Minty E30 M3 Evo

[gazm3]

http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/1332 ... estock.htm

Can anyone justify that price tag?.

A mint car, a bit overpriced?. Discuss.

[Demlotcrew]

Its just like you said mint car.

the low mileage + the rarity will commend this price.

One of the guys on this forum (JonC76) has a Evo II which is again a mint car and is insured not far from the asking price of this car.

Andrew

[superted]

man and i taught this was dear at 20,000 euro


http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cf ... rID=284246


and thats with the vht paid

[gazm3]

Andrew,

I would love one of these cars,

Jon's 'Macau Masterclass' is my fav E30.

Im interested to know what Jon and Simon think (Our M3 experts).

Cheers Gareth.

[c76jon]

well heres my twopenneth worth

its worth that all day long............without question
i know certain people will disagree but believe me it is

i have looked at several sport evos some for sale,some not

i can honestly say there was one i would have owned.and it was a 60,000 mile car that was not totally original nad had new wings.it was 20k but it was a very very very clean car fastidiously looked after

all the others were either average cars or total dogs

ive seen it all.chrome gear knobs,sealt belt pads,max power gear gaitors

one had been serviced at halfords but i was told not to worry as it had the halfords stasmp in the book to prove it!!!

that car was 17.5k

yes there is a certain kudos factor with sport evos and that infates prices,i accept that but when ropey cars still fetch mega money then imho a proper mint car with very low mileage comes along then surely that car not only stands out in itself but the price has to reflect it

sure there are people who have bought sport evos for cheap money but this was when they had reached their low and we are tallking today when e30 m3 prices are climbing without a doubt

another thing to consider is the fact that buying an e30 m3 that needs stuff doing and lets face it 95% of them do,and then getting it all sorted(brakes,suspension,bushes,rusty scuttles,rusty inner wings,arches,rear panels,gearbox,reupholstered trim,dizzy caps,leads,rotor arms,electric fans,cracked subframes etc etc) add that cost to what you paid makes for a very expensive e30m3
ok its now sorted but buy a sportevo for 17k and do a lot of the jobs above plus some more and you wont be a million miles away and your car still wont be a 34k original car.

i understand that not everyone would have the money to buy the mint car
but speak to most people who bought a money pit and ask them what they would do if they had a second chance and the money to do it and most would say they would buy the absolute best car they could stretch to.

if that car is what it says it is and i have no reason to doubt it then iam sure it will sell.maybe not today but it will sell.there are a lot of people out there that want a mint e30 m3.
if that is a proper non abused car that has no stories horrible hidden secrets then it is one of the very very few cars that still exist like it and compared to the majority of e30 m3s out there a rare beast let alone the fact its the last of the evolutions

yes kudos plays a part for sure but thats not just a bmw thing
these cars came from an era of touring car that will never be repeated and that is also why an rs500 will always fetch more money than a standard 3 door cozzy

they were very rare special cars 16 plus years ago

they are just as special now and a lot rarer especially in that condition.

just my thoughts

and yes gareth you have first refusal!!!

john

[gazm3]

Thanks Jon,

Im going to have a look at this car, as its 30 miles from me.

It's the wrong colour though

Cheers Gareth.

[ShepsEvo3]

If I had the space, and dare I say it, the money, That car would be sat in my garage right now, and I would have paid every penny which is being asked for it too. Someone is going to buy a very, very unique Sport Evo.

I always wanted a red Sport Evo with A/C and leather with low miles. I didn't want a black one as I used to think the red bumper inserts looked tacky, but I have one and am pleased with it being black.

When the 3dr cossie came out, I said I would only want a black one, certainly not a moonstone. Well I ended up with a moonstone one (long gone but loads of fond memories) and now have a white one in my garage too.

If I was to have an RS500, that would have to be Black, and very low mileage, and yes I would pay a premium for that too

[Slarty_Bartfast]

If someone were to buy this car, what would be the consequences of using the car regularly and say putting on 8k mile s per year??

