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Like some of you know, I`m a Norwegian based in Scotland and I drive around in a E30 316i.
I didnt manange to get a job in Hungary so its looks like I will be in the UK and Scotland for another year maybe... Or even more...
So I need to ask some ppl in here, One of my old favorite car is the first 5-series beemer, a car you dont see so much over here, but "plenty" of them in Norway. So I have manange to find one near Trondheim in my mother country and I wonder. Is it worth to export the car from Norway into Scotland?

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Some info about the car is:
Year of make: 1980
Model: 518
Pirce: 4000,- NOK = £320
No MOT and TAX (Norwegian)
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Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:45 pm

It's worth next to nothing in the UK - the only E12 with a value is the M535i. Only import it if you intend to keep it because you'll never sell it again!
Doesn't look in bad nick though!
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Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:54 pm

The M535i is what I can call a King Beemer on the road, but the only problem is that you need to give allot of cash for one in good nick. I know that a E12 is worth very little money but for me, I really like the car thx to the Oct issue to TBMW.
Its a Beemer with a x-factor for me, and I love the crome on it.... Or in another way, when was the last time you saw a E12 in Glasgow??
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Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:46 am

Andyboy wrote:It's worth next to nothing in the UK - the only E12 with a value is the M535i. Only import it if you intend to keep it because you'll never sell it again!
Doesn't look in bad nick though!
Erm, that would be the case if there were any E12s left on the road! I have never ever seen an E12 on the road. Any E12 in good condition will fetch money, the problem with the Norwegian one is that it's LHD...

I cannot believe just how good that E12 looks, even the arches look solid! If that were original British RHD, and with tax/mot, I reckon you'd get over £1k for that

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Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:54 am

I don't think i've ever seen an E12 in real life :?


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Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:46 am

stranter wrote:
Andyboy wrote:It's worth next to nothing in the UK - the only E12 with a value is the M535i. Only import it if you intend to keep it because you'll never sell it again!
Doesn't look in bad nick though!
Erm, that would be the case if there were any E12s left on the road! I have never ever seen an E12 on the road. Any E12 in good condition will fetch money, the problem with the Norwegian one is that it's LHD...

I cannot believe just how good that E12 looks, even the arches look solid! If that were original British RHD, and with tax/mot, I reckon you'd get over £1k for that

Stewart
1k no way.

e12 is not a classic , just an old old bmw.
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Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:54 am

My dad owns an e12 M535 :)
And it is for sale.

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Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:35 pm

Erik! you are a deviant of the highest order.

How much is that wreck, and can I go in 1/2 with you :D
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Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:19 pm

jimerilo wrote:My dad owns an e12 M535 :)
And it is for sale.

James.
How much? Any online advert?
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Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:23 pm

stranter wrote: Erm, that would be the case if there were any E12s left on the road! I have never ever seen an E12 on the road.
That's because they all rusted away. I haven't seen a Morris Marina on the road for while, no great loss. An E12 is not a classic car. They were only a well made Cortina at the end of the day and the 518 was a terrible dog slow thing that made the 1800 Marina look like a rocket ship.
It will never have a value because there is a short - nay, non-existant - queue of nutters to buy it. Tell you what, you get £1000 out and buy it!

No, I thought not.................. :D
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Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:53 pm

Towbar on a 518 ?, must be some photoshop hero ! :)

E12 535i's are hero chariots ,but sadly virtually worthless,ordinary e12s are justifiably worthless,and just a rather ordinary non descript 70s turd :eek:
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Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:02 pm

The 518 E12 shape is not a fast car, but come one guys! We are here talking about a 26 year old lady from Germany. How was the roads for 26 years ago. The E12 is like some people say in here, its not a classic but will be one day, even a 518 with 90 bhp. But let me say it like this, if I go now over for xmas and buy the car?
It will be a huge chance that I will replace the engine to a six port one. My self have an E30 316i and I have had much more fun with that car, then I had with my ex Alfa with 185bhp.

