WHAT IS THE ZONE FOR ?

[Kos]

What is the main reason for the e30zone ??

It's an open question with many different answers; here are my views on it

As members we all have the same common interest, e30's kind of obvious but it's a start, we as members either own them, have owned them, want to own one, race one, work on them etc but together as a group we share very the same interest

There are sections on the forum to help us maintain our cars, upgrade them in many ways and fault find and solve any problems which is great. Also we have the buying and selling sections and the wanted section which aids all of us in times of need. We also have other sections, which allow us to talk about our projects and show pictures of them. Generally speaking every thing is covered. I'm sure some of you may see where this is going, a lot of you have seen what's happen in the last day or so regarding my group buy on roll cages and the “zone shopsâ€a interference.
They are now offering the cages, gone to the supplier i was dealing with and sourced the cages for you the members and make money. I dont care if they make money, its just the manner in which it was done. They also lied about being a Safety Devices dealer, this can not be tollerated. Especially since its a product they have NEVER advertised or said they can supply.

What is the zone shop (XS performance) ?? I see it as a forum sponsor, a company the sell products relating to our cars. Maybe they pay towards the maintenance of the site in return for being allowed to advertise here. I suppose is the least they can do for having 15,000 people as potential customer base, but is it anything directly to do with the forum? In my opinion and from what I see its not. Which leads me to ask why should the owner of the shop be allowed to interfere in the running of the forum or any thing we as members do??

The choice of products is good, prices seem ok, but it's us as members to choose where we buy a product from. If we want to go and do a group buy on lets say HR cup kit suspension and save ourselves money, why should there be interference from them?? If I arrange a discount with a rival to the “zone shopâ€a for a particular product it's not our fault we can get a better deal!

There are a few traders on this forum, no one really advertises but we know who they are and we all happily use them. One company which springs to mind is A-tech, run by Ant who is a moderator but in fairness to him he has dedicated a lot of his time and money to “e30 zoneâ€a so on a personal level I don't see the harm in the “advertisingâ€a

I personally do not have any problem with any trader coming on the zone; it give us the option and choice we deserve. If you are a good reliable person then we will use you, if you are not you won't gain anything

I my opinion though, the zone should not allow any single trader to use their influence or position to say what we can and can't do. The zone shop has high jacked a decent group buy for their own benefit. This is wrong, I have no objection to them, advertising or having a link to their shop but I refuse to let them monopolies, and object to what the members do.

I believe at the moment if a trader comes on here and blatantly advertises they get banned?? Mods please clarify this for me. In my opinion, they should not be banned, I don't understand why, is it because it gives direct competition to XS performance or because they gain free advertising?

If i want to do a group buy on any product i should be allowed to, FACT ! sal and the zone shop should not be allowed to stop it.

Any one who can provide us with a service should be able to tell us about it. Any one who wants to be a site sponsor should be allowed to have their company logo/advert on each page but pay for the privelidge but no inluence. Its got to be an open forum, with not one person or company having a direct influence. I don't know where this weeks events will lead, but I hope it benefits us the members, that what its hear for.


kos

[dazleeds]

some excellent points there mate

having read the groupbuy thread i now eagerly await some answers to the above from
the forum management as well as the shop

i wouldnt usualy get involved but im curious to hear the answers from both sides

[buster]

I with you on this Kos.I read the rollcage saga and wasnt impressed by the way that happened.Its the first time though i've seen that happen here though.Hopefully it wont happen again.

[Kos]

its a shame that some points i made in that thred have been deleted,i know its possibly the first time, but if i was to to a group buy on a product the "shop" sells, it could have been worse, thats my point and i cant understand why. we as members should have the choice

[dazleeds]

its a shame that some points i made in that thred have been deleted,i know its possibly the first time, but if i was to to a group buy on a product the "shop" sells, it could have been worse, thats my point and i cant understand why. we as members should have the choice

the word community springs to mind

surely that would mean all members would have a say??

[Kos]

its a shame that some points i made in that thred have been deleted,i know its possibly the first time, but if i was to to a group buy on a product the "shop" sells, it could have been worse, thats my point and i cant understand why. we as members should have the choice

the word community springs to mind

surely that would mean all members would have a say??

correct !

[fuzzy]

i havent read up on your group buy thread so im unaware of the history of this yet

[Kos]

i havent read up on your group buy thread so im unaware of the history of this yet

well it been deleted !!

do want a basic break down of what happened ??

[stuartgallafant]

this is the first time i've heard of this roll-cage business, however, i feel strongly in your favour kos...

