Stannard Motors 2.7

[stevew]

has anyone got any info ?

[Russ]

Karan has a Les Stannard 2.7 IIRC. Give him a PM.

[stevew]

Thanks

[stevew]

Anyone with any more information?

[Karan]

hello mate

i have one in mine..... although highly tuned now from when les built it for ian haynes....

what do u want to know?

Karan

[M5pilot]

Les Stannard is seriously expensive.

Bexley's bottom end is about the same thing if not better and its cheaper.

Karan's car is serioulsy highly tuned and should not be used as a measure as what a LS bottom end can do with just a 325i head.

Technical info though is roughly as follows:

Apparently Les uses a 2.0 block and bores it out to 84mm.
Uses brand new pistons (KS I think) with 10.1:1 Compression ratio
Brand new ETA crank and rods.

As for lightening and balancing I have no idea and dont think he does this.

If your looking for a complete package Bexleys is a much better bet.

They have made some of the most powerful 2.7's around.

[Karan]

mine has a 2.5 block....

[M5pilot]

I mgith be wrong of course but Ive heard he uses 2.0 blocks.

[stevew]

He uses the 2.0 block which is the same at the 2.5 just bored out, mines a2.5. Just bought Les Stannards sons old car, very happy with it. I will scan in the feature some time.

[Karan]

hmmmmm how does she go???

mine is 100% a m20b25 block....

[stevew]

Sounds nice whats the spec on yours?

It has much better performance than my corrado vr6, does feel to have more torque.

[Karan]

Sounds nice whats the spec on yours?

It has very similar performance to my corrado vr6, does feel to have more torque.

spec is quite long..... see this link

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... opic&t=434

sits with e36 m3s with ease..... and e46 m3 could only pull 3 car lengths if that... on me from standstill to 110mph.. so it goes ok....

the sound is the best thing though...

[stevew]

Your car looks very nice, mine was recorded at 208bhp with possibilties of up to 220. Do you know what suspension setups the conversion comes with as i can't find any reciepts for the suspension but it is lowered. Does the manifold work well with the engine work as mine is running a standard exhaust system and i am tempted by this upgrade. Just spoken to Les Stannard it's his sons second 2.7 not the one featured in article, he also reckons 6 branch offers minimal improvement, he also said the cam is a Schrick 284 and i can expect 210--215 bhp with similar torque,nice guy, amazing car to drive.

[Karan]

a 6 branch will work well....

u will not find another like mine.....

ure best bet is an alpina 6 branch manifold..

les just does engines as far as i know.... my suspension is a mix and match of different goodies.....

[stevew]

Mine had the suspension done as part of the package

[Karan]

Mine had the suspension done as part of the package

ohhhh,,, i wouldnt know..... just guessing,,,

whats the spec on ure lump if u dont mind me asking... as that is a very respectable power figure.... there must be some other type of cam in there aswell...

[stevew]

Machined block with Mahle pistons and balanced connecting rods
New crank
Schrick 284 degree cam
AMD Remap
K&N panel filter
Bosch Metronic injection

Not really to sure on the spec just looking throught the history trying to find out whats been done. Thats all i have found so far, loads of new o.e parts have been used throughout the car. Engine has only covered 12k since the rebuild so it still hasn't loosened up properly yet.

[SwirlyE30]

Karan, dont the E36 M3's (Euro ones, think the US ones wernt as quick) have like 285bhp? Your motors quick mate! very quick, didnt realise it would pull as well as that though. Never been in an E36 m3 though so...

[stevew]

The 2.7 just goes on pulling definitely better than my VR6. Thanks for all the response, anyone know how many Les Stannard has converted ?

[Simon13]

swirly gug has some serious grunt!

[Russ]

Karan, dont the E36 M3's (Euro ones, think the US ones wernt as quick) have like 285bhp? Your motors quick mate! very quick, didnt realise it would pull as well as that though. Never been in an E36 m3 though so...

Its all about weight. I bet the e30 is a whole lot lighter than the e36 (rumours that this is due to bits rusting away are unconfirmed )

I had a play with a Scooby last week (with the PPP) - there was hardly anything in it. If anything I was *slightly* quicker. Now bear in mind Im running ~230 and the PPP is ~300, but its also much heavier. (And has 4x4 transmission losses, but thats hardly relevant here)

[ian332isport]

mine is 100% a m20b25 block....

I can 100% confirm this

[motorsport]

Nice read here, i didn't realise that the 2.7 motor was really that quick (E36 M3 figures). I've owned a few 325i E30s over the years but thought the jump to E36 M3 power would be quite hard to achieve. How much does one of the 2.7 conversions cost, roughly that is as i assume there are loads of add on extras at a later date to get the E36 M3 power.
Worth knowing as i don't think the originally fitted M20s will last forever....!

Thanks,
Andy.

[ian332isport]

Nice read here, i didn't realise that the 2.7 motor was really that quick (E36 M3 figures). I've owned a few 325i E30s over the years but thought the jump to E36 M3 power was quite a bit. How much does one of the 2.7 conversions cost, roughly that is as i assume there are loads of add on extras at a later date to get the E36 M3 power.
Worth knowing as i don't think the originally fitted M20s will last forever....!

