m60 swap ( UPDATE 29.04.07)

[DanThe]

Well you will be shocked to know that
it weighs more than a M30 and we know
how much that affects the handling in a E30.

Andrew

According to this site, the unbuilt M60 weighs a whole 3kg more than an M30

Im sure that if his interest was to go screaming round a track he wouldnt have even considered doing this conversion either

[bigdek]

not with an auto anyway

[DanThe]

I think what andrew is trying to say is

"my cars better than yours, ner ner ne ner neer"

[Yaninnya]

From BMW technical manuals.
Andrew

And where in TIS you found it?
Jan

[Andy325i]

Total respect There is no replacement for displacement Keep us posted


Andy

[DaleR]

Nice work mate , any nikasil issues with that block?.

[Demlotcrew]

Well i get 134kg for the M30
And 154kg for the M60
And 110kg for the S14
And 103kg for the M42

All are dry and totaly bare with just block head and sump/timing covers etc.

Andrew

[Demlotcrew]

I think what andrew is trying to say is

"my cars better than yours, ner ner ne ner neer"

Far from it,

Ive not seen this lads car so i cant comment!

Im just trying to make things transparent so
people can read past all the internet (Maxfield type) bullshit!

Ive had the opportunity to drive and work on many E30 conversions
so i feel like i have good grounds on which i can comment.
You guys can carry on dreaming about 215bhp M50's and lighter than
life V8 blocks.

But ive worked on â┚¬Ã‹Å“properâ┚¬Ã¢”ž¢ M6X conversions and i know quite a bit
about them.

Im only trying to help, but ill refrain from doing so from now on.

Andrew

[Toby_Unna]

Well i get 134kg for the M30
And 154kg for the M60
And 110kg for the S14
And 103kg for the M42

All are dry and totaly bare with just block head and sump/timing covers etc.

Andrew

do your books not have fully dressed weights then?

I'm not going to pretend to know (because I don't) - but I wouldn't be particularly surprised if the M60 was equipped with significantly lighter ancillaries. have you felt the weight of an 535i alternator andrew?

Well you will be shocked to know that
it weighs more than a M30 and we know
how much that affects the handling in a E30.

Andrew

cool, whose M30 car did you drive then, did it go well?

[Demlotcrew]

Toby it was an alpina B6 which has good suspension fitted with bigger brakes.

M60 Alternator 7.5kg
M30 alternator 7.16kg

Both are 140A

Andrew

[m-dtech]

looking good, bit of extra weight upfront aint a bad thing if you wanna drift

[Toby_Unna]

fair enough, did the b6 not handle very well then?

what's a bare m20 weigh according to your books?

do you not know how much the m20/30/60 weigh ready-to-go?

sorry for going O/T Derek.

[e30bemer]

thats gonna be awesome!

proper street sleeper!

[DanThe]

Im only trying to help, but ill refrain from doing so from now on.

Your not trying to help, your trying to be clever.

And from what ive read elsewhere it seems all you want to do is get reactions from people by adding snide comments to their threads

[maxfield]

Demlot what is your problem with me??

Im just trying to make things transparent so
people can read past all the internet (Maxfield type) bullshit!

[DanThe]

He seems to have a problem with a few Maxfield, and I dont know why

According to him ive dreamt my M50 conversion

[maxfield]

You probably did... but then you put that dream into a reality

[Taxin]

Hi you might consider using these for extra space






you can buy them at www.300mm.de EUR 99

Detailed pics of the conversion can be found here itâ┚¬Ã¢”ž¢s in German but the pics might help if you get stuck for ideas I can translate if you get stuck

http://wp1016621.wp027.webpack.hosteuro ... f01459.htm

[bigdek]

spacers not reqd and i dont like that idea personally.


Think i may have just purchased a manual box, clutch , flywheel and clutch cylindwe for the bargain price of Ԛ£150

[DanThe]

You jammy git

[jonbuoy]

This is a great project dude, going well so far

Don't know if this will work but was talking to a mate the other day who build's performance car's for a living and he's going to do this conversion on a customer's car and is under the impression that the M3 manual box from the E36 will fit using the the bell housing shroud from the auto box originally attached to the V12.

