stuartforrest (Falkirk) - warning, ripoff merchant!

[dark_sounds]

damn, thats a good post!

now,, anyone know where bmw325ivirgin lives ??

[Widge]

damn, thats a good post!

now,, anyone know where bmw325ivirgin lives ??

WHY????

[m-dtech]

man you lot dissapoint me, this is one negative feedback on an ebay account nearly a year ago. transaction cost of around £15

Had this been for £100, £200, £300 or a substantial amount of money then there would be grounds for this.

as stated previously this topic is a personal attack.

seriously reading "blatantarrogance" post makes me wonder what this forum is all about, is it about E30's or is it about politics.

im surprised that mods have let this topic run as far as it has, and on more organised forums i use this would have been locked.

Even if there is a dispute on ebay, the zone should not want anything to do with it as it could affect the zones reputation.

Im astonished at the effort people have gone to attack an individual when they know only half a story.

"Rip off merchant" = wrong as he was not the merchant and £15 is hardly a major fraud, most credit card companys would write that off rather than investigating.

This is what i would call a "Merchant Dispute" if i was to investigate a credit card customers complaint.

Ebay problem, keep it on ebay.

[kidsinister]

im surprised that mods have let this topic run as far as it has, and on more organised forums i use this would have been locked.

Where's that, "NetNazis"? Who cares?

Never heard such a load of self-righteous piffle.

[tony2311]

how can ebay sort it out when ziggy said in the frist post 'He ignored all e-mails & contact from paypal,' & ' Wrote to him, etc with no reply,'

[Ziggy]

So after all that, no explanation from Stuart? That speaks volumes to me...

I can't resolve this through paypal or ebay - they ruled in his favour as I couldn't prove the spoiler had been delivered using an online method.

I can't resolve it through speaking to Stuart in other ways - he doesn't reply to e-mails, PMs or letters.

The issue for me is that I still can't use my paypal account after a year. If Stuart had replied to paypal or returned the money to me, there would be no problem. This thread was not intended as a personal attack, & if Stuart had explained himself (it's not too late), it wouldn't have degenerated into one. If this has warned anyone off, or just made him think twice about doing it again, then it's all been worthwhile as far as I'm concerned...

[ad318i]

go onto www.moneyclaim.gov.uk
itll be a court order against him and them when you get your money back take the court result to paypal to prove that you were in the right and they will have to reopen your account then

[E30Adam]

Stuart:

As the owner of this site, I do not take kindly to those who come on here to rip off other members. We do not welcome this type of person onto the site. This site is supposed to be a helpful community where likeminded E30 enthusiasts can talk and gain knowledge about their passion. This site is not here as a moneymaker for myself/the zone team or any of it's members.

I think you've had ample opportunity to clear your name and explain yourself but you refuse to. This leads me to believe that you have something to hide, like the "no comment" reply that criminals give to officers under questioning.

Ziggy happens be personal friend of mine and I will not hesitate to ban you from this site if the matter is not satisfactorilly resolved. In my opinion, you would be no loss to this site.

[316eyes]

"Rip off merchant" = wrong as he was not the merchant and £15 is hardly a major fraud, most credit card companys would write that off rather than investigating.

If someone does this 100 times = £1500. Does this qualify as major fraud? Or is it £5000, £10000...............................?


Mdtech. If £15 means little to you perhaps you will take the same attitude with your own money and send it to Ziggy to help with his recovery costs. I'm sure he will accept a cheque (as his Paypal account seems to be FROZEN over a £15 dispute).

Please Note. I am not suggesting that Stuart has done this before, just pointing out the invalidity of the above statement.

[stuartforrest]

Stuart:
This site is supposed to be a helpful community where likeminded E30 enthusiasts can talk and gain knowledge about their passion. This site is not here as a moneymaker for myself/the zone team or any of it's members.

This incident took place long before I started using the zone, therefore it was not used as a 'tool' to make money, as your are implying. The transaction was done completely outwith E30Zone.co.uk.

I think you've had ample opportunity to clear your name and explain yourself but you refuse to.

As I have said, why should I explain myself on a public forum? It has nothing to do with the zone. It was "ziggy" who posted it here not me, I didn't even have to reply to this post.

Ziggy - take it up with Paypal, just because your account is closed it doesn't mean its the end of the world, they have a complaints email address. Use it.

[Jon_Bmw]

Stuart:
This site is supposed to be a helpful community where likeminded E30 enthusiasts can talk and gain knowledge about their passion. This site is not here as a moneymaker for myself/the zone team or any of it's members.

This incident took place long before I started using the zone, therefore it was not used as a 'tool' to make money, as your are implying. The transaction was done completely outwith E30Zone.co.uk.

