SECURITY! whats the way to go!?

[Jay07]

Hi All, just saw the post on that stolen M3 - Thats F'd up!

I need to protect my baby!!

So what is a decent security set up!!??

[ClemQjeronimo]

i unbolt the steering wheel and take it wherever i go. if im leaving the car for an extended period of time i also siphon all the petrol out and keep it with me in jerry cans so that no 1 can drive away in it. a bloodstained seat and doorhandle puts off many would be theives also.

just some suggestions. you could just get a cobra alarm if you wanted to be fancy

[TW166Y]

i unbolt the steering wheel and take it wherever i go. if im leaving the car for an extended period of time i also siphon all the petrol out and keep it with me in jerry cans so that no 1 can drive away in it. a bloodstained seat and doorhandle puts off many would be theives also.

just some suggestions. you could just get a cobra alarm if you wanted to be fancy

clifford

[mrLEE30]

leave uk and move to a country with no little chav bastrads

after i bought my cab i didn't close the roof for a few months, nor did i even take the front off the stereo

but on a serious note remove fuse 11 and replace it with a blown fuse. for added security remove the fuel pump relay which is located in the auxiliary relay panel (just next to your throttle body) no fuel pump no start!


mrlee

[Cotty]

There is a security product on the market that fits between the steering wheel and column. The steering wheel locks into it. You pull two pins that release the steering wheel and you can then take it with you.

Alternatively there is a very good steering wheel lock I think its called Stoplok that completely encloses the steering wheel that supposed to be very good.

I keep mine garaged, out of sight out of mind

[Jay07]

Hmm... and there i was trying to be all serious!!

Mrlee - i'm not quite sure if thats hard as nails or just asking for trouble!!

Clem - lol - but if it keep my ride safe a may consider!!

Cotty - Yep i know the lock - but there was something in max power that talked about how much time a lock would last and it was that impressive - something like a few seconds before it was off!!!

I guess i was thinking more along the line of a good system eg clifford and i was wondering what people experiences have been. Whats good and whats not?

[Cotty]

Cotty - Yep i know the lock - but there was something in max power that talked about how much time a lock would last and it was that impressive - something like a few seconds before it was off!!!

I heard good reports about it. In that case then use the other thing that allows you to romove the steering wheel

[Brianmoooore]

An immobilizer that diconnects the ignition (as most do) AND short circuits the feed to the fuel pump will make your car difficult to drive away.
Any half clued chav should be able to bypass the ignition bit, but as soon as he cranks the car the fuel pump fuse will blow, killing the engine after a couple of seconds.
If you want something even simpler, then a hidden switch shorting the fuel pump will be effective, but if you forget to disarm it, you will blow the fuse.
None of this stops a car being towed or trailered away of course. You need to fit a tracker for that, or it's possible to do a DIY version with a spare mobile phone.

[ad318i]

You need to fit a tracker for that, or it's possible to do a DIY version with a spare mobile phone.

How do ya do that?

[Brianmoooore]

You need to fit a tracker for that, or it's possible to do a DIY version with a spare mobile phone.

How do ya do that?

There's some website that allows you to locate mobile phones with the owners permission. Intended for keeping track of kids, IIRC.

[Jay07]

An immobilizer that diconnects the ignition (as most do) AND short circuits the feed to the fuel pump will make your car difficult to drive away.

Is there a product that you would reccomend?

[hammoj28]

Clifford seems pretty decent. My car has one with remote locking and i like it. Managed to set it off a few time thoguh! whoops.lol.

[mrLEE30]

Mrlee - i'm not quite sure if thats hard as nails or just asking for trouble!!

hard as nails mate

would deffo go with the hidden switch bit, most modern alarms are good but are still made in a factory and installed by people (even possible the people who nick cars) so while companies like Clifford spend years on R&D some little chav takes 10 mins to circumvent the security measures. A hidden switch under the dash killing the ignition or fuel pump is the best as only you know about it (and not in a stupid place like the glovebox as if the little chavs see you open and close your glovebox more than once when you park your car they will twig)
had this system on my mini, cutting out the live feed on the coil, so it would crank, fire for a second then die, the idea being they would just assume the car was knackered, if it didn't fire at all they would figure you had some kind of a switch there, hence why fuel pump method is good for E30.


