Meguiars clay detailing

[lenny-d]

how much money are u talking about the 3 stage kit

[d6dph]

Think they are normally about £8-9 per bottle mate

[stuartgallafant]

Dave, as far as i know, the stage 1 is only a paint cleaner, used to get the sh!t off the paintwork, ready for the more intense remedy, such as the tech wax, but you may be right?!

i'll have a further look into matey

[d6dph]

Yeah my mistake mate, Just looked on the meguiars website and stage one is non-abrasive.

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_ ... onID=11301

Meh, What do i know, I drive an old beater!

[stuartgallafant]

i thought i was right!! god i love being right!!!

[cliffybabe]

god i love being right!!!

And don't we know it

[stuartgallafant]

[stuartgallafant]

where is the best place to get all the meguiars stuff from? hellfrauds? or the website?

[e30bemer]

love the meguiars stuff, my boot is full of it! got it all from where i used too work, still get it @ cost price!
also nicked some supagard from BMW

[stuartgallafant]

whats supaguard???

[sam325is]

so what order do you do things in on a car with a new respray?

1)wash and dry
2)clay-sonus?
3)cutting compound to remove swirls? which one?
4)paint sealer? which one?
5)then what?

i dont have a machine polisher

im confused, so many different products and orders to do things in

any help would be appreciated,

Thanks

[ShineOn]

You have to be careful with new paint - check with whoever sprayed it as to how long to leave it before doing anything other than applying a pure wax.

I think it is has been baked then its fine straight away, if it needs some time to cure, and you sealed the paint, it would prevent gasses escaping and cause problems. So check that first.

New paint should not be covered in too many bonded contaminents, so if you want to clay it, don't go for anything more abrasive than Sonus Green, and use lots and lots of lube - you don't want any risk of marring the paint.

If its just been sprayed - why are there swirls already? Or do you mean it wasn't all sprayed? If it has been sprayed all over, and the shop has given it to you with swirls in it, take it back and tell them to sort it out.

Either way, don't use a cutting compound because to be honest, by hand you are not going to remove many/any swirls, and if you don't break a polish down properly then you will inflict a whole lot more.

A good combination to condsier by hand would be the Klasse All In One which is a cleaner/polisher, followed by its sister product, Klasse SG, which is a sealant. This can be layered to good effect to buildup the protection, so if you washed it once a week, and applied another layer of sealant for say 3 weeks in a row, that would be a good job.

Biggest thing for preventing swirls in the first place is to look at your wash routine, if you are not already using a washmit and the two bucket method (ideally with a couple of grit guards).

Any questions I'd be happy to help.

[sam325is]

thanks for your response.

the paint was baked on. it was a full respray including engine bay i have had it back for 2 months now so certainly enough time for all to settle.
swirls have come from a car cover i have had on it whilst building it back up. but it is going to the body shop very soon again just for a slight scratch i got on my scuttle when i was refitting my engine so he will polish out the swirls then.

but when i get it back what should i seal it with after claying it?

do i need to seal engine bay aswell?

what i had planned was to get it back from the body shop when scrath is repaired

1)wash and dry iy using meguirs nxt using a microfibre cloth and waffle drying cloth
2)clay using green sonus as you said
3) was going to use z5 for fine swirls but not so sure now you mentioned it not working to well by hand and the body shop will sort them
4)then use zaino z1 and z3 as a sealant
5) then use some other zaino products to polish it off

but im not so sure about whether all this is a good combo?

so far the car has had nothing done polish wise except for when the body shop flatted and polished it.

[ShineOn]

Well, true polish is abrasive, if its new paint it should be spot on (if they polish out the swirls caused by the cover), so you shouldn't need to polish it. If you do clay it (for the same reason, you might not need to), just remember to keep that clay really lubed, go totally over the top with it to stop any chance of marring. Check the clay every couple of strokes for anything its picked up. Break the bar into 2 pieces, keep the bit you are not using in a mug of hot water and keep swapping them every few minutes.

I don't use the Zaino products so I'm afraid I can't make any suggestions there. I personally like Chemical Guys stuff - I'd be very tempted to apply a couple of layers of M-Seal, followed by a couple of thin coats of carnuba wax - 50/50 (another Chemical Guys product). That would be my suggestion, other people might think differently.

If its a dark colour, I can strongly recommend a glaze instead of the sealant, called Pinnacle XMT Glaze with Carnuba. Very good for adding depth and richness to the paint, and making it appear wet. But its not at all durable on its own, so again top with the 50/50 wax.

[sam325is]

my car is brilliant red so no not dark at all lol. what is marring?

so if i dont have swirl marks will clay leave anymarks?

i thought the job of clay was to remove oxidants?

that m-seal stuff has a good sounding description i might use some and you say use a few coats of that and finish it wish carnuba wax?

[ed325i]

where is the best place to get all the meguiars stuff from? hellfrauds? or the website?

I get mine from here you get free post.

http://www.performancemotorcare.com/aca ... uiars.html

[ShineOn]

Its not dark, but its still a strong colour, as opposed to say light blue, white, silver, etc.

Clay removes contaminents bonded to the surface of the paint - tiny metal particles from brake dust, bits of tar (use white spirit for large blobs), stuff that you often can't really see, but can feel.

To do this, clay has a level of abrasiveness to it - Sonus Green is one of the least abrasive, Sonus grey on the other hand is really abrasive. Using the lube helps it to skim across the paint taking the bits off of it, rather than dragging across. Marring takes various forms, but basically is a term to describe defects you create whilst trying to remove others. So if for example you used a really abrasive clay, the surface would look dull and lifeless. Look at this picture of a Fiesta I detailed, and this is after claying with Sonus Grey, you can see it looks almost like its been sanded with super fine sand paper. Its easy to get rid of with a machine polish, but not easy by hand.



I can recommend www.cleanandshiny.co.uk for Meguiars and Chemical Guys products.