I think you've had ample opportunity to clear your name and explain yourself but you refuse to.

As I have said, why should I explain myself on a public forum? It has nothing to do with the zone. It was "ziggy" who posted it here not me, I didn't even have to reply to this post.

Ziggy - take it up with Paypal, just because your account is closed it doesn't mean its the end of the world, they have a complaints email address. Use it.

Turd

I think that sums it up nicely.

Why don't you gve the man his money back and let his paypal account be unfrozen and eat some humble pie whilst you are at it. I hope no one on e30zone deals with you again personally, if you won't resolve this issue.

We can all see that you have the spoiler from the photo album, so why haven't you paid ziggy? Do you not realise that in this country you pay for things you recieve.

[Patm3]

Gutless, you would rather make him go through all that headache when you could just send him the £15 and call ebay and paypal and resolve this matter, but NO, you would rather do it the hard way and make a fellow zoner suffer, great i say BAN HIM NOW!

[stuartforrest]

There are two sides to every story, surely I shouldnt be punished for not publishing my side ona a public forum. To be honest there are alot of people who have replied here that are only interested in inciting trouble or to have a dig, Which is preicisely the reason this sort of thing should not be done on a public forum.

[Patm3]

its not a personal dig, i done a post the other day where i was ripped off for £10 and treated in a way i saw a little unfair, i put my post up and after about 30 replies it was resolved and i will get my fair deal sometime in the future.

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... ic&t=31611

surely ripping someone off and they are a zoner is not right, imagine you both meet up at a meet or something, the tension would be stupid, you say there is always two sides to a story so state your side, and shut us all up, if not you just make yourself look guilty. i understand you might not like the idea of being on the trisha show, but even the guilty speak out, or say something on that crappy program, and they are live on tv in front of millions.

[m-dtech]

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[topspark]

fuck the lot of you you pompous bunch of pricks.

e30zone has fuck all do do with ebay.

to ban someone due to an ebay transaction that took place nearly a year ago is well out of order.

grow up you child , why are you sticking up for him anyway , i agree with everyone else , it is protection for other zoners.

Ziggy - take it up with Paypal, just because your account is closed it doesn't mean its the end of the world, they have a complaints email address. Use it.

Sorry Mr Forrest sounds like to me you know alot about ebay !!!

lee

[Patm3]

wow you falkirkeeeess stick together, this must be a scam you all know about, but now you have been rumbled , the fact remains stuart refused to reply to any of the emails that were sent to him, and all of a sudden he appears on here, i think anyone that was ripped off this way, and tried there best to get in contact with the crook with no reply, seeing them on here must be a godsend, as you can now get an answer, which stuart is failing to give, but why

[Widge]

As I have said, why should I explain myself on a public forum? It has nothing to do with the zone. It was "ziggy" who posted it here not me, I didn't even have to reply to this post.

Ziggy - take it up with Paypal, just because your account is closed it doesn't mean its the end of the world, they have a complaints email address. Use it.

You should explain yourself on this forum because over the course of a year you haven't replied to an email, and thid public message board is the only way Ziggy has been able to get a reply out of you.

If Ziggy takes it up with pay pal you will not reply to their emails and he will be in the same situation again in 3 months.

Your silance speaks volumes, if you had a valid reason you would have defended your actions here.

And I agree to an extent that ebay stuff should stay on ebay, but in this issue you have not responded to ebay and only this public forum has got an answer out of you so it is now a Zone issue.[/quote]

[E30Adam]

Stuart:
This site is supposed to be a helpful community where likeminded E30 enthusiasts can talk and gain knowledge about their passion. This site is not here as a moneymaker for myself/the zone team or any of it's members.

This incident took place long before I started using the zone, therefore it was not used as a 'tool' to make money, as your are implying. The transaction was done completely outwith E30Zone.co.uk.

I think you've had ample opportunity to clear your name and explain yourself but you refuse to.

As I have said, why should I explain myself on a public forum? It has nothing to do with the zone. It was "ziggy" who posted it here not me, I didn't even have to reply to this post.

Ziggy - take it up with Paypal, just because your account is closed it doesn't mean its the end of the world, they have a complaints email address. Use it.

I did not imply that you were using the zone as a tool to make money. I was simply stating what the zone is here for.

Ziggy has exhausted his options with Paypal hence his posting here. From experience, Paypal require proof of posting using an online tracking system. If ziggy didn't use one of these systems (which he doesn't appear to have done) then they will not even look at the dispute. This leaves him with no option but to expore other routes of resolution.

He cannot prove that he sent the item to you BUT, you've clearly received it because it's pictured in your other post so you can't deny you've not received it.