And of course out of sight out of mind, so get down to Halfords and buy the cheapest face off strereo on the market, then stick that in the hole left when you remove your Alpine face, if there is nothing of great interest in there they mey walk over to the Saxo parked next to you with the Pioneer sticker in the back window

mrlee

[Jay07]

Mr Lee!!

Thank-you for that!! great reply.

Along with an alarm it sounds like a good idea to have the extra cut off switch somewhere! I'll use what you've said to find the best solution for me!! Cheers mate. All the best!

[Brianmoooore]

it sounds like a good idea to have the extra cut off switch somewhere! !

Not a cut off switch - I can defeat them in seconds!
It must be a shorting switch- preferably across the fuel pump supply.
Still defeatable by pulling up the rear seat cushion, ripping the supply wire from the plug and socket there and hot wiring it, but I'd need to sus what the problem was first, and then have a pretty good knowledge of E30 wiring.

[Bob_S]

I've got a sigma cat 1 on mine atm it's ok does the job etc. you can always just unplug the ecu though if the lower panel is off, nice and easy quick etc

[mrLEE30]

Not a cut off switch - I can defeat them in seconds!
It must be a shorting switch- preferably across the fuel pump supply.
Still defeatable by pulling up the rear seat cushion, ripping the supply wire from the plug and socket there and hot wiring it, but I'd need to sus what the problem was first, and then have a pretty good knowledge of E30 wiring.

brian, i could drop my E30 out of a 747 from 40,000 ft. into the centre of Bahgdad, painted in the USofA colours where it would almost certainly be car bombed and looted by cheering masses, then once the troops had been sent in to collect the charred remains, and had them shipped back to uk i would place money on the fact that you could get it started!

the idea is to put off your common or garden CHAV who would (unless they are reading this post) be stumped at the fact that the car turns over but does not fire. yes good idea to short rather than cut out but as you said forget it and you need a new fuse, and normally even the most hardened and knowledgable thief would quickly leave a car that does not start rather than get his multimeter out , pop open the bonnet and start checking fuses!!! Those sort of porfessionals would not be nicking E30's anyway despite how we all think they are the best thing since sliced bread!!!

now then Brian, i have this car, it fell out of a plane and now it wont start..........

mrlee

[Brianmoooore]

That's why I say you have to short the fuel pump. I carry a six foot length of wire a croc clip on each end in my car, and I would expect the thieving chav to have something similar. Clip across coil + and battery+, and the ignition immobilizer is defeated. Try to start it, and the fuel pump fuse blows.
Even if the chav is staring at the fusebox at the time and sees the flash, a new fuse will just blow again.

[Jay07]

Hey Brian!

Ok fair enough but it all honesty creating a shorting switch set-up is a little above my knowledge, i wouldn't know where to begin.

That post was a little scary - spoken like a true crim'!

[Brianmoooore]

Hey Brian!

Ok fair enough but it all honesty creating a shorting switch set-up is a little above my knowledge, i wouldn't know where to begin.

That post was a little scary - spoken like a true crim'!

I've got 13 E30s here. How do you think I got 'em?

[ian332isport]

EWSII

[William]

I've had two cliffords in my time mate. The first - an arrow 3 was comprehensive and perhaps put extensive security above ease of use for the owner. Once I worked out how to properly use it, it was fine. I've got a g5 650p at the moment and i cant fault it. They've ironed out all the user friendly issues which means a fool can operate it with the right key fobs, but without them you'd have to be seriously clever to get round the microwave total closure thing, the imobiliser, the locks, the list goes on....and its piss easy to use and never arms when you're not expecting or gives you embarrasing car park moments.