So in another way, an E12 518 is a slow cruiser but it will do its job propperly like a good German saloon.
But again, I think I will change the engine in it....
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78dude wrote:The 518 E12 shape is not a fast car
I assume you haven't driven it yet? Slow wasn't the word you wanted! Put it another way, back in the day managers at BMW in Bracknell actually refused to drive the E28 version. The E12 has the four speed gearbox with painfully low gearing, about 4000 rpm at 65 mph I think. The first thing would be to put a five speed box in and only the E21 316 box will do as the E28 518/518i box doesn't have a speedo drive. That won't have PAS either unless it was ordered as an option (start praying!)

It's still worth keeping up to scratch though - it'll never be worth a lot but as an easy to fix turd to smoke around in it's not all bad. The only engine worth dropping into that would be an E28 518i lump - they were a huge improvement.
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Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:31 am

A couple of scottish winters should solve the problem ! :)
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pacerpete wrote:A couple of scottish winters should solve the problem ! :)
but i thought P40 was impervious to cold and road salt :o
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Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:02 pm

If you mix it with some black paint, it's also impervious to MOT testers! A bit of Waxoyl is needed if it goes to Scotland, the land of rust.
The only 518 that ever gave me trouser stirrings was an Inca orange 1975 car (with steels/dog dish centre knave plates and Marine blue cloth) I saw in Germany a couple of years ago. She was the pure early model with the flat bonnet, small taillights and the filler flap next to the rear light. Man I nearly had an accident - it was a minter.
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Knock one out over this, E12 fiends!
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:04 pm

Here is a nice E12 M535 that is on Auto Trade at the moment (8th car down). Looks like quite a car for 5k.

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/ca ... _full.y=10
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These photos came from a marvelous website run by Dipl. Ing. Albrecht Walloth und Alexander Nesch GbR . Walloth and Nesch supply parts for classic BMWs and race some classy BMWs including this M535i . The photos that follow show what a wonderful car it is. But, is it really an M535i? Check the pictures of the rear of the car. Note the placement of the fuel filler door. Only the '75-'76 E12 had the fuel filler door in the rear panel. So, perhaps this car started life as one of the ultra-rare 530MLE race cars. Whatever it is, it's very cool!

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Many think the the BMW M1 was the first M car. Indeed, it was supposed to be, but was not due to production delays at Lamborghini. By the time BMW took over production, the car was 4 years late and missed the racing series for which it was intended.

Many think that the first M car was the BMW M535i produced in 1980 and 1981. It was produced to coincide with BMW's F1 racing program.

But, before either of those, there was the BMW M530 Motorsport Limited Edition. In 1976, the BMW 530 MLE was produced as a homologation special (click here!) for a sedan racing series.

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The first of these cars was indeed constructed by BMW Motorsports. It was an experimental race car. Below, you can see the race car, one of the road-going cars, and the famous BMW Turbo concept car. (This is the only photo the author has ever seen of the Turbo outside of a museum.)

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The 201 road-going cars were built by BMW South Africa. They were available only in white with spoilers wheel arch "spats", and BMW Motorsport badges and stripes. Portions of the body were done in aluminum, others in lighter-guage steel. For even more weight reduction, some components were drilled or punched. More on that later.

The factory-modified 3.0L engine produced 147kw (200hp) and 277Nm (204 lbs/ft) at 4300 rpm. The Getrag 265/5 close-ratio five-speed transmission drove the limited-slip differential. The suspension was improved also with Bilstein shocks. Vented brakes were installed in front.

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The interior was decked out in a navy blue velour with Scheel bucket seats in front.

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These cars were raced extensively. Here are some shots of the the race cars in action.

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As noted, some components were aluminum and quite a few others were drilled for lightness. Note the pedal levers, trunk hinges, and rear shelf.