As I said, you will be no loss to this forum so I am giving you ONE final chance to either privately contact ziggy to sort the matter out or post back here (which you seem unwilling to do) or you will be banned for good from this website.

[Rosc0PColtrane]

man you lot dissapoint me, this is one negative feedback on an ebay account nearly a year ago. transaction cost of around £15

Had this been for £100, £200, £300 or a substantial amount of money then there would be grounds for this.

as stated previously this topic is a personal attack.

seriously reading "blatantarrogance" post makes me wonder what this forum is all about, is it about E30's or is it about politics.

im surprised that mods have let this topic run as far as it has, and on more organised forums i use this would have been locked.

Even if there is a dispute on ebay, the zone should not want anything to do with it as it could affect the zones reputation.

Im astonished at the effort people have gone to attack an individual when they know only half a story.

"Rip off merchant" = wrong as he was not the merchant and £15 is hardly a major fraud, most credit card companys would write that off rather than investigating.

This is what i would call a "Merchant Dispute" if i was to investigate a credit card customers complaint.

Ebay problem, keep it on ebay.

You have quite simply eloquated a statment I posted at the start of my original post. You haven't fully read the posts before giving your ten penneth.

As repeatedly posted on this thread, all standard communications channels have been exhausted. Now take a minute to digest that fact please.

.............

You are quite right, this incident will affect the zones reputation, but not for the reasons you think. If it wasn't raised and situations arised where people were being scammed, it would have a devestating effect. A fair few zoners on here know each other personally. This could put a strain on their relationships. I know it was great for me to meet people ot Haynes the other week.

Yes this forum is about E30's but politics are part of virtually every facet of life. The politics and policies of online services are the very reason this thread is in such heated discussion. The same politics that now must be used to ensure the reputation of the zone and the majority of it's members are not tarred with the same dirty brush as those cowardly deviants who pray on the good nature of normal people.

No individual is being attacked. Stuart has had ample opportunity to defend himself and still refuses to clear his name. Instead he sounds like a stuck record "chase ebay...etc etc"

If innocent, surely as a good natured member of the zone, not only would he want his own name cleared but would seek to improve ziggymans experience and future experiences of internet trading by making some effort to rectify things.

His reluctance to use a public forum is some what narrow minded. His reputation is being called in to question. Te only way to clear this is publicly. Clearly the medium of forum would suit this purpose.

One thing that I find somewhat disturbing is that lack of comment from Stuart. He neither confirms nor denies it. It's either arrogance or ignorance. If I was in his shoes and was genuine, I'd be delivering the £15 in person or pay it strainght into his bank account. Stuart can't deny he hasn't paid Ziggy and flaunts the spoiler for all us to see.

You are right, major creditcard companies may write off a £15 debt, mainly as they're not economical to chase, they would have thousands of these to chase. This is not a corporate issue, it's a regular Joe thing and £15 that is earned through fair trade and is due.

Even financiers now negotiate nationwide contracts with recovery agenst to get their £15's back.

You are wrong with your definition of "Rip-Off Merchant" The definition would be a person who deals in the extortion of others. A justied comment it would seem.

Your subsequent expletive rant is an example of a personal attack, I raise question to your ability to reason and your own intelligence. Your narrow minded reasoning has the stench of the uneducated.

Lets keep this thread reasonable and adult, Stuart you cannot deny there is an issue, even if you are not at fault. Resolving this issue should be taking precidence over your pathetic moral high ground about using a public forum.

Take your head out of the sand and be the man the balls between your legs are trying to convince you that you are.

[Ziggy]

The amount of money means going through the courts just isn't worth the hassle. Have to say the response on here's satisfying though!

It was my own fault for not sending it through an online trackable method - last time I try & save someone some money on postage...

Paypal, having ruled in Stuart's favour, returned all but the last £15 to him, so in order for me to be able to use my account, I'd have to send him another £15. Which really isn't going to happen! & nor is them changing their mind - believe me I've tried to convince them!

If Stuart explained himself (& it still isn't too late!), he could send me £15, I'd send it straight back & that's everything sorted. Or he could explain to paypal & they'd sort it. Stuart'll still have gained a free spoiler, & the only people who'll be out of pocket will be the post office. All it would have taken was a reply to a PM / letter / e-mail & nobody would have got p'd off or got a bad reputation. Still waiting on any kind of explanation / apology though... Privately or on here, just tell me the other side of the story & I'll change the title of this thread, post that it's all resolved & everyone's happy again.

[Rosc0PColtrane]

The amount of money means going through the courts just isn't worth the hassle. Have to say the response on here's satisfying though!

It was my own fault for not sending it through an online trackable method - last time I try & save someone some money on postage...

