Hi peeps just got my pc with all the pads, just wanted to know has anyone done this after our guru Jon's recommendations? My bm suppose to be red but its oxidised in few places and its gone bit pink!
I looked thru this section but couldnt find anything by jon to state step by step guide of how to use zaino. (i am blind sometimes)
Any ideas guy's? Also what z number do I use for my paintwork? (brill red)
NB: anyone know if Menzerna is any good?
Where is our guru Jon?
zaino and PC
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Ive just done a semi Zaino on my red tourer, results of which you will be able to see on ebay tonight.
Basically I washed down with Meguiars NXT shampoo and lambswool mitt, then clayed with Quik clay lubed with Quik detailer. Another wash then got down to the real stuff...
Applied Zaino Z-PC (paint cleaner) using a rotary and Megs cutting pad, this is a pretty aggresive combinatiation but I had some serious swirls and some oxidation to get through. I then foolishly wiped down and applied Z2 Pro by hand very sparingly and stood back and admired.
A couple of days later and the sun was beaming on it, bloody holograms everywhere. Got shown the error of my ways on www.detailingworld.com and hit it again with the Z-PC with a polishing pad and then a finshing pad to try and remove the holograms and also used Quik detailer to spritz the pads - basically by leaving it done with a cutting pad I had done half a job.
I am still to put on the Z2Pro as it will only accentuate the base finish and I have a couple of issues to sort out but on the whole its ok stuff to use, even if its jsut the ZPC for a paint clean and Z2Pro to seal. I didnt bother with the accelerator but then I am not after putting loads of coats on one after another.
You probably wont get the holograms with a PC either, and the BM paint is pretty hard so you should be ok with ZPC.
Hope this helps,
Pad
Basically I washed down with Meguiars NXT shampoo and lambswool mitt, then clayed with Quik clay lubed with Quik detailer. Another wash then got down to the real stuff...
Applied Zaino Z-PC (paint cleaner) using a rotary and Megs cutting pad, this is a pretty aggresive combinatiation but I had some serious swirls and some oxidation to get through. I then foolishly wiped down and applied Z2 Pro by hand very sparingly and stood back and admired.
A couple of days later and the sun was beaming on it, bloody holograms everywhere. Got shown the error of my ways on www.detailingworld.com and hit it again with the Z-PC with a polishing pad and then a finshing pad to try and remove the holograms and also used Quik detailer to spritz the pads - basically by leaving it done with a cutting pad I had done half a job.
I am still to put on the Z2Pro as it will only accentuate the base finish and I have a couple of issues to sort out but on the whole its ok stuff to use, even if its jsut the ZPC for a paint clean and Z2Pro to seal. I didnt bother with the accelerator but then I am not after putting loads of coats on one after another.
You probably wont get the holograms with a PC either, and the BM paint is pretty hard so you should be ok with ZPC.
Hope this helps,
Pad
heres link to Jons guide, there is a few others he's done here and there in this section.
http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... ic&t=25586
you need to wash the car with fairy lquid first to remove all previous products.
sure jon will be along soon.
http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... ic&t=25586
you need to wash the car with fairy lquid first to remove all previous products.
sure jon will be along soon.
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ok
first merzerna products are top notch
few flaws in process above imho
wash car in washing up liquid.this will remove a lot of previous waxes etc which you dont want.zaino wants to be on top of clean paint/laquer or itself
if you do anything else you cannot expect zaino to work its best as its sitting on another product its not designed to
dry car off
i take it you have 3 pads
one aggressive,one fine and one finishing pad
depends on damage to paint but with what you have said id use most aggressive first as you have pink etc
i dont know all the zaino products you have but heres what i would do
spray pad lightly with z8 just to lubricate or z16
draw a cross on surface of pad from edge to edge with zpc
now take area say top of dorr.this is size of area you wanna be doing at a time
randomly put pad to paint surface all over this area leaving crosses of zpc
now palce pc on level3 and put to surface but dont switch on til you are on paint
as it starts move to position 5
now work product in panel left to right pass and then up and down pass so you cover whole area at constant pressure and speed
keep working the product until you see the product begin to kind of dissappear
at this point remove product and inspect
any blemishes left then go again
heres the skil bit really
knoweing how much pressure and speed etc but you wont do any harm so just expeeriment
you will find your way
work whole car like this removing all blemishes you can
then repeat using finer pad.this will polish laquer/paint further and remove any micromarring but to honest i doubt you will have any but do do it as it will improve gloss.