Thanks,
Andy.

Andy,

You won't get E36 M3 power figures from an M20 (normally aspirated). What you do get, is similar 'on road' performance. It's all down to the power to weight ratio.

Most 2.7's make around 200 bhp, and 220 bhp is probably a realistic maximum for a daily road car. You can get more, but the drivability WILL suffer as a result.

Ian.

[motorsport]

Cheers Ian, i actually meant 'on road performance' just worded it incorrectly.
Thanks, so the 200-220bhp gives a similar performance to the E36 M3, that's pretty quick and would round the E30 sport of very nicely IMO, not even a visual mod really.and makes a great package even better.
I suppose your 332 must be quite ballistic then.

thanks again,

Andy

[ian332isport]

Cheers Ian, i actually meant 'on road performance' just worded it incorrectly.
Thanks, so the 200-220bhp gives a similar performance to the E36 M3, that's pretty quick and would round the E30 sport of very nicely IMO, not even a visual mod really.and makes a great package even better.
I suppose your 332 must be quite ballistic then.

thanks again,

Andy

Andy,

It's not so much the bhp figures that make the 2.7 such a nice conversion, it's the increase in torque that really does it. It's just so nice to drive, and really changes the character of the car (for the better).

My 332 has been known to 'nip' along

Ian.

[M5pilot]

Karan's car is easily as fast as my M5 upto any speed to be really honest. Its only over 100mph the M5 has an advantage.

Fast as an M5 I hear you say!

Wel the m5 weighs 1700+ KG wheras the e30 weighs in about 1250 approx. M5 has 315 BHP and the 2.7 has around 215. Power to weight ratio not too far apart hence on road performance is about the same too.

2.7's are very very good if tuned properly like Karan's.

My old 2.7 with MBE on it had similar performance.

[motorsport]

Gimme......gimme........! How much.

[M5pilot]

If you cant be asked to do anything yourself then for Ԛ£4000 + VAT you can have the following:

Lightwieght brand new high compression pistons (10.5:1 ??)
Lightnened and balanced ETA brand new crank
Lightnened rods
Heavily ported head
284/272 Schrick Cam
BTB 6 branch Manifold
Then a custom remap using a unichip with Mass Air Sensor.

Expect 220bhp and around the same sort of torque.

You just drive your car in and then drive it out again. Obvioulsy you'll have to run the brand new engine in for 1000 miles before the mass air sensor is fitted and a final remap done.

Do it yourself and you might save Ԛ£1000 on labour and invite shit loads of hassle.

for an Extra Ԛ£1000 you can have the same as above but in 2.8

Alot of people say its too much money to spend etc but you do end up with something thats a serioulsy fast car. As Karan says, easily as quick as a E36 M3, ZM Coupe and E34 M5.

Is it too expensive? Maybe

You could alternativley do a 3.2 conversion like ian332i but it will cost more.

Hope this helps.

Sal

[motorsport]

Brilliant response, thanks.
Yes a lot of money but worth it if you have a decent allround car to start with that just needs a new motor.

Andy. (probably just give my 85k M20 the kiss of death now...!)

[M5pilot]

Are you considering it?

[motorsport]

Not for the motorsport as it is an automatic and i suppose modding it could 'kill off' any future classic/collectible type value. Nothing to do with the fact it won't benefit an auto, as Monsport has proven good results from his sport auto, i personally would prefer this extra power in a manual.
But, i am wanting to get another manual 325i sport soon and was considering the mod for that. Unfortunately a bit too expensive straight away but would deffo consider it when the pennies roll in a bit better. I suppose it would suit a very good condition with high mileage motor.
Thanks for the replies,

Andy.

[Karan]

Karan, dont the E36 M3's (Euro ones, think the US ones wernt as quick) have like 285bhp? Your motors quick mate! very quick, didnt realise it would pull as well as that though. Never been in an E36 m3 though so...

the e36 is heavy and the 2.7 has shedloadsa torque.... meaning that on road performance is similar,....

dave proved what weight can show on the road wityh his wrong wheel drive civic vtec..... am i jealous.... YES!! that thing moves ! and when he was behind me and in my slipstrem i couldnt pull away at even 130mph... when i was behind him though i was having to lift off so i didnt hit him...

2.7s are great but ultimately they lack the revviness of a multivalve ///M engine.....

Karan

[MONSPORT42]

I'm biased obviously but I think the 2.7 is really suited to the auto box. The power delivery is awesome. Outdragged a Boxter by miles on Sunday morning up to 130 ( although I think he gave up at 120, he was an old geezer!). It was so so smooth - my wife didn't even look up from reading her book!

[motorsport]

Monsport, i've asked about this before but please tell me again.....what's it like stright off the mark as my 325i auto is dissapointing to say the least compared to its overall performance, and compared to my previous manual 325i cars. It takes ages to get going.