Or would it have to be locked away and only come out on high days and holidays??

Slarty

[Simon]

I would pay that money too, no quibbles, there can't be many left in that sort of condition.

There's been a couple of threads about this car recently, no doubt Andrew Everett will be along pretty soon, and tell us how silly we are...

[M5pilot]

If I had the money I would buy it. To be able to own a car of that spec, that mileage and its one of only 600 in the world - thats special!

[c76jon]

If I had the money I would buy it. To be able to own a car of that spec, that mileage and its one of only 600 in the world - thats special!

600 back in the day.
its a lot rarer now!!!

[ShepsEvo3]

John,

I would think the Evo2 would be alot rarer than the Sport Evo!

Paul.

[c76jon]

John,

I would think the Evo2 would be alot rarer than the Sport Evo!

Paul.

i totally agree
99 less made and i cant believe the amount i keep seeing broke for spares or smashed up

yes the evo2 is a rarer car without doubt.tho the kudos wrongly or rightly always will surround the evo sport.

john

[Rich_W]

If someone were to buy this car, what would be the consequences of using the car regularly and say putting on 8k mile s per year??

Or would it have to be locked away and only come out on high days and holidays??

Slarty

Very good point. And as I've said before, Im from the use it and not polish it school of thinking. So the next owner will be wasting a vey good car. Having said that. Whilst its rare and all, I wouldn't buy it, even If Id won that Ԛ£120M Lottery the other month. M3's are good cars, make no mistake. But theres better stuff out there, that would get my Ԛ£25K first.

[herman]

Totally agree with Jon get the best for your money.

Bought my e type Ԛ£6500 spent 25,000 over 2 years on it still not a minter.

Could have got a good car for that and drive it from day 1

[Simon13]

driving that many miles 8k per year, would harm it's value though

It would have to be used as a weekend toy and no more imo

[pacerpete]

The sport evo is the daddy ,end of !. The fact that it isn't a whole lot faster in the real world is irrelevant, it is the ultimate E30 and is an icon.
As time marches on and takes its toll and more cars suffer at the hands of 'Sparco cocks' the number of nice cars is diminishing rapidly, the price of proper cars will continue to rise.
I have had 5 sport evos and if i wanted an M3 to keep and cherish it is the only one i would consider.
Standard M3s are great cars , Sport evos aren't overpriced ,ordinary M3s are too cheap !. As C76JON rightly said M3 prices are on the up, the market is recognising what a milestone car they are and how criminally undervalued GOOD M3s are.
I will have a very nice fully fettled red '90 215 car available shortly !......

[c76jon]

The sport evo is the daddy ,end of !. The fact that it isn't a whole lot faster in the real world is irrelevant, it is the ultimate E30 and is an icon.
As time marches on and takes its toll and more cars suffer at the hands of 'Sparco cocks' the number of nice cars is diminishing rapidly, the price of proper cars will continue to rise.
I have had 5 sport evos and if i wanted an M3 to keep and cherish it is the only one i would consider.
Standard M3s are great cars , Sport evos aren't overpriced ,ordinary M3s are too cheap !. As C76JON rightly said M3 prices are on the up, the market is recognising what a milestone car they are and how criminally undervalued GOOD M3s are.
I will have a very nice fully fettled red '90 215 car available shortly !......

pete what do you have to do to make your cock a "sparco" one???

[Simon13]

put a chrome bar through your bell end maybe?

[pacerpete]

Jon you executive, go to any BMW car club track day and the 'members' in question can be seen out in force fully 'sparco'd up'in all the sparco clobber polishing their helmets !


P.S Jon , ive just discovered some interesting teen 'creampie' sites i think i'll be spending less time on the zone !

[Chris-W]

There's not much you can buy new for Ԛ£25 that'd be as much fun.

