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Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:56 pm

Well, 1stly , yes I am alive, had a few PM's guess you've all missed me then :lol:

Project 1: Supply/Fit 350HP Turbo conversion to M20B25 engine, complete with MsnWasted Spark.

off to a slow start with this one, the original engine is FUBAR, so a replacement has been sourced ( mine :cry: ) and is currently topless awaiting some machining to drop the CR a tad, and some parts for the FI setup.

The parts have finally started to arrive so will make some rapid progress in the next week or so, aiming for an appearance @ surrey roling road, all being well !

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Project 2: same as one really :lol:

this one is for Mr Fowler, were using a 324td crank, CR in the 7.43:1 range, custom everything on this baby :lol: target HP, well, I'm not saying, but its another Megasquirt and Wasted setup, and will feature Holset's finest when the bottom end is run in .

Project 3: Cant say much about this one, some will know the car in question ( Shhhhh Ben !! ) sworn to secrecy on this one by the owner on pain of death( not a zoner BTW )

this one has been turbo'd by someone else.... so basically its rip out all the dubious stuff, and make good on whats left, again MS for this one, in fact she ran for the 1st time in 17 months today, goes well :D

Project 4: This one is mine( E86YKK) , gonna be a fill in for the winter slump, but new engine and complete new FI setup are waiting in the wings, no MS on this, its there already :wink:

Project 5: this one could be you :lol:

sorry if I've bored you all, but its too late, I've posted anyways winkeye
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Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:01 pm

Might have a early lump to drop to you... winkeye
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Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:05 pm

CR in the 7.43:1 range
Jesus Christ dude!

What the hell's that all about?! :twisted:

With a CR so low, we can deduce Mr Fowler's aiming for a low orbit? Presumably the pistons and rods are being uprated to make use of the extra strength in the crank and the incredibly low CR? :)
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Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:06 pm

Think he's trying to take on vs motors. lol
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Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:13 pm

Folwer wants a rocket touring OMG im staying off the roa dwhen he gets that were all gonna suffer winkeye
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Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:16 pm

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CR in the 7.43:1 range


Jesus Christ dude!

What the hell's that all about?!

With a CR so low, we can deduce Mr Fowler's aiming for a low orbit?
Mate, he's aiming for the stars :lol: put it this way... needs a 4 Bar Map sensor for this one
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Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:17 pm

Sounds like fun. Are you going to encounter problems putting all this power through the drivetrain and still get traction.

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Post Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:07 am

I think you have the wrong Ben Ant. See it's actually my car fowler wanted you to put the engine in and not his, so i'll be dropping it off later to you winkeye
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Post Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:12 am

Mate, he's aiming for the stars :lol: put it this way... needs a 4 Bar Map sensor for this one
:o that's insane! What turbo you using on it?!
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Post Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:44 pm

Ant wrote:needs a 4 Bar Map sensor for this one
now i'm no expert on all this whoosy pishy hair dryer technology, but i do know that to achieve that he is gonna need somthing that puts vidal sassoon's maxx power blow drier to shame :o
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Post Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:07 pm

Ant wrote: CR in the 7.43:1 range,
yoiks 8O
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Post Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:16 pm

I think you have the wrong Ben Ant. See it's actually my car fowler wanted you to put the engine in and not his, so i'll be dropping it off later to you
Ben/Booty, bring it down fella, gimme a week or so though yeah :lol:
that's insane! What turbo you using on it?!
Alex, for running in, a T3 Hybrid that was once on a Skyline GTS-T 2.5 6cyl single turbo, after the running in, no doubt a Holset in the HX35/40 series, big comp and huuuuuge Turbine housing to let the engine breathe.

Chris, the turbo is a dark art, Big is not necessarily the best, but yup, to pull 30+ psi, its gonna be something from a 10 litre truck engine 8O, cant use a T3/T4, T70 series, the turbine housings are way to restrictive.

Wilson, when we doing yours dude :lol:
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Post Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:38 pm

Ant wrote:
Chris, the turbo is a dark art, Big is not necessarily the best, but yup, to pull 30+ psi, its gonna be something from a 10 litre truck engine 8O, cant use a T3/T4, T70 series, the turbine housings are way to restrictive.

