e30 m3

[iil325i]

right whats the difference between the eary and late e30 m3's i know that the early ones have 195 bhp and the late have 215 bhp, but is there any thing else

[Matt_T]

Small technical differences here and there, nothing major tbh except for the engine head.

[billgatese30]

i think things like the colour options for the seat material changed slightly pulus one or two other things but not much, not sure about suspension differences other than some of hte very early ones didn't have eccentric control arm bushes i think but i'm not sure, enven if they do, its not hard to do and most would have been done already

other than that i think it was just the engine that differed

[Simon]

The headlamps changed when the normal E30 had it's facelift too.

[iil325i]

im on about big things, like the tec1 and tec 2 are so dif

there isnt anything that makes and older one not as good otherte than the engine is 20hp down

[Rich_W]

http://www.s14.net/specplus/comparisons.html

This might help.

[iil325i]

i was tring to get on there all morning

[Demlotcrew]

Lee 20bhp between the engines it alot!

Ive driven a 195bhp early model and it felt totaly dead! If i ever got one the first thing it would get is a Engine upgrade.

Andrew

[iil325i]

not that worryed about the engine m8,

[sac1974]

There is hardly any difference between them, they all have the same bodyshells, glass, panels etc, some really late cars have different style cloth.

EVO II and EVO Sport are much different with lightended glass and body panels.

215 cars have 48 throttle bodies were as the 200bhp car has 46mm
195bhp cars are the same as 200bhp engine.

My car is a 195 bhp cat model but remapped at bexley motorsport, i am now producing 210bhp. To get a remap costs about 350 but it transforms the car.

There will be no difference between my car and a 215bhp model and very slight difference to a EVO II or Sport EVO

Also keep in mind that a well looked after 195bhp car is much better than a battered and mis treated higher BHP car.

[Demlotcrew]

The Evo II has lighter Rear quarter windows and boot, but nothing else! Where as the SE has far more weight savings.

I can assure you that a Evo II will be alot faster than your 195 model and a SE will wipe the floor.

It would be interesting to find out how Bexleys managed to get another 15bhp from your car.

Can you post a pic of the Dyno Graph?

Andrew

[c76jon]

evo 2 also has lightened rear screen
bumpers are lighter

also evo 2 has diff flywheel,diff cams,higher compression,different diff
additional rear spoiler,alloy bottom arms
chin spoiler
etc
some of these became standard on later cars but none on earlier 195 cars

there are far more differences than at first glance

[Matt_T]

But were talking about a 215 evo, not an evoII here. The 215 had the alloy bottom arms but not the splitter or double rear spoiler.

[c76jon]

But were talking about a 215 evo, not an evoII here. The 215 had the alloy bottom arms but not the splitter or double rear spoiler.

like i said some bits were carried over to later cars

no such thing as a 215 bhp evo

john

[M5pilot]

I have to agree with Demlot here.

I have owned a D reg 190 odd BHP car and the current 215 bhp model I have now.

The is a very noticeable difference in power above 4000rpm. Ant had the chance to drive both aswell and said exactly the same thing.

[Matt_T]

no such thing as a 215 bhp evo

john

Well mine is a late spec 215, and is labelled as an evo in the log book

[c76jon]

ok

evo 1 was early car with no plaque in car.proven by markings on head when they were new
vins
Evolution I 2190005 - 2190787

evo2 had plaque 500 cars made and one special order convertible that was full evo2 spec
vins

Evolution II 2191372 - 2191376
2191409 - 2191473
2191477 - 2191479
2191481
2191483
2191485 - 2191487
2191489 - 2191491
2191493
2191500 - 2191502
2191504 - 2191506
2191510
2191511
2191513 - 2191515
2191517 - 2191518 2191520
2191524
2191526 - 2191528
2191530 - 2191534
2191536 - 2191541
2191543 - 2191546
2191548
2191550 - 2191554
2191556
2191558 - 2191560
2191562 - 2191564
2191566 - 2191567
2191569
2191571 - 2191573 2191576 - 2191592
2191595 - 2191614
2191616 - 2191805
2191807
2191809 - 2191832
2191834 - 2191839
2191841 - 2191840
2191850 - 2191852
2191854 - 2191856
2191858 - 2191911
2191913 - 2191953

evo 3 (evo sport) again plaqued car and 600 made
vins
Evolution III AC79000 - AC79599

evo1 was 200hp car built 2/87 to 5/87
evo2 was 220hp car built 3/88 to 5/88
evo 3 was 238hp car built 1/90 to 3/90

there wasnt a 215 hp evo car so iam guessing its an addition to your logbook by previous owner/importer

your car is obviously a late one

evo2 red cars were misano red
evo3 were brilliant red

hth

john

[iil325i]

as i found out last night the interior is poo on the early ones,

[Demlotcrew]

evo 2 also has lightened rear screen
bumpers are lighter

also evo 2 has diff flywheel,diff cams,higher compression,different diff
additional rear spoiler,alloy bottom arms
chin spoiler
etc
some of these became standard on later cars but none on earlier 195 cars

there are far more differences than at first glance

Forgot about the bumpers John! Looking at the ETK its only the acual carriers under the bumper are different but the actual 'trim' pannel is the same on all models except SE cars with the front lower spoiler molded into the trim.

But im sure engine wise the only differences between the EvoII and the stock 215bhp ones is;

As fitted to EvoII engines

Sprocket
Smaller Throttle bodies
High comp Pistons
Lighter Fly wheel

Both engines have the same cams just that the Evo II has a sprocket which retards the timing on the exhuast by 6deg.

Andrew

[c76jon]

evo 2 also has lightened rear screen
bumpers are lighter

also evo 2 has diff flywheel,diff cams,higher compression,different diff
additional rear spoiler,alloy bottom arms
chin spoiler
etc
some of these became standard on later cars but none on earlier 195 cars

there are far more differences than at first glance

Forgot about the bumpers John! Looking at the ETK its only the acual carriers under the bumper are different but the actual 'trim' pannel is the same on all models except SE cars with the front lower spoiler molded into the trim.

But im sure engine wise the only differences between the EvoII and the stock 215bhp ones is;

As fitted to EvoII engines

Sprocket
Smaller Throttle bodies
High comp Pistons
Lighter Fly wheel

Both engines have the same cams just that the Evo II has a sprocket which retards the timing on the exhuast by 6deg.

Andrew

yes i agree about the carriers just easier to say bumpers i guess

i stand corrected on cams
i knew sprocket was different but thort one of the cams were too

the throttle bodies have some trick mating to head dont they?

i know they are 46 but wasnt there some slight difference somewhere??

john

[Demlotcrew]

The throttle bodies are only specific to the EvoII the inlet track is 46mm but where it mates to the head the throat is borred out to 48mm. Its a very trick casting by BMW and some say were fitted to the 320is early Rally cars.

Andrew

[c76jon]

yep i knew there was some trickery going on in there

thanks mate

john