So i've heard, someone can do a particularly, no, in fact, extremely better deal on the BTB snake2 manifolds for the M20, however its just unfortunate that person hasnt got the money upfront to participate in deal

IF, however, they did have the money, I wonder if there business would be banned from the site due to it taking business away from XS Performance....

I have no issues of my own regarding the Zone Shop/XS Performance, as I have not yet purchased anything from there, nor have I had any 'run-ins' or problems with any particulates of the company...

However, I do feel that this matter should be thought heavily about. There cannot be one rule for one, one rule for another....

[dazleeds]

i havent read up on your group buy thread so im unaware of the history of this yet

well it been deleted !!

do want a basic break down of what happened ??

yeh i just noticed that too

not sure i like the fact that half of the thread has now dissapeared

[stuartgallafant]

i havent read up on your group buy thread so im unaware of the history of this yet

well it been deleted !!

do want a basic break down of what happened ??

yeh i just noticed that too

not sure i like the fact that half of the thread has now dissapeared

something to hide perhaps...

[Kos]

THE ROLL CAGE DEAL,

the basics is i was negotiating a group deal on a roll cage, looking at options of OMP, SAFETY DEVICES, SPARCO, and i when for the SD one, sal aka M5pilot jumped in say it want allowed as he was an authorised dealer which is completely untrue, SD have one dealer for e30 cages, who i was dealing with to get a group buy discount.

sal whent over my head made phone call after call trying to find out what discounts i was getting and tried to high jack the deal to make an earning and profit for him self, in the end i got an agreement for 10% discount from a company called AUTOMAC, the only SD dealers for e30's in the UK. thats 10% on an individual purchase, i could have got more on a group buy but sal got involved so i couldnt be botherd, i mean whats the bloody point if i try and get a deal and we are told we cant because the zone shop sell it, or they jump in to gain from it

zone shop has never ever delt with cages, but they saw an oppertunity to make money off you backs, when they saw what was going on.

[Kos]

well it been deleted !!

do want a basic break down of what happened ??

yeh i just noticed that too

not sure i like the fact that half of the thread has now dissapeared

something to hide perhaps...

you tell me !! why has it been edited ??

[stuartgallafant]

unacceptable really, considering they say they're doing us a favour...

[snoops]

lol didnt see the other points but theres some good points there

[Kos]

unacceptable really, considering they say they're doing us a favour...

are they ??

[m3ben05]

Iv never had any dealings (or even met) with either party here but i totally agree with the points Kos is making. At the end of the day i couldnt give a rats arse how the shop is linked to the zone, i just want the best deal for the parts im trying to buy.

From what i hear there are people being prevented from selling products cheaper than the zone shop, be it through personal contacts or through group buys - this is way out of order and would really piss me off i was interested in buying said products

I may have the facts wrong, but it seriously needs looking at!

[Kos]

Iv never had any dealings (or even met) with either party here but i totally agree with the points Kos is making. At the end of the day i couldnt give a rats arse how the shop is linked to the zone, i just want the best deal for the parts im trying to buy.

From what i hear there are people being prevented from selling products cheaper than the zone shop, be it through personal contacts or through group buys - this is way out of order and would really **** me off i was interested in buying said products

I may have the facts wrong, but it seriously needs looking at!

you've got it bang on there ben

[Martinaston]

I've noticed the hostility in the past but thought nothing of it and left it alone, so to seek an answer to your earleir question kos.
Dose the Zone shop contribute to the running of the site in any way ? Would someone in the know please inform us.

[stuartgallafant]

just because the "zone shop" sells that product, why the f*ck should it stop any other person on here from trying to get a better deal for their 'community' of E30 lovers...

its a disgrace really, it shouldnt happen

[Kos]

I've noticed the hostility in the past but thought nothing of it and left it alone,

who me or the shop ??

i know i can be blunt and be aggressive at times, but dont we all get like that ??

[Kos]

Dose the Zone shop contribute to the running of the site in any way ? Would someone in the know please inform us.

i belive it "pays" a fee , but it does not give them the right to monopoloise, well it shouldnt do

[m3ben05]

There are legal issues with monopolies i believe, il ask my dad when he gets in from work

[stuartgallafant]

i cant see how paying a fee should allow it to stop all other types of trade similar to theirs...

advertising does cost, and as stated, they should be grateful that they are being advertised to about 15'000 people... and not moan when someone else tries to do another or a few enthusiasts a favour...

[Simon13]

Theres too many noses to dis-joint from this Kos, i'm not sure how i would deal with it, but i'd keep it public. Ignore PM's and phonecalls. Only through the forum so everyone can see.

