waying conversion options, need speed

[kunjani]

i have an 86 325i (low compresion or high?)
she's chipped i think unichip, i dont now what she's putting out (bhp)

ok guys iv'e got my learning books out: Teach me please
I WANT MORE POWER, What is Best inturms of bang for buck conversion
e34 525i 24v (fear not a great differance),e28 m535,e34 535.
what do i use for 330 conversion, are there any good one's im missing

if this happens again i might want to turbo the new motor
i havent given a (bhp aim coz i waying the options)

oh and would it be better 2 buy the whole car for spares or just part by part

[gcorky]

ok youve got a higher compression version....better off in my unbiased opinion to go for turbo ......best bang for buck as ...those engines aint gonna see 230bhp bolted in from donor..you are gonna get the various fans on now....another debate me thinks....

[blingsta]

gcorky, do you mean turbo the high comp lump or swop for the later lower comp and turbo that??

[kunjani]

you are gonna get the various fans on now....another debate me thinks....

sorry bro didnt catch you drift on this last line
also price of turbo v.s. engine swap ( wish i didnt have 2 care about the money)
is it self doable or rather not (reckon plumbing could be shit)

[Andy335Touring]

you are gonna get the various fans on now....another debate me thinks....

Different people favour different ways to get there power fix, some like turbos and some like engine swaps/etc

[gcorky]

gcorky, do you mean turbo the high comp lump or swop for the later lower comp and turbo that??

turbo browns is early high comp...upto what boost this is ok ,i dont know...i keep sayin high compression,i mean higher as the prefacelift is not accepted as a high comp engine in the real world.


you said BEST BANG FOR BUCK... the engines you quoted arnt in my book,best bang for buck-budget 2.7eta build maybe due to its low price.....if you want power as said say 300 bhp which option is proven ,cheaper.....forced induction..but you saidd in the end you may want turbo....so youve answered your own question....

[kunjani]

ok and when the time comes to get more power if this motors turbo'd then were to go,?

i was thinking with engine swap for now.
when i need to increase as always happens i have forced induction option

what do reckon boys open to all differances in opinion

[jmc330i]

e34 525i 24v (fear not a great differance).
what do i use for 330 conversion

I drove a 2.5 24v converted E30 today - I can tell you now, there is a difference over the 2.5 12v.

When you say '330 conversion', what do you mean?

[kunjani]

james your cab actually gave me a the conversion idea, what motor did you use e34 530 or e32 730
in south africa the e30 came out in a multi valve same as e34 525i, i had one she ran like a hoar, but truth be told my hart wants more

[jmc330i]

james your cab actually gave me a the conversion idea, what motor did you use e34 530 or e32 730

E36 M3 3.0ltr 24v engine

Its basically the same conversion as using the E36/E34 M50 2.5 engine, but with a few more headaches along the way and more money needed

in south africa the e30 came out in a multi valve same as e34 525i

I never new that
What engine did it use?

[kunjani]

it was called a shadowline it came with 325is evo1 race checked interior, pre facelift, used the same motor as the e34 525i 24v, and before i put my chip on my current e30 there is no chance they would run together ( she was fast)


E36 m3 motor big hassle to convert ? ( lots and loads of cash +/- ?)

is it possible 2 use 530i e34 motor and would there be a great differance in spendature
also know of any good sites or places to find a motor or is it better to by the whole car so i have spares

[jmc330i]

E36 m3 motor big hassle to convert ? ( lots and loads of cash +/- ?)

is it possible 2 use 530i e34 motor and would there be a great differance in spendature
also know of any good sites or places to find a motor or is it better to by the whole car so i have spares

M3 engines arent cheap in the first place and then you need to budget for exhaust manifold work, exhaust work and uprated suspension and brakes.

If youre going to the trouble of fitting the 530i motor (assuming M30) you may as well fit the 535i motor - much more worth while with the same amount of work as the 530i motor.

I bought just the engine, box etc, but buying a complete donor car is sometimes worth it - you can always make some money back selling the bits you dont need/use.

[kunjani]

cool i looked at buying an m535i yesterday for donor car but cheapest would be Ԛ£1400
must say its a nice car though

do you know where i can look for a engine

ill see if i can find some photos of the shadowline lying around

[kunjani]

ok im loking at s38 looks very nice how hard is conversion and m30 looks good

[jmc330i]

S38 is a monster conversion. Same problems as the S50 with regards to exhaust manifolds etc and same as the M30 with regards space and the need for custom engine mounts.

