3l m3 engine specs/prices

[dazleeds]

as above

has anyone got the full power specs etc for this engine??

also what sort of price do they go for??

there could be a new project on the cards here

need to know the good the bad and the ugly regarding this engine

cheers

Daz

[Blitz]

They go for about £5000 to £9000 for a car but i dont know how much the engine goes for
2nd hand
engine S50 B30 Inline-6
position front Longitudinal
aspiration Natural
valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/VANOS Variable Timing
fuel feed Sequential Electronic Fuel Injection
displacement 2990 cc / 182.5 cu in
bore 86 mm / 3.39 in
stroke 85.6 mm / 3.37 in
compression 10.8:1
power 213.3 kw / 286.0 bhp @ 7000 rpm
hp per litre 95.65 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 198.61 bhp per weight
torque 319.97 nm / 236 ft lbs @ 3600 rpm
drive wheels RWD w/25% Limited-Slip Differential
body / frame Unit Steel
front brakes Inner Vented Discs w/ABS
f brake size 315 mm / 12.4 in
rear brakes Inner Vented Discs w/ABS
r brake size 312 mm / 12.3 in
front wheels F 43.2 x 19.0 cm / 17.0 x 7.5 in
rear wheels R 43.2 x 21.6 cm / 17 x 8.5 in
front tire size 235/40ZR17
rear tire size 235/40ZR17
steering M-Tuned Steerin Rack w/Variable Power Assist
f suspension MacPherson Struts wSprings, Dampers Anti-Roll Bar
r suspension Multi-Link Z-Axle wSprings, Dampers Anti-Roll Bar
weight 1440 kg / 3175 lbs
wheelbase 2700 mm / 106.3 in
front track 1422 mm / 56 in
rear track 1445 mm / 56.9 in
length 4432 mm / 174.5 in
width 1709 mm / 67.3 in
height 1336 mm / 52.6 in
transmission ZF Type C 5-Speed Manual
gear ratios 4.20:1, 2.49:1, 1.66:1, 1.24:1, 1.00:1
final drive 3.15:1
top speed 250 kph / 155.3 mph
0 - 60 mph 5.8 seconds
0 - 100 mph 13.5 seconds
production

[E30BeemerLad]

I've seen these sell on ebay for under £500 daz, but an engine that's been stood about and not knowing what the car was like where it came from is the risky end, plus any bits that are missing can be expensive to track down.

[dazleeds]

cheers for the info Blitz

keep it coming peeps

Lee

yeah ive seen em on ebay and agree i wouldnt get 1 from there without a lot of proof

but i have a contact for an engine and all relvant extras needed for a conversion and he gets them regular so sourcing is easy

but i dnt know enough about them to do it yet so its time to learn all

im betting its a massive project to do so really need all the info and help i can find before i spend a penny

hopefully this thread will enlighten me

[E30BeemerLad]

think Ian332 will be your man then

I reckon you would never see any change out of £5K even doing all the work yourself

Jap 6pot Turbo my man

[dazleeds]

can get a known good engine with loom ecu etc etc for between £1000/£1200

thats got history etc and can see and hear running before removal

so hopefully wouldnt have to go as far as 5/6k to get it all in and working

but obviously it never stops at dropping an engine in lol

[maxfield]

Go for it daz it's a cool project want a race when you done it

[dazleeds]

Go for it daz it's a cool project want a race when you done it

wont be anytime soon fella

but if i do it your on

[Jhonno]

can get a known good engine with loom ecu etc etc for between £1000/£1200

thats got history etc and can see and hear running before removal

so hopefully wouldnt have to go as far as 5/6k to get it all in and working

but obviously it never stops at dropping an engine in lol

you'll be very suprised at how the costs add up.. i added up what ive spent a while back and it was @4k or so iirc spent more since also, and got more to spend. Its by no means a cheap conversion at all even tho i supposedly got a nearly complete setup..

[dazleeds]

[/quote]

you'll be very suprised at how the costs add up.. i added up what ive spent a while back and it was @4k or so iirc spent more since also, and got more to spend. Its by no means a cheap conversion at all even tho i supposedly got a nearly complete setup..[/quote]

what else need sorting other than the engine /box/loom

and what else could be used from either an e36/e46??

brakes/suspension/diff etc

[appletree]

go for it dazz , if you wonna hand drop me a PM and al come and find ya.

that six branch gone blue since ferrybridge?

cheers, matt

[Rich_W]

http://fabdirect.com/index05.htm

Read and Digest.

