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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:49 am

Hi

I cant find my previous topic so i have to start another.

Someone mentioned that i can use 2002 Tii crank with my M10 1800 and make it 2000. I found crank from E21 320 4 pot.Can i use this one on my engine? I think its a same crank that uses 2002 and every other M10 2000 4 pot. Is there any better cam i can use?

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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:52 am

hmm i wud think so being an m10 man myself but que the m10 god known as si316 he will sort u out
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:58 am

Bob wrote:hmm i wud think so being an m10 man myself but que the m10 god known as si316 he will sort u out
LOL cheers fella! :bow:

yes you can use the crank from the e21 320 4 pot. its the same part as the 2002 crank. you will have to use the pistons from a 2.0l aswell tho. im not sure on the pistons from the e21. what head are you using? can you get pics of the tops of the pistons?

as for the cam what kind of intake system are you running and how wild and lumpy do you want to go with it?
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:23 am

WOW that was quick answer 8O

I am using E30 1,8l head and pistons i will take pictures of pistons tomorrow. Are you sure that i cant use 1,8l pistons its same diametar as 2,0l ? I am using standard E30 1,8l injection system but i will probably have to change chip or something else if i go on with 2,0l?

I wouldnt go for anything too wild and lumpy. Any idea?
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:02 pm

is this possible on carb'd m10 or just the i models?
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:00 pm

its only possible on the m10 carb'd models
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:09 pm

Top of the piston:
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What is only possible with carb' models? To use e21 crank and e30 pistons?

Why? :cry:
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:13 pm

You can do this on all the m10 models, im doing it on a carb version and i know duane from here has done the same with a 318i.

Im positive you cant use the 318i pistons mate as the wrist pin sits to low on the 318i pistons. this means that with the 2.0l crank its going to smash the piston into the head.
Heres a pic of my 316 piston against a 2002tii piston
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I cant remember what cam duane is running but i remember him saying that you cant go to wild on the stock 318i injection system because it cant flow enough fuel for a wild cam. i will have a check for ya tho.
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:16 pm

Peca wrote:
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are those pics of the e21 320 piston tops mate?
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:20 pm

Those are e30 318i pistons and block. Piston looks like right piston on your picture is that 2002 or 316?
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:23 pm

ahh rite, yeah there the same pistons as the one on the left in my picture which is the 316 piston.

you'll defo need the e21 320 m10 pistons. can you get pics of the tops of these? just to make sure the tops arent going to contact with the head.
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:34 pm

I cant get pics of e21 pistons now but i will try to post them later.

What about shaving tops of 318i pistons?
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:38 pm

hmmm im not sure about doing that. it doesnt look like theres enough metal there to take off.
I think its gonna be quicker and easier to use the e21 pistons to be honest.
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:49 pm

OK then e21 pistons will be :D

What about ECU chip. Will i have to change it or what?

What power can i aspect from 2l with standard cam and with wilder cam?

hmmmm am i boring with all these questions? :D
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:57 pm

no mate its all good, here to help.

im not sure if you will need to chip. we need duane here he's the injection man lol.

a 2.0l with stock cam i think you'll be looking at somewere between 110-130bhp? maybe? not sure to be honest but you'll see a good improvement in the torque.

i know alpina got 180bhp from there 2.0l m10's running a 300 degree cam and twin carbs. I think the main limitation with your engine will be the injection system.
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:18 pm

