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																			 Morat
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								 Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:09 pm
			
			
			
			
			cos I'd love to see an E30 compete in 
ToTB 2006 and thats what you need to get in 
 
any of you turbo-nutters or big cube lovers?
gotta be someone...
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			Under 14 steve? I think you will be very very very lucky to get under that mate. You need 250bhp+ in an e30 i think to get under 14, probably more like 300bhp.
			
									
									
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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			what about glenns v8??
stripped out shell and Dips,s 6speed box??
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								 Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:40 pm
			
			
			
			
			no way you'll see under 14's Steve I'm afraid. May even be lucky to see it in the 14's if i'm honest.
Lads, you'll just have to wait for me to get a Supra turbo lump into an E30 and find some traction to see those times 

 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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								 Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:46 pm
			
			
			
			
			Jon_Bmw wrote:Under 14 steve? I think you will be very very very lucky to get under that mate. You need 250bhp+ in an e30 i think to get under 14, probably more like 300bhp.
I have big plans for my M50, Its not staying "Normal" for long! 

 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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								 Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:46 pm
			
			
			
			
			I think my dads would maybe just. But with 4.10 diff i think it would be under easy.
			
									
									
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
	        
			
		
		
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								 Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:04 pm
			
			
			
			
			betty did 15.9, that car allegedly put down 192bhp on the rollers too.
I reckon you will need to be into the realms of 300BHP+ to see 14's out of an E30
			
									
									
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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								 Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:28 pm
			
			
			
			
			jfyi...
mk2 golfs running tuned 1.8t's or highly tuned g60's (approx 280-300bhp) only just verge 14's, and the mk2 is a lighter car!!
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			E30BeemerLad wrote:betty did 15.9, that car allegedly put down 192bhp on the rollers too.
I reckon you will need to be into the realms of 300BHP+ to see 14's out of an E30
im thinking to put the 6branch on and stick her back on the rollers
before i take her off the road
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								 Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:56 pm
			
			
			
			
			i think with the s50/s52 conversions you can see low 13's.. they are 290+hp and rev over 7k..
standard m50 wont be any better than mid/high 14's esp in a cab
			
									
									
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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			dazleeds wrote:E30BeemerLad wrote:betty did 15.9, that car allegedly put down 192bhp on the rollers too.
I reckon you will need to be into the realms of 300BHP+ to see 14's out of an E30
im thinking to put the 6branch on and stick her back on the rollers
before i take her off the road
would be nice to see what she is capable of   

 
Do it Daz! Would love to see what it is making now, get rid of the cone filter and put the standard airbox back on as it has a K&N panel filter in there and has better bottom end pull
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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								 Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:47 pm
			
			
			
			
			Screw 14's, I'm going for 12's!!
May need some sticky rubber on the day and some nifty clutch work but if I don't break into the 12's I'm gonna cry 

 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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			never been on the 1/4 mile with mine yet,still ironing out the little problems.i know mine is technically not bmw powered but do you think it would crack the 14 second time?
			
									
									
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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			fuzzy wrote:never been on the 1/4 mile with mine yet,still ironing out the little problems.i know mine is technically not bmw powered but do you think it would crack the 14 second time?
I would think with a nice set of slicks you'd be able to crack it easy, i think you might just get into the 13's. when you are back up to 350bhp, you should be good to go.
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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								 Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:15 pm
			
			
			
			
			Cosworth or BMW... its still an E30 - no concours car is going to make much of an impact on a drag strip. As for the golfs, thats nice power - but you'll be losing quite a bit on launch to FWD. 
My other car is a Fiat Coupe, and they're taking ToTB quite seriously. They're hoping to take two 500bhp coupes this year. Apparently thats what you need for a 12s quarter on FWD - oh, and DOT approved non-street drag tyres. (Whatever the hell they are!).
I do think that a nicely tuned E30 could make an impact on the handling circuit if it was low, stiff and had good brakes and tyres - and possibly a turbo?
			
									
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								 Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:14 am
			
			
			
			
			My car ran 14 dead at the Pod.
It was a sweaty hot day, and the car was fully loaded with interior and ICE. I'm not especially light either  
 