at this point i would wash car with zaino car wash and remove all dust
if you dont have zaino car wash dont wash at tghis point as i stated at beginning we dont wanna cross products
now use finishing pad ie non abrasive
if you are using the z1 then apply this first
very very very thin layer applied at speed three on pc
now without letting to dry apply in non metallics case z3 or metallics z2 pro
nice and thin layer all over car and let dry
if you arent using z1 but the acceleratoer then follow instructions for this and apply z2 pro/z3 straight to panel without z1
you MUST use either z1 or accelerator
if you dont the finish wont be as good and the zaino will not cure properly giving far inferior results and massively reduced durability
i would then apply z8 spray on top once z2/z3 has been removed and leave for at least 24 hours before layering more
then id go z2/z3 whichever you are using then z8 and keep going
do not be tempted to put other manufacturers products on top of zaino as it will diminish results
hope that helps a little
john
oh and only use best microfibre to wash,dry,apply and remove
john
first merzerna products are top notch
few flaws in process above imho
wash car in washing up liquid.this will remove a lot of previous waxes etc which you dont want.zaino wants to be on top of clean paint/laquer or itself
if you do anything else you cannot expect zaino to work its best as its sitting on another product its not designed to
dry car off
i take it you have 3 pads
one aggressive,one fine and one finishing pad
depends on damage to paint but with what you have said id use most aggressive first as you have pink etc
i dont know all the zaino products you have but heres what i would do
spray pad lightly with z8 just to lubricate or z16
draw a cross on surface of pad from edge to edge with zpc
now take area say top of dorr.this is size of area you wanna be doing at a time
randomly put pad to paint surface all over this area leaving crosses of zpc
now palce pc on level3 and put to surface but dont switch on til you are on paint
as it starts move to position 5
now work product in panel left to right pass and then up and down pass so you cover whole area at constant pressure and speed
keep working the product until you see the product begin to kind of dissappear
at this point remove product and inspect
any blemishes left then go again
heres the skil bit really
knoweing how much pressure and speed etc but you wont do any harm so just expeeriment
you will find your way
work whole car like this removing all blemishes you can
then repeat using finer pad.this will polish laquer/paint further and remove any micromarring but to honest i doubt you will have any but do do it as it will improve gloss.
at this point i would wash car with zaino car wash and remove all dust
if you dont have zaino car wash dont wash at tghis point as i stated at beginning we dont wanna cross products
now use finishing pad ie non abrasive
if you are using the z1 then apply this first
very very very thin layer applied at speed three on pc
now without letting to dry apply in non metallics case z3 or metallics z2 pro
nice and thin layer all over car and let dry
if you arent using z1 but the acceleratoer then follow instructions for this and apply z2 pro/z3 straight to panel without z1
you MUST use either z1 or accelerator
if you dont the finish wont be as good and the zaino will not cure properly giving far inferior results and massively reduced durability
i would then apply z8 spray on top once z2/z3 has been removed and leave for at least 24 hours before layering more
then id go z2/z3 whichever you are using then z8 and keep going
do not be tempted to put other manufacturers products on top of zaino as it will diminish results
hope that helps a little
john
oh and only use best microfibre to wash,dry,apply and remove
john
Hi,
sorry for the hijack...