You've got Bosch LE Jetronic on that mate, and you can't rechip the ECU because it's an old analogue system and not digital. The trouble with LE Jetronic is that it's an economy biased system and doesn't respond to mods. The very earliest E30 318i's (i.e LHD cars made before Agust 83) used K Jetronic which was better but forget about trying to find and fit that, you'll never do it.
The standard 318i cam is crap, and it really restricts power. If you can find a good used one, look for a 2002Tii cam which will fit; the distributor drive on old 2002 and earlier E21's runs the opposite direction to an E30 so you'll have to a) use a 2002 distributor complete with nasty points and condenser :cry: or run an E30 distributor with the plug leads reversed (v.easy).
As for the injection, I would personally get rid of it and use a pair of 40DCOE carbs. Secondhand Webers are generally a load of shyte so a complete kit with manifold is best. Trouble is, they're Ԛ£Ã”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£ although the Mikuni kit that Jaymic sell is okay and probably comes jetted for a 2 litre.
For the injection, the big restriction is the throttle body which is tiny so you'd need to adapt something else, maybe one from a 320i. Then you'd need to get more fuel in and as you can't alter the ECU you'd need either bigger injectors from a 320i or raise the fuel pressure with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
But, for decent power you're wasting time and effort with this injection system -you need CARBS :D
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:29 pm

You've got Bosch LE Jetronic on that mate, and you can't rechip the ECU because it's an old analogue system and not digital. The trouble with LE Jetronic is that it's an economy biased system and doesn't respond to mods. The very earliest E30 318i's (i.e LHD cars made before Agust 83) used K Jetronic which was better but forget about trying to find and fit that, you'll never do it.
The standard 318i cam is crap, and it really restricts power. If you can find a good used one, look for a 2002Tii cam which will fit; the distributor drive on old 2002 and earlier E21's runs the opposite direction to an E30 so you'll have to a) use a 2002 distributor complete with nasty points and condenser :cry: or run an E30 distributor with the plug leads reversed (v.easy).
As for the injection, I would personally get rid of it and use a pair of 40DCOE carbs. Secondhand Webers are generally a load of shyte so a complete kit with manifold is best. Trouble is, they're Ԛ£Ã”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£ although the Mikuni kit that Jaymic sell is okay and probably comes jetted for a 2 litre.
For the injection, the big restriction is the throttle body which is tiny so you'd need to adapt something else, maybe one from a 320i. Then you'd need to get more fuel in and as you can't alter the ECU you'd need either bigger injectors from a 320i or raise the fuel pressure with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
But, for decent power you're wasting time and effort with this injection system -you need CARBS :D
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:10 pm

Thanks guys

Any more ideas? :D

I will keep you informed what i managed to do.
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Post Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:58 pm

You can use the e21 pistons, but, they are only 8.5:1 compression and when you use them with the 1.8i head your compression will go even lower! So in short for a performance engine the e21 pistons just wont cut it. You need to find a set of Tii 9.5:1 pistons or get a custom set made up. As far as the L-jet injection you have, you can use a 292 degree cam no worries which will give you a good increase over the stock 264 cam. My car is the ealy K-jet which you cant use big cams with because of the air-flow sensor plate copping back flow. So really your only problem is getting the right pistons. :wink: But then, as MasterBates said, if you want serious power, then carbs are they way to go, but then you will totally lose any respectable fuel economy. A programable injection setup is the best of both worlds, but then they don't come cheap.
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Post Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:07 am

Hmmm then maybe good way would be to do some machine work on my e30 318 pistons if there is enough metal.

How can i identify e21 320 crank?
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Post Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:29 pm

The 2 litre will have more conterweights than the 1.8 crank, and you can measure the stroke, 1.8 = 71mm, 2.0 = 80mm. 8)
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Post Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:12 am

Hi again

I found e21 crank but i wasnt so lucky with pistons so i decided to go with standard crank&pistons.

I broke one big tooth(not ring gear) on the flywheel when i tried to lock the crank. Can i still use this flywheel or i would have to find a new one? My guess is that this toth is only for showing TDC.

Any more tips for engine reassembly?
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Post Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:11 am

Chaps

I got one imortant and urgent question. I forgot direction of bearing caps. There are no arrows on them. There are arrows on pistons. Piston arrows should point to front of the engine,right?
Should both bearing nothces be on the same side??? I need the answer for both main bearing caps and connecting rod caps.

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