Heres one M5 S38 conversion thats being done here on the Zone... Click Here


You can pick up a complete 535i/735i (M30) or 525i (M50) for a couple hundred notes normally - you know the rusty MOT failures, thats probably the easiest way.
If you dony want to get a donor car and just want the engine/box you could try any of the BMW breakers listed in the back of PBMW/TBMW mags. FAB, Quarry and BM Bitz come to mind.

ill see if i can find some photos of the shadowline lying around

That would be good

[kunjani]

so i would require custom engine mounts for m30 aswell/ what about m50 also cust mounts?

and with m5o do i need to change the manifold ( although i probably would put a tubular one on in any case)

sideshafts, propshaft, diff, or is m50 more or less plug and play

[cliffybabe]

kunjani, Have a chat with folwer and Mattg at Guildford mate, Fowler is currently having a turbo done by Ant and Mattg is having lads of bits done at the moment by Ant.

Also there be a few other guys there who have chatted abotu 2.7 conversion lumps etc, I know me and Az have looked at a 2.7 conversion

[kunjani]

cool cliffy, i was gonna try pm you later to get some directions once in guildford, seeing as you probably 5 - 10 minutes max from me!

don't know guildford to well

[fowler]

its all about the benjamins baby
it all cost shed loads of dollar
best bang for the buck is a N/A m20 on mega squirt

[kunjani]

maga squirt being nitrosoxide ? i bet but no thanks
(funny story though)

a guy back home wiyh a dakar yellow e36 m3 had it turbo'd and gased, came collection time i had been at my freinds car lot across the road, and we were to keen to see this beaut.
the mechanic told the owner, ok when driving dont pump gas in first or summin along those lines,
the owner said in his thick accent "hey boet iv'e been driving for years, i know what can and can't be done.
he settled everything, got in his car, and squeezed her flat in first, and um ....... pop


"hey boet iv'e been driving for years, i know what can and can't be done.

[fowler]

mega squirt stand alone engine management
NOS would be another idea ask matt G he has some matt which car is gonna make an appearnce on wed then

[cliffybabe]

its all about the benjamins baby
it all cost shed loads of dollar
best bang for the buck is a N/A m20 on mega squirt

[fowler]

next mod then neil Mega squirt !!!! it all the way

[kunjani]

if unichip works as a piggy back on to your current ecu (what i have now)

then megasquirt would be to replace the whole ecu for an aftermarket performance one without any piggyback?

is this correct?


i se your lovinthis symbol today cliffy(or is it just part of the post whore syndrome?)

[cliffybabe]

cool cliffy, i was gonna try pm you later to get some directions once in guildford, seeing as you probably 5 - 10 minutes max from me!

don't know guildford to well

Do u know caterham or warlingham fella you could meet up with us and convoy if u want fella

[cliffybabe]

next mod then neil Mega squirt !!!! it all the way

Maybe

[Demlotcrew]

its all about the benjamins baby
it all cost shed loads of dollar
best bang for the buck is a N/A m20 on mega squirt

Well i think that Maxx another option for the M20

Andrew

[kunjani]

its all about the benjamins baby
it all cost shed loads of dollar
best bang for the buck is a N/A m20 on mega squirt

Well i think that Maxx another option for the M20

Andrew

whats maxx bro

[Demlotcrew]

http://www.maxx-automotive.de/

[kunjani]

oh my god thats out of this world cool bro all that writing and pictures,



oh yeah i forgot were can i pick up a chineese dictionary so i can learn german quick bro

You speak chineese?

[Ant]

Maxx looks good, 16x16 tables are Ok ( MS is 12x12 but dual tables make that 24x24 if you wanted )

software looks nice and logical/easy to use, cant find a timing trim function on there Andrew, is this TBA still ? costs would be nice too, for comparison sake.

must say, Maxx looks easy to get up and runing outa the box but I'm staying MS, its taken me almost 3 years to get my head around all the software and harware variables, need to rest a while before the next challenge

[kunjani]

oh ok its a proggramme sorry guys

my brain died (time to borrow yours)

[cliffybabe]

kunjani, U cant wrong fella dips, ant, Si, Ben, stu, Kos all being at the guildofrd meet lods of different blokes to chat to about a power increase

[kunjani]

"U cant wrong fella dips " (didn't catch what that meant bro

yeah when i said borrow their brain i wasnt being litteral ( i was just implying that my brainl feels soft right now)

so i might need a conversion on that any intelligent donors (cars aside)? lol

[Ant]

asuming I make the meet, I'll bring the laptop down and plug into MattG's touring, then your brain will really hurt