[dazleeds]

http://fabdirect.com/index05.htm

Read and Digest.

cheers rich

but i think i can beat there prices easily

appletree this aint gonna be happening just yet mate

wish i could jump straight in but i need to do lots of research and saving first but i may just shout ya when the time comes mate

ps yeh 6branch is now multicoloured
not driven her much but colours def there now

[jmc330i]

I reckon you would never see any change out of £5K even doing all the work yourself

can get a known good engine with loom ecu etc etc for between £1000/£1200
so hopefully wouldnt have to go as far as 5/6k to get it all in and working

but obviously it never stops at dropping an engine in lol

That doesnt seem a bad price if you know of the engine. You could get one cheaper but with lack of history etc, it would be a bit of a gamble.

£5k would be a good budget to set if you would be doing the work yourself. Its all the little things that soon add up, plus suspension and brake upgrades etc. And like you said, it never stops at just dropping the engine in....

[dazleeds]

im thinking to go 5stud at the same time if i go for this

what set ups are people using with this engine??

could i use the front suspension off the same car as engine??

then compact rear set up??

[Jhonno]

what else need sorting other than the engine /box/loom

and what else could be used from either an e36/e46??

brakes/suspension/diff etc

well its a case of buyin new parts such as prop guibo, release bearing, and consumables, things that its an ideal time to change whilst its out the car as well as manifold and exhaust work £Â£Ã‚£

can use the e36 front suspension and brakes yeah, might be better off staying 4 stud and buyin a 4 pot setup like the zone shop is offering soon

also have the servo issues with the plenum..

and obviously suspension upgrades to cope

[bigkev]

looks like i'm going to take the same route as you dazleeds i was going to go 3,5 but then i think fuck it why not go the whole way so if you want to start sometime soon so i can avoid all the problems you encounter feel free

[dazleeds]

lol kev

im still debating whether or not to do this

also considering m5 transplant as yet again this gives even more power

whatever happens tho
i wont be starting until end of summer at the earliest
as i need to sort my sport out first and get her back on the road first

[iil325i]

so then what bits do you need to get it in and running, please cut and paste and add to my list

engine and box
engine mounts
manifold redone as it hits the subframe
new clutch as the engine is out
m3 prop
do something with the brake servo

[Jhonno]

assuming chassis has already been uprated to cope.. remember e36 m3's ran 315mm front brakes!!

engine and box
engine mounts
manifold redone as it hits the subframe and antiroll bar
new clutch as the engine is out
m3 prop
do something with the brake servo
new guibo as its all off
m3 lsd
wiring
exhaust
release bearing whilst its all off also
service (obviously)
leccy fan
airbox/filter of some description
rad/pipework
throttle cable (e36 m3 one needs shortening)
ews (if you get post 96 engine)

all i can think of atm.. it soon adds up this has cost me alot more than i thought it would and ive got more to go be a bit fun when its done tho!

[iil325i]

yer but most of them bits you would get with the engine

[Jhonno]

not necessarily, depends how you get the engine (buying a breaker is the best option for getting everything)

standard e36 pipes dont fit straight up, need some modding/e30 ones

leccy fan isnt standard

standard airbox doesnt fit

its all the little issues you come up against that start costing, bits worn here bits missing/needed there its difficult to list. I've added up what ive spent and know it isnt cheap.

Oil cooler needs some attention also.. bmw used an odd size fitting so its not bolt on. Ive bought an adapter to an10 from the states and shall be using a mocal

[iil325i]

you could get a e36 m3 thats been in a crash or something, then you would get everything and try and get some money back on whats left, could you not use a e30 m3 fan, and as for the air box could you not use a cone filter and heat sheld

[Jhonno]

yes

yes

and yes

Its all extra £Â£ tho (apart from making some back from the crashed M3 of course..)