Can thoroughly recommend it, called a Clifford Concept 650p. Can even get an anti hijack module built in for another £50 which means a keypad on the dash, you have to know a code ASWELL as having the keyfob, which obviously makes hijacking a lot more difficult. If I remember correctly the engine cuts out if the door is opened for a certain period of time, or something like that. Perfect alarm without it though

[Brianmoooore]

I've had two cliffords in my time mate. The first - an arrow 3 was comprehensive and perhaps put extensive security above ease of use for the owner. Once I worked out how to properly use it, it was fine. I've got a g5 650p at the moment and i cant fault it. They've ironed out all the user friendly issues which means a fool can operate it with the right key fobs, but without them you'd have to be seriously clever to get round the microwave total closure thing, the imobiliser, the locks, the list goes on....and its piss easy to use and never arms when you're not expecting or gives you embarrasing car park moments.

Can thoroughly recommend it, called a Clifford Concept 650p. Can even get an anti hijack module built in for another £50 which means a keypad on the dash, you have to know a code ASWELL as having the keyfob, which obviously makes hijacking a lot more difficult. If I remember correctly the engine cuts out if the door is opened for a certain period of time, or something like that. Perfect alarm without it though

All these whistles and bells are all very well, but how does it actually disable the engine?

[mrLEE30]

ok then, how about a gaurd sheep, trained to spot Burberry, shiney bling from Ratners (if that place still exists) and 3/4 length shorts, no self respecting chav would cruise around with a full sized sheep on the back seat chewing on his burberry cap! plus no one cares for a car alarm, but a noisy sheep, now that would wake the neighbors!

plus on weekends when your washing your car the sheep will do the lawn

mrlee

[Morat]

ok then, how about a gaurd sheep, trained to spot Burberry, shiney bling from Ratners (if that place still exists) and 3/4 length shorts, no self respecting chav would cruise around with a full sized sheep on the back seat chewing on his burberry cap! plus no one cares for a car alarm, but a noisy sheep, now that would wake the neighbors!

plus on weekends when your washing your car the sheep will do the lawn

mrlee

hahahah nice one

[tjd200]

after my original tourer got nicked I bought myself:

1. a new one
2. a quick release momo mount
3. a steering wheel

now my steering wheel goes everywhere I do, and although you feel like a bit of an idiot, people seem to think you are cool - imagining you have a decent car (that was a joke). Also a steering wheel is an effective weapon should anyone try to mug you.

Works beautifully and is relatively cheap (about 120 quid all in for a new mount and 2nd hand wheel).

Also (as mine's an auto) made a simple immobiliser that works from the fact the car won't start in park.

p.s. other advantage is you can scare your passengers by removing the steering wheel at high speed.

[Jay07]

Thanks for all the info people!!

The alarm options seem like a great deterant, i guess i'm concerned with those who can do what brain is talking about and by pass alarms, thats why im interested in what you said about shorting the fuel pump! - How is it done? any other simple, over looked ways to disable the engine?

Brian, Tell me you didnt steal the cars? - But since you have so many, do you know anyone i can contact for a lach silver wing/boot lid?

Steering wheel option is cool but cant see myself walking around with it to be honest! - Carrying my head unit is pain enough!

Still cant stop the fu*kers lifting my car straight off the street and taking it away!

[Brianmoooore]

You need an alarm unit with a set of NO (normally open) contacts and a set of NC (normally closed) contacts. My old Scorpion BMW approved alarm had these. The NC contacts are connected to break the green looped wire in the plug above the glovebox, one of the NC contacts is connected to earth, and the other to the green/purple fuel pump wire that comes through the duct from the fusebox and then dissapears down the left hand cill.
I've just made a post in another thread on alarms that may be of interest. (Can't remember what it was called).

[Jay07]

Cheers Brain! That helps a lot. I'll take a look at the other thread as well!

ps. Do you know someone who would have a mint cond lach silver pass side wing and or a boot lid?

Until next time...