I've said what i have said but ended up looking like a jealous person after all the propaganda ended from the M5pilot in previous feuds.

Which ever mod edited the thread, is protecting Salad here. There's only one mod in the first place who allowed Salad to have the position he has

STOP! thats to me by the way i'm getting carried away.

[Martinaston]

Kos, I mean't from Sal , i've seen him close down a few sales before and assumed it was because he had something to do with the forum but have never had it confirmed.

[stuartgallafant]

STOP! thats to me by the way i'm getting carried away.

i knew the firing squad would be here soon

[Kos]

Kos, I mean't from Sal , i've seen him close down a few sales before and assumed it was because he had something to do with the forum but have never had it confirmed.

goog, i'm glad some one else has noticed it

[Kos]

Theres too many noses to dis-joint from this Kos, i'm not sure how i would deal with it, but i'd keep it public. Ignore PM's and phonecalls. Only through the forum so everyone can see.

I've said what i have said but ended up looking like a jealous person after all the propaganda ended from the M5pilot in previous feuds.

Which ever mod edited the thread, is protecting Salad here. There's only one mod in the first place who allowed Salad to have the position he has

STOP! thats to me by the way i'm getting carried away.

i've had a few pm's and a lot of call, and the last one get very heated. as for keeping it public, it all got deleted on the previous roll cage thred

si, its an issue that need to be sorted as well as few others

[gooner1]

Kos, im a relevant newcomer compared to most of you on here but if what your saying is true,and i have no reason to doubt you, i do feel that at the very least an explanation as to why you were stopped from helping out other people on here is due to you and the Zone in general.
Not taking sides one way or the other as i dont know the full facts and story but all seems a bit unfair.

[Ant]

Guys, the thread was edited , but all the relevant posts are still there, just hidden, it is normal prcatise for any off topic replies to be removed, the posts in question do relate to the cage group buy thread but no cover up was intended, merely the thread was tidied up, and puck back on track for the topic at hand

As for the shop, this forum gains no income from any of its members, yet its still going strong, how do you think that is possible? we have hosting costs to meet and we use the stickers to help with that, due to the way we are setup, we cannot legally/oficially take any £Â£ @ the moment, howver that will change in the coming weeks. May I add that the mods/admin team have on many, many occasions paid the running costs of the forum and site out of their own pockets, myself included, indeed, the chip sales do not generate any profit for me personally, all funds go back into a zone kitty to help with the rising cost of ownership.

No-one is suggesting the system is perfect, but its worked OK til now, change is afoot indeed gents( and laides) but you'll have to bear with us for the time being on what, how and when the changes will come into effect.

Please, can we have contrustive posts only here, no shit stirring is required, I think its fairly well mixed up already.

[Kos]

Kos, im a relevant newcomer compared to most of you on here but if what your saying is true,and i have no reason to doubt you, i do feel that at the very least an explanation as to why you were stopped from helping out other people on here is due to you and the Zone in general.
Not taking sides one way or the other as i dont know the full facts and story but all seems a bit unfair.

i wasnt stopped but they got involved, and tried to get a cut and profit from it, when i was doing it for the good of the zone

he said i needed to ok the the group deal with him!!! why should i, its nothing to do with them especilly as they never sold the product

[Kos]

Guyts, the thread was edited , but all the relevant posts are still there, just hidden, it is normal prcatise for any off topic replies to be removed, the posts in question do relate to the cage group buy thread but no cover up was intended, merely the thread was tidied up, and puck back on track for the topic at hand

As for the shop, this forum gains no income from any of its members, yet its still going strong, how do you think that is possible? we have hosting costs to meet and we use the stickers to help with that, due to the way we are setup, we cannot legally/oficially take any £Â£ @ the moment, howver that will change in the coming weeks. May I add that the mods/admin team have on many, many occasions paid the running costs of the forum and site out of their own pockets, myself included, indeed, the chip sales do not generate any profit for me personally, all funds go back into a zone kitty to help with the rising cost of ownership.

No-one is suggesting the system is perfect, but its worked OK til now, change is afoot indeed gents( and laides) but you'll have to bear with us for the time being on what, how and when the changes will come into effect.

Please, can we have contrustive posts only here, no shit stirring is required, I think its fairly well mixed up already.

i undestant that ant, and i appreciate it, but what happend with the cages is wrong, very wrong, i'm sure deep down you know it yourself

[Ant]

No team member will ever act upon a group buy, for the enthusiast by the enthusiast.

[Kos]

No team member will ever act upon a group buy, for the enthusiast by the enthusiast.

well, damage is done now by sal, a bit late now