 
I'm sure with some practice and a bit of interior/ICE removal it would drop well into the 13's.
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			Here is some times from a recent Performance BMW thrash i went to at brunters.  I have put the power outputs i know next to the cars to give you some idea what is needed for what times. 
CA AUTOMOTIVE SUPERCHARGED E46 M3  (460bhp)
0-60mph: 4.7
0-100mph: 10.8
1/4-mile: 13.2@110.6
1-mile: 33.4@143
Top Speed: 168.7
MARK RADFORD E36 328I SUPERCHARGED WITH NITROUS (350ishbhp)
0-60mph: 5.2
0-100mph: 11.7
1/4-mile: 13.7@109.7 
1-mile: 34.7@144.5
Top Speed: 153
MATT WALSH E46 M3 CABRIO
0-60mph: 5.3
0-100mph: 14.3
1/4-mile: 14.1@101.4
1-mile: 35.1 @ 147.1
Top Speed: 154
WAYNE GREATRIX E30 M3 JAGERMEISTER (421bhp 5.7 LS1 V8 and totally stripped out)
0-60mph: 5.4
0-100mph: 11.6
1/4-mile: 13.8@111
1-mile: 34.2@130.7
Top Speed: 145.7
CONRAD ALPINA B8 (330bhp)
0-60mph: 5.1
0-100mph: 12.2
1/4-mile: 13.8@104.3
1-mile: 34.5@147.9
Top Speed: 156
MARTIN BUCKLES E30 M3 TURBO (330+bhp and stripped out. Could have gone faster on v.max but new clutch was f*cked)
0-60mph: 5.1
0-100mph: 12.1
1/4-mile: 13.8@93.7
1-mile: 35.1@126
Top Speed: 154
WAYNE HOWLETT E30 320IS RACER (italian M3 2.0 S14)
0-60mph: 6.1
0-100mph: 15.4
1/4-mile: 14.5@98
1-mile: 39.1@122.4
Top Speed: 125
PIERS ROSS E36 M3 EVO (321bhp)
0-60mph: 5.1
0-100mph: 12.7
1/4-mile: 14.2@103.7
1-mile: 35@148.3
Top Speed: 151.3
			
									
									
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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			Im suprised waynes jagermeister was as slow as that. was he having trouble putting the power down or something?
			
									
									
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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			nice one
well that just shows what you need to be doing to even push low 14's / high 13's.
I swiftly concluded after running my modified 325 and being gutted with the results that some sreious amount of power would be needed, not to mention traction, in order to see decent times.
Anoys the hell out of you when you see the shit box novas with the XE lumps cruising into 13's & 14's on little over 200bhp 

 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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			maxfield wrote:Im suprised waynes jagermeister was as slow as that. was he having trouble putting the power down or something?
His suspension was set way to hard. No weight transfer = no traction.
Sounded awesome though an a nice chap. Was straight on the phone sourcing another shell when Martin rolled the M3 turbo.
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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			RowdyBurns wrote:maxfield wrote:Im suprised waynes jagermeister was as slow as that. was he having trouble putting the power down or something?
His suspension was set way to hard. No weight transfer = no traction.
Sounded awesome though an a nice chap. Was straight on the phone sourcing another shell when Martin rolled the M3 turbo.
 
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								 Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:11 pm
			
			
			
			
			[quote="fozzymonster"]Screw 14's, I'm going for 12's!!
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Mark, if you manage a 12 second 1/4  i will eat my pants.. and thats saying something cos i haven't changed em for a week 
 
  
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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								 Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:19 pm
			
			
			
			
			RowdyBurns wrote:fozzymonster wrote:Screw 14's, I'm going for 12's!!
Mark, if you manage a 12 second 1/4  i will eat my pants.. and thats saying something cos i haven't changed em for a week 
 
  
 
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								 Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:58 pm
			
			
			
			
			RowdyBurns wrote:Is that beast running yet. Last i heard you were taking it for a ticket?
Just need to fit front springs and a small patch of welding on the exhaust before it'll get a ticket. It runs, sounds healthy and has a superb sound now, the screamer pipe needs to be heard to be really appreciated 
 
 
Am picking up the extra bits for sparks soon also, then it'll be safe to run it at effecient pressure levels to get some decent numbers.
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								 Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:00 pm
			
			
			
			
			just wondering 
how many yards in a qtr mile??
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								 Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:17 pm
			
			
			
			
			not sure daz
at TOTB they run the cars over a 500m distance not the 1/4 mile, as this is the only internationally recognised distance for some reason, but it is evidently a bit longer than a 1/4 mile judging by the times of the vehicles compared to spec etc
			
									
									
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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			just trying to work out how many street lamps in the qtr   
 
 
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			I saw in Custom car or street machine, a Blue E30 stripped and competes in pro mod, and that runs 9's
Has a Big block chevy with NOS!
now thats a quick E30!!
 

 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
		
		
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			here are the details from one of my timing slips
Reaction - 1.131 - yeah ok 'nuff said, go on last orange you plank, not green!
60ft - 2.364
1/8 ET - 10.215
MPH - 68.20
1/4 ET - 15.939
1/4 MPH - 84.00
			
									
									
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	        
			
	        
			
		
		
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			e30bemer wrote:I saw in Custom car or street machine, a Blue E30 stripped and competes in pro mod, and that runs 9's
Has a Big block chevy with NOS!
now thats a quick E30!!
 

 
Yeah some swede did 9.8 sec 1/4 with an turbo m20 engine on VP fuel, no NOS, 
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