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Post Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:08 pm

Its from a saab 900 turbo just hope its gonna fit behind my rad :?
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Post Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:42 pm

should slot in Len, our mates over the pond have used the same unit with great sucess.

Core looks to be a decent size from the bricks :cool: SAAB do a similar unit with entry and exit on the same side if you can't get it to fit as you want/need
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Post Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:34 am

Should fit as my rads from a saab.
Bit of a bonus that the pipes on it are 2.5" same as my intake pipes :D
Its gonna be a bit tight as im going to have to get one pipe from the charger to the other side of the car and back again.

Ant are you running an electric fan between your intercooler and rad or is it an OE one?
Also is that your car in the back of ppc?
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Post Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:47 am

yup that's Ant's :wink:

I've got that big Volvo IC mounted quite far forward (against the back of the bumper), and a slim Spal fan between. i had only around 7cm between back of IC and front of rad.

looks like a nice IC :cool:

If it won't go in, find a Volvo 760/740 one, big, 2.5 stubs and usually cheap.
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Post Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:42 pm

:lol: never thought we'd be getting excited over Volvo parts , mine is still on the factory viscous, will add a pull through lecy jobby once I have the spare funds :D

Yes Len, shes mine, you can see Toby driving in that pic, dry wasn't it, NOT
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Post Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:50 pm

Thats cool will be an interesting read 8)

Cheers for the input guys :D
My main concern is im running a push throu fan in front of the rad. was thinking if the intercooler is the other side of that wont any hot air that gets blown back from the fan heatup the intercooler? or am i just worring about nowt?
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Post Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:42 pm

hmm not sure about that...

i have the opposite issue, which is the water rad getting fed hot air which the fan's dragged thru the IC... might have to put an oil cooler on but we'll see hot how it runs first.

i take it the saab rad is far forward in the front mask, and the IC is too wide to put in the front mask if you could move the rad backward?

if all else fails, E28 535i rad plus Volvo 760 IC dude, with the IC in front and a fan sandwiched between. it does fit!

mag's out 27th Ant :cool: current issue is in the post and a CD should follow shortly
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Post Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:50 pm

Looks good Lennie!!

Although you all have much bigger IC's than me now :cry:

Mine's too perfect a fit not too use but given the new parts I wonder if it'll be a little weak to handle the new pressure levels, will have to datalog and find out.

I'm quite lucky that my IC and rad don't overlap at all, the IC sits low and in front of the cross member, just above the oil cooler too. Still on the viscous fan which has, due to it falling off the shelf and sitting flat on the floor for a few days, seized on so I have constant cooling, which is handy :D Another oem part to buy tho :(

Get it fitted dude!!
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Post Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:17 pm

That looks good lennie. We have one of those saab 'coolers in our *cough japcrap* 200sx. They are supposed to handle about 300bhp whilst retaining the desired cooling affect. Should have some fun with that, it wasn't intercooled before was it?
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Post Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:18 pm

the heat tranfer from IC to rad on mine has never been an issue, even in the short hot summer we had last year, intake temps were well within safe limits, heat soak was not apparent

the IC will really only be working under high load/boost so I doubt there'd be issues with either pull or push IC location , not when stationary anyways...


cheers again Toby :cool: , that Angle box is the seeds M8 !
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Post Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:03 pm

This is gonna be big guys!

Have found somwhere that recons they can recoat my supercharger rotors winkeye
More boost ,intercooler ,all new charge pipes to suit :D
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Post Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:45 pm

Very unsucessfull weekend! spent all day saturday cutting and welding the front of my motor to get this bloody intercooler mounted behind the rad. only to find that i cant squeeze the rad back in after :(

theres just not enough space in front of the supercharger an pulley.

Back to the drawing board :cry:
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Post Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:04 pm

Will it not go in front of the rad inside the mask a la Me/Toby ?
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Post Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:25 pm

Top mount it!! i.e nissan GTIR stylee!!

Good excuse for a large bonnet vent for sure! :cool:
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Post Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:35 pm

Ant i did think about that but was trying to avoid all the extra plumbing it will need! but im thinking thats the only option.

Mark did hold it up there but due to the size of it would need the whole bonnet off. would be :mad: tho.

Will be stopping to see a guy about some pipes tonight see if he recons he can pipe it.
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Post Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:20 pm

BAH! You guy's intercoolers aren't anywhere near conspicuous enough!

What ya really want is a pair of cossie ones!

Joking aside though, the 2wd ones are supposedly good for 280bhp I seem to recall, and they're fairly compact.
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Post Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:35 am

Alex you up for a passenger on the Emerald visit ??

I'd be stoked to see her deliver the goods mate :cool:
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Post Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:36 am

And me :D

I'm only a few mins drive away from Dave walkers....unless it's while I'm at work :cry: ?
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Post Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:36 pm

Ant wrote:Alex you up for a passenger on the Emerald visit ??

I'd be stoked to see her deliver the goods mate :cool:
Hell yeah! Getting on for a full car now! Got my mate with the 205 coming along too :) All booked in for the 9th of May :)

Sorted out my boost gauge so that it reads from all cylinders now and doesn't shake about like mad. Thought I was getting 0.5bar of boost, turns out it's more like 0.7! Mmmmmm, 10psi and it loves it! :D

Idles a bit smoother now all the ports are linked too which is nice :)

Sorry for the thread-jack! :oops:
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Post Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:14 pm

Alex sounds :cool: hows it pull @ 10psi?
Got the intercooler in!
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I tryd fitting it in the front mask and the endcaps are too big to go between the 2 bumper mounts :-x
Now just need an early 32?i rad like this
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Anyone?
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Post Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:32 pm

After i cut too much out to mount it anyware else. made a bracket to hold the top if the intercooler
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And some for the bottom to sit on the OE ones
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Welded in a lower radiator extension
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And turned up a top one to match
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Its all in there a bit tight tho
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Now just have to plumb it in (Orange to intake Blue to supercharger)
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Post Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:36 pm

ooohhh charger pulley look close to rad,good engine mounts? 8O


nice work! :D
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Post Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:06 pm

I think the engine only twists.
I have driven it didnt seem to contact :D

There is only 8mm gap but the rad is well mounted so if the engine stays in place will all be good!
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Post Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:09 pm

Blimey, that really is massive!

Alas, I've lost all my boost as the bloody Emerald is refusing to upload PWM settings :(

It's running at 0.4bar now :(
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:48 pm

At last ive had my intercooler piped in :D
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:54 pm

Dont know if its made any change to the air temp as i had to disconect ait temp sensor! the boost has droped to about 5psi did spot a few small leaks on a few of the joints.
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:06 pm

thats the dowside of the IC, you do get a pressure drop

density will be up so overall you should be evens again 8) Tidy Len, V nice
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:27 pm

Looks really good Len!





Time to squeeze a bigger pulley in now then :twisted: :twisted:
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:29 pm

freakin' sweet!

How's it feel now with cooling? :)

Is it still pinging or has that reduced a bit?
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:17 pm

Can feel a big diferance in temps on the pipes 8)
Didnt knock at all tho :D had the charger on for ages too.

Think some boost is getting lost, first time presure test i got a few puffs of moisture from under the clamps. will have to invest in some nice stainless bandclamps to finish it off.
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:04 pm

Looking good Len :cool: , time for more boost ! :)
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Post Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:46 am

that looks really good, IC looks purpose made to fit :cool:
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