John, thanks for pointing out the errors, I am just a novice at this. I only used the megs car wash and clay on the premise that the ZPC would be the the basis for the clean paint. I didnt use megs stuff after applying the ZPC, only Z2Pro but will try and replace the megs stuff with Zaino inthe future..
I am surprised that I must use the accelerator though, I was led to believe it was only needed if you wanted to apply coat on coat quickly?
Cheers,
Pad
sorry for the hijack...
John, thanks for pointing out the errors, I am just a novice at this. I only used the megs car wash and clay on the premise that the ZPC would be the the basis for the clean paint. I didnt use megs stuff after applying the ZPC, only Z2Pro but will try and replace the megs stuff with Zaino inthe future..
I am surprised that I must use the accelerator though, I was led to believe it was only needed if you wanted to apply coat on coat quickly?
Cheers,
Pad
hi
np just trying to help
regards z1/accelerator here quote from sal zaino himself
"For any Zaino polish application, it's critical to include either ZFX OR Z-1 Polish Lok. For that show car finish,"
john
np just trying to help
regards z1/accelerator here quote from sal zaino himself
"For any Zaino polish application, it's critical to include either ZFX OR Z-1 Polish Lok. For that show car finish,"
john
Would I need to mask up trims before applying ZPC?
menzerma is for surface prep
ie removing dead paint,swirls scratches etc
essentially their compounds etc are really really good
all id say is that zaini zpc is easier as its 1 product and as a beginner a nice place to start
with menz you will need to work through their graded products
this in turn will with the right use of pc and pad selection give you a better finished surface before application of zaino.this zpc is zainos first abrasive product and its only been around 12 months or so
as a 1 step product its as good if not better as anything else and is easy to use and gives results far better than a lot of 2 and 3 stage compounds
compounds vary in aggressiveness and can become potentially dangerous to paint if used incorrectly ie taking too much off etc
my advice is get hang of pc with zpc and once confident push your gained experience with 2 and 3 stage compounds
i use the stuff along with 3M products
its far more involved but if you have the patience and are prepared to put work in then thats the route to go
you will need a lot of pads tho as with one set you will have to keep washing them
i soak in fairy liquid soapy water
work product out of foam with hands
then rinse really well with clean water
then i put them on pc
speed 6 and let it spin for 30 secs
that will dry them off
yes i tape up mouldings
not a prob with zaino but mernz will mark plastics
hth
john
ie removing dead paint,swirls scratches etc
essentially their compounds etc are really really good
all id say is that zaini zpc is easier as its 1 product and as a beginner a nice place to start
with menz you will need to work through their graded products
this in turn will with the right use of pc and pad selection give you a better finished surface before application of zaino.this zpc is zainos first abrasive product and its only been around 12 months or so
as a 1 step product its as good if not better as anything else and is easy to use and gives results far better than a lot of 2 and 3 stage compounds
compounds vary in aggressiveness and can become potentially dangerous to paint if used incorrectly ie taking too much off etc
my advice is get hang of pc with zpc and once confident push your gained experience with 2 and 3 stage compounds
i use the stuff along with 3M products
its far more involved but if you have the patience and are prepared to put work in then thats the route to go
you will need a lot of pads tho as with one set you will have to keep washing them
i soak in fairy liquid soapy water
work product out of foam with hands
then rinse really well with clean water
then i put them on pc
speed 6 and let it spin for 30 secs
that will dry them off
yes i tape up mouldings
not a prob with zaino but mernz will mark plastics
hth
john
please dont take me wrongPad wrote:Hi,
sorry for the hijack...
John, thanks for pointing out the errors, I am just a novice at this. I only used the megs car wash and clay on the premise that the ZPC would be the the basis for the clean paint. I didnt use megs stuff after applying the ZPC, only Z2Pro but will try and replace the megs stuff with Zaino inthe future..
I am surprised that I must use the accelerator though, I was led to believe it was only needed if you wanted to apply coat on coat quickly?
