepage.asp?clubid=5759

[Toby_Unna]

which 730 is it, an e32?

manual conversion was easy, you just need a good donor car which unfortunately is rare. i put the dogleg box in mine but it's buggered (very noisy!) so i have an e34 535 manual box to put in instead.

auto to manual makes the car lighter and gives it more gears and closer ratios but i do miss the ridiculously high top gear the auto had! it does about 3k rpm at indicated 100mph if i remember correctly, what a cruiser!

this is mine, Ԛ£265 from ebay

[jonmsm]

HOW much from ebay.... Ԛ£265. OMG thats cheap. She looks in immaculate condition! I paid a whopping Ԛ£920 for mine and I thought I had an ABSOLUTE steal for that money. Mind you it has an IMMACUALTE history and is in awesome condition bar the usual red fade (SO ANNOYING!). Still, I wont complain. I just got back from a night out and decided to take a detour via the A6 for a quick blast and its SUCH a smooth run up to 100+ and yes, she cruises BEAUTIFULLY at 3k rpm at around 100mph, and accelerates SO well up to god knows how fast from there as mr rude boy in his 'Renault 5 TURBO' found out when he tried to tail me down the fast lane last week... "TTTTTTTWat"

I have found ONE big problem with the 535 thou.. PARTS.. bloody impossible to get. I need a new OBC indicator stalk as the full beam likes to come on as and when it pleases and they are rarer than rocking horse shit! I also want the shadowline kit really badly as it looks so nice (either all chrome or no chrome at all I think and seen as I have the shaddowline rear lights might as well get the lot!) but i missed the only set on ebay last week i think it was Also the tyres... OMG! Mine has the metric R390 wheels, Ԛ£250 PER CORNER for brand new tyres and more if I want to replace the 'Avon ZR's' it currently has. Need to get myself some nice imperial wheels like yours has as I can see this thing EATING tyres quickly!

The 730 is indeed an e32. Its SUCH a big car, its ridiculous! I paid just Ԛ£100 for it and it has the full heated electric leather seats in black.. they are GORGEOUS! Gonna have a good go at making her road legal again as she was sat for a good 3years before i got my hands on her.

[Nic325i]

Seeing your quote about red fade above, have a look at the file here.

I don't know if it works as well as advertised (not a problem for me with Diamond scharz), but it looks pretty good.

Nic

[AndyG]

jonmsm
I have a set of excellent cross spoke alloys for your e28! Including tyres. Currently fitted to my B9 3.5, I am having the Alpina rims refurbed, so once they are ready, my cross spokes are up for sale. 15" with 225/60/15 tyres on, all more or less brand new.

That file link, nice picture of AndyBoy there!
My B9 is in zinobar red, and was faded and oxidised, so as I ran out of time to do the work myself, I got a valeting firm to do it, now looks superb, just need to keep on top of it.

As for the OBC stalk, they are rare, but the problem you have is a common one, the switch can be repacked with electrical grease which restores the useability of the stalk, but there are quite a few cars being broken now that have these and Ԛ£20 max should pick you up another stalk.

What other parts do you need? As I have just broken a very rusty e28.
AG

[Toby_Unna]

jon, i got a spare obc stalk i kept from my m535i breaker if u need one...

don't worry the car wasn't as much as a bargain as that! no mot no tax been off the road for 3 years and wouldn't start.

i had a 528i that i could pull bits off to find the problems and get it fixed up. i just got lucky, a new fuel pump got it running and the bodywork turned out to be near mint after several washes - never been painted and all panels perfect.

730 e32 nearly bought a 735i a while ago,l love e32s, such an elegant shape for a big car! test drove a cheap 750iL once too but forced myself not to be so stupid as to buy it!

the wheels on mine are actually metric, paid 170 for the set with good tyres because i needed em in a hurry for an mot re-test! when the tyres wear out they'll get binned, they're 240/45/415 or something, off an m635csi

[jonmsm]

That paint restore info is awesome - i look forward to getting my hands on some of that cuttng compound stuff and make my pink M535 back into a zinnobar red one! hehe

Unfortunately your post for the OBC was JUST to late I found an AWESOME BMW breakers that specialise in old BMWs , E30's E28's, E24's and E32's - I bought a whole load of bits of an M535 that had arrived just this morning at the yard. By the time i got there the engine and manual box had already been taken out - VULTURES! however I was offered a refurbed M535 engine with 6month warrenty for Ԛ£500 which aint bad at all!!!

As for my e32 - check my post in pub talk 'crazy near misses'. The E32 nearly went for a sideways barrell roll down the M62 this afternoon... not pretty. luckily being such a hefty old GIT the trailer & e32 was way to heavy to flip and so a nice 45mph 360degree spin was achieved with 3 tons worth of car, tower and trailer! I think my first word was 'F**K' followed by a quick look for damage then 'Not be doing that again then...!'

do you happen to have a shaddowline window and roof trim kit btw Toby?

[Chaos]

this is mine, Ԛ£265 from ebay

looks nice m8


i won an auction for a black manual one with black leather and 16" bbs rs for Ԛ£302 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but the guy blew me out

[AndyG]

where is this breaker?