I did'nt believe his belief this will work as i'm sure if it's as easy as that then Glenn may have gone down that road with Dips' car

What are your view's? Would it work?

[Yaninnya]

Well i get 134kg for the M30
And 154kg for the M60
And 110kg for the S14
And 103kg for the M42
All are dry and totaly bare with just block head and sump/timing covers etc.

You are taking the weights from ETK not from TIS. Weights in ETK are overall (with pallet, box, securing tapes, etc). It means that if one of these engines is packed in different way (and it usually is when engine is made in different factory) this weight is not adequate at all.
Jan

[DanThe]

Another thing, I reckon an M30's manifolds weigh more than an M60's, M30 has that big ally inlet lump compared to the M60's plastic

[jmc330i]

Don't know if this will work but was talking to a mate the other day who build's performance car's for a living and he's going to do this conversion on a customer's car and is under the impression that the M3 manual box from the E36 will fit using the the bell housing shroud from the auto box originally attached to the V12.

I did'nt believe his belief this will work as i'm sure if it's as easy as that then Glenn may have gone down that road with Dips' car

What are your view's? Would it work?

Im not sure about the E36 M3 6spd box, but the E36 M3 5spd box does not have a detachable bell housing so I dont think that would work.

[bigdek]

i think its the same box but slightly different ratios.

However i dont think the v12 bolt pattern on the bellhousing is the same as the v8.

i had a look through Glenns v12 swap post and it doesn't look the same.

[Demlotcrew]

Well i get 134kg for the M30
And 154kg for the M60
And 110kg for the S14
And 103kg for the M42
All are dry and totaly bare with just block head and sump/timing covers etc.

You are taking the weights from ETK not from TIS. Weights in ETK are overall (with pallet, box, securing tapes, etc). It means that if one of these engines is packed in different way (and it usually is when engine is made in different factory) this weight is not adequate at all.
Jan

Oh so the pallet and straps etc for the S14 weight only 6kg!

They must use carbon fiber.

[glenn]

Think i may have just purchased a manual box, clutch , flywheel and clutch cylindwe for the bargain price of Ԛ£150

that's a good find derek!
the bolt pattern's for the V8 and V12, are different

[buster]

nice conversion bud ! It'll sound awesome

[Yaninnya]

Oh so the pallet and straps etc for the S14 weight only 6kg! They must use carbon fiber.

Could you explain what you are trying to say? I'm trying but I can't guess.
Jan

[gareth]

Im only trying to help, but ill refrain from doing so from now on.

i seem to remember recently helping out a fellow zoner as you tried to above, only to recieve a load of cr4p from you as you seem to disbelieve anything i have to say.

i take it in this instance you have the definitive knowledge / info with which to correctly answer a question that other zoners are speculating over and thought that sharing that information would be well greeted?

glass houses mate.


regarding engine weights, there are other factors to consider. a 'V' engine has a higher centre of gravity as more of it's mass is distributed higher up (two heads, not one). there are also two exhaust manifolds and a heavier exhasut system to consider.

the best way to get a good idea of conversion weights is to get on a weigh bridge (srapyards often have them) before and after doing the conversion. i wish i had as this would be interesting... next time then!

incidentally, the M30 conversion does feel heavier in my touring but as i started with a already heavy M20 touring, the difference was not so pronounced. a conversion from a 4 pot 2 door would feel a lot heavier as the percentage increase in the cars weight would be greater.

[bigdek]

Obviously the springs and shocks will be changed to suit the extra weight.

probably custom springs though as i had h & r on my touring and they were ok but i feel they could be improved on

At a bit of a stand still just now as my manual box is coming next week ( woohoo).

will be sorting the brake servo out this weekend and will make a start on the headers i think.

[gareth]

my manual box is coming next week ( woohoo).

result!

did it set you back much?

[bigdek]

LOL .

Bargain of the century.

Clutch, flywheel, gearbox , clutch slave cylinder

Ԛ£150 notes .

being delivered next week

[Andy325i]

Nice What box is it you are using?


Andy

[bigdek]

5 spd from 530 v8