Cheers,
Pad
in principal yes zpc will remove a large amount of previous product but remember this will end up clogged in pad etc
just a pointer really ie if you are going to wash car anyway then rather than add more product that ultimately you are to remove
wash with something that will help to strip the crap away
obviously you only use the fairy the first time you prep your paint
hth
john
Thanks Jon, Im waiting on the Zaino stuff, The problem is I dont have a garage so it will have to be done in the open 
Any tips? I will as you said gain experience with zaino first before moving onto other products without a doubt.
So I should be ok with one set of pads at the mo then?
Cheers jon.
Any tips? I will as you said gain experience with zaino first before moving onto other products without a doubt. So I should be ok with one set of pads at the mo then?
Cheers jon.
Hi Jon I did the car with the Zaino I zpc'd all the panels with the agressive pad it did remove some swirls but there is still lot more left. I ended up using half of the bottle on the car, is that right? or Im I using too much?
Also how do I get these swirls out? I went over the bonnet probably 5 times still no joy. I didnt use the medium pad as you stated but I thought that wouldnt get rid of the swirls.
Im probably using wrong pressure?
Also how do I get these swirls out?
I went over the bonnet probably 5 times still no joy. I didnt use the medium pad as you stated but I thought that wouldnt get rid of the swirls.Im probably using wrong pressure?
jesus!!!
i have used just under half a bottle
ive done at least 6 cars!!!
id say u r using too much
there is a nack to using porter.
pad choice,speed,product,pressure and how long to work product
ok wash your yellow oad out
hot soapy(fairy liquid) water
work all the product out of the pad with fingers
rinse really well with clean water to get soap out
dry naturally or put on porter speed 6 for 30 secs
the excees product you have applied will quickly clog pad
pad will have become less effective quite quickly
ok spray pad with z8 very kwik mist.this helps lube pad
thin cross from edges of pad of product
choose say 1/3 of bonnet
id your marks and know their location
4 or 5 imprints of the product off the pad on to this area evenly spaced
this gives even coverage and doesnt fill pad up
place pad on paint with pc not spinning
set speed to 3
this reduces sling of product
once running increase to 5-51/2
work your area with moderate pressure moving slowly over panel
speed of travel can be guaged by this..... when you move pad on paint you will see circles of the product
these should appear to be say 15 mm apart from the last one if that makes sense
keep this speed up and go up and down bonnet until you have covered your area
then repeat going side to side all over
i will poss do this pass 6 times
6 up and down 6 side to side
by this time you will see product begin to kind of become more transparent
turn off and remove zpc with m/f
look at surface and see whats been removed
there will prob be some marks left
some areas will be good and you will be happy with them
the ones you are not then reload pad with product and just work those areas
you will start to get a feel for it and you will see what pressue and length of time working the product works best for you
dont go for the whole car next time
just say set yourself say a wing
do not move on until you have removed all you want to
keep going and i promise by doing this you will learn more in an hour or so than you will trying to do whole car
when you are happy you have removed heavy stuff and swirls are gone then go to fine abrasive pad
mist it
small amount of product and same speeds but little less pressure give panel couple of passes at same travelling speed
this will nicely gloss the paint surface
wipe off
when you get to that point and blemishes are gone and paint looks better than you have had it WITH polish on then you are ready to tackle the whole car
patience is the key
the more time spent prepping the far better results you will get
applying polish with porter will take me 15 /20 mins tops
prep has taken me days!!!
once prep is done you have cracked it
pics would help me as i cant see damage and i may be able to suggest a diff product....maybe but zpc is very very very good and you wont damage anything with it
better to remove marks in 3 attempts than to use a more aggressive product and take too much
remember all swirls will differ in depth etc
so just because you can still see them doesnt mean they are as deep as they were
i know its hard to tell u this but dont be afraid of it
be positive with the porter and you will grow in confidence
you have a pm
john
i have used just under half a bottle
ive done at least 6 cars!!!
id say u r using too much
there is a nack to using porter.