Wilson, when we doing yours dude :lol:
too true, i certainly wouldn't like to try and drive such a modded engine at anyhting other than full tilt.....must behave a bit "off-colour" as it were in comparison to what its like once spooled, and that sudden belt of power.......should make it intersting in the wrong hands........yet awesome in the right ones :twisted:
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:26 am

too true, i certainly wouldn't like to try and drive such a modded engine at anyhting other than full tilt.....must behave a bit "off-colour" as it were in comparison to what its like once spooled, and that sudden belt of power.......should make it intersting in the wrong hands........yet awesome in the right ones

Ant i was thinking that too. What are you going to use to stop all that lag? I also know how Ben drives and hope you know he'll be coming back for a rebuild every week :eek:
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:26 am

Quick Question dudes

How much would it ruffly cost for a reliable Turbo conversion?
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:52 am

Depends on how much power you want mate. Obviously the more power you want, the more work that your engine would require and the more it will cost. I'd say a realistic figure for a nice turbo with after market management would be around Ԛ£5k, but can be done less if you can do some of the work yourself.
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:17 am

Ant i was thinking that too. What are you going to use to stop all that lag
well, based on experience with Fozzys monster Holset, the lag is less of an issue than you may think, remember, heat is the key to reducing lag, so given that EGT ( exhaust gas temp) is a function of ignition timing, and we have full control over everything including dwell, I'm sure Lag will be the least of Fowlers worries, affording the fuel/tyres/propcouplings and diffs might be though :lol:

5K will would get you a rebuilt( stronger) bottom end and head with all recommmended FI upgrades in place, and a decent sized turbo/intercooler/management combo.

A correctly specced hybrid Turbo will be Ԛ£1090.00 on its own 8O you can "make do" with a smaller off the shelf unit if you aims are lower than 300 HP though.
I also know how Ben drives and hope you know he'll be coming back for a rebuild every week
:lol: yup, I too have felt the might of Bens' right foot , I can protect his investment with limiters, traction control, boost control and water injection if the need arises, the only conversion to poop itself so far is Erel's( blingsta) but that was a cracked head issue on his newly built( not by me I may add ! ) 2.7 conversion, as I said before, he's just bloody unlucky I think

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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:23 am

OI!

Get to work! LOL
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:27 am

I spoke to PPF who are the ones responsible for some of the crazy E30's running 800bhp+ and they wanted around Ԛ£9k for a reliable 450bhp set up winkeye

My booty is sore now, but i only have Ԛ£8.5k more to make :o:
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:52 am

350bhp 8O

better turn the boost up on mine then

glad to hear you're keeping busy Ant.
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:35 pm

Don't want the EGTs too high or you're gonna start losing exhaust valve heads!

Don't forget that having the timing too far retarded can be just as damaging as having it too far advanced peeps :)
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:36 pm

Toby_Unna wrote:350bhp 8O

better turn the boost up on mine then
Toby,

Ant passed on your news, fecking awesome mate :cool:
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:50 pm

Sounds like some good projects going off here. Keep us updated
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:14 pm

fozzymonster wrote:
Toby_Unna wrote:350bhp 8O

better turn the boost up on mine then
Toby,

Ant passed on your news, fecking awesome mate :cool:
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:17 pm

Toby_Unna wrote:
fozzymonster wrote:
Toby_Unna wrote:350bhp 8O

better turn the boost up on mine then
Toby,

Ant passed on your news, fecking awesome mate :cool:
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I nearly fell over when he said it was ATW too!

Rock on dude! seems those m30's like a bit of boost too then :twisted:
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:04 pm

Ooh you had a power run Toby? :D
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:28 pm

yup :D

only tagged along to a pug club session so just a quick run up and no chart to post i'm afraid :(

although this will be remedied in the near future hopefully...

anyway. most 205 1.9gtis were making in the region 100-110 at wheels, the bimmer (still at 7psi) then did comfortably over 300 :twisted:

sorry for hijack Ant :wink:
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:35 pm

comfortably over 300
A bit of an under statement dude :cool:
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:54 pm

Another couple of conversions and Ant would be able to afford himself a new ferrari!!!.. Well done Ant, your a top fella, certainly know your stuff mate, just a shame that it had to be my conversion that went tits up. ! ive been busing it to work and back for a few days now coz my engines shagged, but new engine is lined up for install in next week or so, so fingers crossed, just gonna be a standard 325 lump with thick H/H and non stretch bolts. see if engine holds out for me this time round?? Ant earlier in this thread you mentioned something about a stronger bottom end? how can that be achieved mate?? :D
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:05 pm

using arp non stretch bolts on the bottom end, different crank etc
its taken 9 months of research and part finding for my turbo install i just cant wait as its my b,day next week
it will be a great present for me from myself
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:25 pm

where in the bottom end do you use these bolts :?:
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:37 pm

crank bolts
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Post Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:14 pm

are they worth using on a standard bottom end? and where can you buy these bolts from?
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Post Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:25 am

Girls if you want to shove rods and cranks up your bottom end fine, but can we not broadcast it on a public forum please :x
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Post Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:36 am

bootyman wrote:Girls if you want to shove rods and cranks up your bottom end fine, but can we not broadcast it on a public forum please :x
Sick sick man :roll:


Some nice proects there Ant, Make sure you take loads of pics for the customers to see.
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