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Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:03 pm

And before that were a series of 530i's built by BMW Motorsport in 1973 for special customers - Paddy Hopkirk and Jonathan Sieff both had one. These were E12 525 shells with 3.0CSL running gear. The first car designed and produced by BMW Motorsport GmbH is the E9 CSL itself but it was never badged with an 'M'. The first car to be badged as such was the M1.
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Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:49 am

i too believe that e12s are in general bin fodder (almost ANY e28 is better) but that white 530 thing with the stripes almost made me wee, it's effing lush :o:
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The white and green one is a car built in 1979-80 for Willi Martini (a BMW test driver) using an unused 74-76 spec shell which is why it has the early rear lights but the later bonnet and grille. I had the pleasure of driving it around a car park about 4-5 years ago and it's now raced by a guy called Patrick Mortier. It's a f*cking animal.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:44 pm

just been offerd a e12 520 by a frend faild on shokers etc new gear box & engine done up 30 tho miles ago he is going to give up driving its a 1978 model not in bad nick ither i did it up for him few yrs ago so he thought i would like the chance to have it. mite use all the stuff of my old 528 i & put it bck on the road for a bit of fun
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:56 pm

It's worth saving if it's free! 1978 - that could be either a four of six cylinder.
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I used to have an E12 528i. Not the quickest car in the world, but great fun nonetheless.
Wasn't as quick as my E28 528i, but the power was all the way up. The E28 was gutless till it was doing over 2K. Nothing off the line till it came onto power, then put you in the boot. E12 was MUCH nicer to drive in my opinion.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:21 pm

Would imagine the 518 would be a bit underpowered. It's quite a large car.
520 would be better, probably a 6 cylinder, a mate of mine had an E12 520 on an S, (78), that was a 6cyl.
Went quick enough for normal use, cruised on the motorway at 85-90. Great car if you're not going to race it.
Watch out for those bl**dy Solex carbs though. Computer controlled crap, often went wrong. Best bet throw it away and put a Weber on it. Manual choke too then.
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:13 pm

yeah its a 6 pot i got a full 528i that im breaking so shockers will fit it i know there good 1s. & i know the car well so its a bit of fun . yeah the carb was sorted along with the enginge & box after i did the body done about 9 yrs ago still looks well apart from a scab on 1 arch & the odd bang im going to make him an offer 50 quid he will prob take it get every thing done & back in for the retest. i dont get charged for that like
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:02 pm

Nice. I loved my old 528i. Much nicer to drive than the E28.
I know people are likely to shoot me down in flames for not liking the E28, but never felt as comfortable driving it. (Driven 2x E12s and 4x E28s too, so wasn't that mine was knackered).
Steering feels horrible in the E28 in my opinion.
Are you putting that 2.8 engine into the 520 too, or just running it as is?
Should be useable daily as a 2.0 with adequate performance. Quicker probably than my 318i auto... :o:
Enjoy it mate.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:41 pm

yeah the e12 is comfortable to drive ive had most of the e28s bar the road block 518.ive lowerd all the 1s ive had makes them handle better. going to use it as a 2.0 for now see how it goes ive driven it a few times bck & too from its mot s it all ways feels like it has a bit for go than the 520i e28. was going to brake it but seemed a shame as it still looks well
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:48 pm

Had a 528i E12 and driven a friends 520.
Had a 528i E28 and driven a friend's and my father-in-law's 520i's, and both of my dad's 525e's,

By far prefer the feel of the E12s. Should be a bit lighter than an E28, which will make it a bit quicker.
Just break one of the cars - the worst one - to keep the other going.
All the best with it. Enjoy
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:34 pm

Here is a picture of my dads E12. :)

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Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:42 pm

Ooohh, that's VERY nice.
That'd be the M535i if I'm not mistaken. One of the very last too on an X reg.
Sweet... :drool: :cool:
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:29 pm

Yes it is an M535I mate, she goes well for an old girl! :)

Cant believe my dad is contemplating selling it :mad:
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