pad choice,speed,product,pressure and how long to work product
ok wash your yellow oad out
hot soapy(fairy liquid) water
work all the product out of the pad with fingers
rinse really well with clean water to get soap out
dry naturally or put on porter speed 6 for 30 secs
the excees product you have applied will quickly clog pad
pad will have become less effective quite quickly
ok spray pad with z8 very kwik mist.this helps lube pad
thin cross from edges of pad of product
choose say 1/3 of bonnet
id your marks and know their location
4 or 5 imprints of the product off the pad on to this area evenly spaced
this gives even coverage and doesnt fill pad up
place pad on paint with pc not spinning
set speed to 3
this reduces sling of product
once running increase to 5-51/2
work your area with moderate pressure moving slowly over panel
speed of travel can be guaged by this..... when you move pad on paint you will see circles of the product
these should appear to be say 15 mm apart from the last one if that makes sense
keep this speed up and go up and down bonnet until you have covered your area
then repeat going side to side all over
i will poss do this pass 6 times
6 up and down 6 side to side
by this time you will see product begin to kind of become more transparent
turn off and remove zpc with m/f
look at surface and see whats been removed
there will prob be some marks left
some areas will be good and you will be happy with them
the ones you are not then reload pad with product and just work those areas
you will start to get a feel for it and you will see what pressue and length of time working the product works best for you
dont go for the whole car next time
just say set yourself say a wing
do not move on until you have removed all you want to
keep going and i promise by doing this you will learn more in an hour or so than you will trying to do whole car
when you are happy you have removed heavy stuff and swirls are gone then go to fine abrasive pad
mist it
small amount of product and same speeds but little less pressure give panel couple of passes at same travelling speed
this will nicely gloss the paint surface
wipe off
when you get to that point and blemishes are gone and paint looks better than you have had it WITH polish on then you are ready to tackle the whole car
patience is the key
the more time spent prepping the far better results you will get
applying polish with porter will take me 15 /20 mins tops
prep has taken me days!!!
once prep is done you have cracked it
pics would help me as i cant see damage and i may be able to suggest a diff product....maybe but zpc is very very very good and you wont damage anything with it
better to remove marks in 3 attempts than to use a more aggressive product and take too much
remember all swirls will differ in depth etc
so just because you can still see them doesnt mean they are as deep as they were
i know its hard to tell u this but dont be afraid of it
be positive with the porter and you will grow in confidence
you have a pm
john
Thanks Jon, I knew I was using too much! U havnt got a pic of how much zpc to use on pad by any chance?
NB Im not too good with cameras but I will try to take some pics this week sometime and try to upload.
Also I didnt receive no PM.
thanks again Jon.
NB Im not too good with cameras but I will try to take some pics this week sometime and try to upload.
Also I didnt receive no PM.
thanks again Jon.
pm sent again
ill see what i can find
john
ill see what i can find
john
here u go
i use a little less than this but this is a good guide
john
hth
i use a little less than this but this is a good guide
john
hth
then id suggest you were loading pad too soon ie not getting full use of product on pad
it does go miles and miles
and as you load the pad you build up product in the pad and so u need to put less and less on ..........if that makes sense
john
it does go miles and miles
and as you load the pad you build up product in the pad and so u need to put less and less on ..........if that makes sense
john
Hi Jon, I did my black car during the weekend!!! boy is it hard work!!!! I still havent finshed yet!!! Jon I seem to get rid of finer scratches but I still have alot of medium scrathes on the bodywork. Ive had 2-3 attempts at some parts still the same!!! What sort of pressure would you be using on the pc. i feel that when you put a bit of pressure the pad stops spinning! is that normal?
Cheers for your advice
What sort of pressure would you be using on the pc. i feel that when you put a bit of pressure the pad stops spinning! is that normal?Cheers for your advice
ok
what pad are you using
john
what pad are you using
john
ill pm you later with some suggestions
john
john