[iil325i]

im jus trying to think how to keep the price down

iv got a 320is that im breaking so iv got the fan, diff, prop, if i got a good engine new clutch i am the best part there, what engine mounts do you use there off a bmw as well arnt they

[Jhonno]

e28 m5 with the e36 alloy sections

if you got them parts already it keeps some of the cost down yeah

[m3ben05]

There are e36 M3's on autotrader for around 4k, i would just go for one of those and sell all the bits you dont need

[ian332isport]

When you just list some parts and add up the rough cost you are still missing all the small bits you will find along the way.

Also, things like 'do something with the brake servo' & 'manifold redone as it hits the subframe and antiroll bar' sound really easy when you see them in a list. You just try getting it done for sensible money. It's things like this that will rapidly burn your original budget. I'm sure I'm getting nods of agreement from everyone who is currently working on similar conversions.

Ian.

[Jhonno]

When you just list some parts and add up the rough cost you are still missing all the small bits you will find along the way.

Also, things like 'do something with the brake servo' & 'manifold redone as it hits the subframe and antiroll bar' sound really easy when you see them in a list. You just try getting it done for sensible money. It's things like this that will rapidly burn your original budget. I'm sure I'm getting nods of agreement from everyone who is currently working on similar conversions.

Ian.

Exactly what ive been saying *nod of head*

[buster]

When you just list some parts and add up the rough cost you are still missing all the small bits you will find along the way.

Also, things like 'do something with the brake servo' & 'manifold redone as it hits the subframe and antiroll bar' sound really easy when you see them in a list. You just try getting it done for sensible money. It's things like this that will rapidly burn your original budget. I'm sure I'm getting nods of agreement from everyone who is currently working on similar conversions.

Ian.

I agree.
As i am nearing the end of my conversion (just on with exhaust) i know there are loads and loads of little problems along the way.
Its very easy to get the engine in there but getting everything else in and working is another matter.
My exhaust manifold is currently laid in about 7 pieces,with a lot of work needed.It will all be welded in stainless steel.
The inlet manifold to brake servo/master cylinder is the other really pain in the ass part of the conversion with no cheap easy fix.
Theres also loads of little parts that are needed.It seems that every little part you add needs modding to fit.Shortening,lengthening and general modding just to get it all to work.

£100 for example just to get the prop shortened and welded with the correct end.Engine mounts,fuel pump , wiring consumables,service parts,rubber hoses and pipe work that doesnt come with the engine,larger rad,electric fan,complete custom exhaust system (not cheap) ,custom brakets and gearbox mount (if using 6 speed), 5 series sump and dipstick tube and stick,upgraded brakes and suspension etc etc,
then theres all the stuff like new bolts ,and paints and crap to make it all look nice.
Lots of tools needed also,not just a halfords socket set and spanner kit.If your doing your own fab work a mig set will be needed and a tig set for modding the plenum chamber ( or pay for some one to do it).

Not that i want to put anyone off doing this,just be prepared for a lot of hard work.

[Simon13]

looks like i'm going to take the same route as you dazleeds i was going to go 3,5 but then i think fuck it why not go the whole way so if you want to start sometime soon so i can avoid all the problems you encounter feel free

tell me u are not modding that C1 with an engine change?!

bottom line lots of work and lots of dollar and not for the faint hearted it would seem.

Seems to be a hard/fairly complex conversion to do and get a good job at the end. I'd forget it if u can't or don't have the knowledge to do most of it yourself

[dazleeds]

still in the planning stages at moment

but its good to hear all the oppinions and experiences

maybe i was a little naive but im not put off yet

the fitting/piping/plumbing in isnt a problem as i can do that side of things

looks like the only dodgy part would be the fabrication
mainly finding someone who wont totaly rape me on costs

keep all suggestions coming
knowledge is power n all

cheers for all replys so far lads

Damn i crave them horses soo much
if it could be done on a cheaper conversion then i would

what other conversions could give the same sort of beast ???

[buster]

why not try a turbo conversion ?
Ant is the man to see,megasquirt and turbo,good for loads of power.

[dazleeds]

it something im not major keen on tbh

have had a few turbos allbeit small engined many years ago
and i always seem to kill them

that and turbo lag as well

is supercharging an option at all??

i may have to start a new thread and see what people think

im guessing the turbo route could be taken for a bit less cost??

[Jhonno]

turbo conversion will be cheaper and easier and give the same kinda of power output with more torque