Paypal, having ruled in Stuart's favour, returned all but the last £15 to him, so in order for me to be able to use my account, I'd have to send him another £15. Which really isn't going to happen! & nor is them changing their mind - believe me I've tried to convince them!

If Stuart explained himself (& it still isn't too late!), he could send me £15, I'd send it straight back & that's everything sorted. Or he could explain to paypal & they'd sort it. Stuart'll still have gained a free spoiler, & the only people who'll be out of pocket will be the post office. All it would have taken was a reply to a PM / letter / e-mail & nobody would have got p'd off or got a bad reputation. Still waiting on any kind of explanation / apology though... Privately or on here, just tell me the other side of the story & I'll change the title of this thread, post that it's all resolved & everyone's happy again.

Ziggy, I admire you patience and your attitude, a true gentleman and a saint to boot. Karma will see that you'll be looked after. Earl is right about that one!! Ir will resolve one way or another. It always does.

[EThreezero]

wow you falkirkeeeess stick together, this must be a scam you all know about

I was waiting on this. Guess where im from??? yup. It does'nt have to be a Falkirk thing or indeed a Scottish thing, which is really what i was waiting for, why cant it just be a geezer to geezer thing. Im taking no sides in the matter due to the fact its fcuk all to do with me, I dont know the guys from Falkirk and i dont know the rest of your good selves i was just following the post to see how it panned out and when i read this post i had to spit my toast out and get my neb in . Anyroadup not everyone from Falkirk is involved in a "great spoiler robbery" or if they are they told me fcuk all about it.

[m-dtech]

whats your email address Ziggy and ill send i the fucking £15 via paypal.

[Jon_Bmw]

whats your email address Ziggy and ill send i the fucking £15 via paypal.

I'm sure ziggy would love this....if only his paypal account wasn't locked because of your good friend!

[m-dtech]

its easy to unlock a paypal account you just add the funds from your bank account.

[Taz]

i was wondering how well do you know each other?

stuartforrest and m-dtech?.......mayb u is the same guy using 2 usernames?

or u r lovers? cause u seem to offer to pay each others debts/bills

[less2303]

its easy to unlock a paypal account you just add the funds from your bank account.

If your Paypal Account is locked, you cant `Just add funds`. You have to send either a cheque or Postal Order.

And oh yes, in true Paypal style, it takes up to four weeks for it to then be actioned and cleared!

I had a similar experience, where Paypal found in the buyers favour, refunded him, and gave my account a negative balance. I am still waiting for my account to be unlocked, so it is not quite that simple.

[Cotty]

There are two sides to every story, surely I shouldnt be punished for not publishing my side ona a public forum.

Your inability / refusal to put your side across puts a question mark over any future transactions you may wish to make with other Zoners. I and perhaps many people reading this thread will come to the same conclusion and not deal with you, just in case.

[Patm3]

the falkirkeeee thing is a joke, i know everyone is not the same, i am just trying to put some humour in my post, but it has gone pass the joke stage now, i was on the zone from around 1030 this morning and on my return this evening i still can not believe that stuart has not replied, but m-dtech seems to be taking everything so personal and replying with foul language that there is no need for if we are all winding you up by being honest it is not our intention we just want a zoner to be given back what he is owed, its either you are the same person or maybe there is a bigger story only kidding, get this sorted, or i say ban them both,

[M155-E30]

out of interest, as i use ebay alot, does anybody know stuart or m-dtechs ebay name as from reading this i'd definitely like to stay out of their way.

i know its been said before but i've been dumb struck reading stuarts child like ways, its insanity that it took a year of chasing and hassle for ziggy to do the right thing and make us aware of risks that maybe involded when dealing with this guy and the best he can come back with is deal with paypal or his scaringly close sidekick m-dtech offers to pay 'the f'ing money himself'

i worry these guys (stuart & chum) may have problems with reading as if they could then they would see ziggy is not worried over the cash nor the spoiler anymore but to simply have an explanation as to why, when stuart received the spoiler did he not respond/just forward the money, or if that carried to much human respect, do a very simple thing now and contact paypal to have the dispute ended and hopefully give ziggy paypal freedom back.

for the short retarded sentences stuart has come back with he could of ignored all the comments, pm'd ziggy to apologise and emailed paypal to resolve.

stuart you have the cash back, you have the spoiler, you have even gained an extremely clingy almost lovestruck friend in this but you have the mentality of packet smash and you definitely don't deserve to be a member of this site nor worthy enough to drive an e30

'nuff said from me

[m-dtech]

your all welcome to come to the falkirk meet 1st thursday of the month.

come say hello.

[Widge]

Wot is with you guys??? This gets wierder and wierder, it's like you lot are reading a different thread!

[Ant]

I've had enough now....