Sod buying it and storing it, tickling the odd mile onto it on a Sunday. Buy it and use it. Keep it for twenty years and it probably won't have hit 200k.

[Rich_W]

Jon you executive, go to any BMW car club track day and the 'members' in question can be seen out in force fully 'sparco'd up'in all the sparco clobber polishing their helmets !


P.S Jon , ive just discovered some interesting teen 'creampie' sites i think i'll be spending less time on the zone !

So in your opinion, somebody using an M3 as a track car (the very purpose it was designed for) is doing something immoral?

Sounds like keeping cars locked in storage and never using them apart from on Sunny days is immoral to me.

EDIT

Chris, Ԛ£25K will get you quite a nice Exige. Thats a similar concept of car, but with the added benefit of a decade of suspension knowledge.

[Chris-W]

I just said there's not much, not nothing. In any case, you can't get a pram in the boot of an Exige

[Slarty_Bartfast]

Here here, Cars need to be driven no matter what they are, not to say they have to go to your local supermarket to get trolley scrapes down the side but drive them you should.

I want an M3, but I donÔš't think I could justify spending 25k on one. But whatever I end up with it will go on track just a little bitԚ….

Slarty

So in your opinion, somebody using an M3 as a track car (the very purpose it was designed for) is doing something immoral?

Sounds like keeping cars locked in storage and never using them apart from on Sunny days is immoral to me.

[c76jon]

Jon you executive, go to any BMW car club track day and the 'members' in question can be seen out in force fully 'sparco'd up'in all the sparco clobber polishing their helmets !


P.S Jon , ive just discovered some interesting teen 'creampie' sites i think i'll be spending less time on the zone !

creampie is allgood..................

tho the stumpaphilia sites you sent me caused me problems when i put the hard drive in for repair at pc world !!!!

[c76jon]

Jon you executive, go to any BMW car club track day and the 'members' in question can be seen out in force fully 'sparco'd up'in all the sparco clobber polishing their helmets !


P.S Jon , ive just discovered some interesting teen 'creampie' sites i think i'll be spending less time on the zone !

So in your opinion, somebody using an M3 as a track car (the very purpose it was designed for) is doing something immoral?

Sounds like keeping cars locked in storage and never using them apart from on Sunny days is immoral to me.

i dont think pete is saying that at all
theres a difference between using your car on the track and then turning up in your race gloves,boots ,back support etc etc and giving it the "sparco" biggun all round the place

there is plenty of scope and space for allsorts
my car only comes out when the weather is good and i have the time
iam in a position that means i have 4 vehicles and i dont have to use the m3 when i dont want to
yes some may say a waste others will harp on about well if it was mine id use it all the time

but all those people never get the 15-20k out and buy one and do it
but everyone who buys one wants a minter.a proper chariot that is as close to new as possible
very few want to actually pay for it
they slag high mileage,they slag rust,they slag all they can about the cars advertised until they buy one
then mileage doesnt matter oh and the"they all make that gear box noise" and they all rust there etc etc

no they dont.its just that the cars are nearing 20 years old,havent been maintained correctly and are now suffering from it.
the cars that are proper and fetch proper money are the cars that are and have been looked after fastidiously
and i for one am glad the previous owner of mine looked after it how he did and did so little mileage in it
because if he hadnt then i would never have had the chance to own one of these cars so close to new condition
and if people choose to continue to use them in that way at least it allows future owners the chance of owning one that hasnt been used as a"track car"(which they are not)

so the point is really.pay your 25k.do with it as you please .makes no odds.but its a lot different talking about it than actually doingit when suddenly the massive depreciation that would occur if that car wasnt used as a fair weather weekend car kicks in and its you that looses the 10k plus and at the same time just makes all the other proper cars go up in value

john



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Chris, Ԛ£25K will get you quite a nice Exige. Thats a similar concept of car, but with the added benefit of a decade of suspension knowledge.[/quote]

[ShepsEvo3]

Here we go........E30 M3's are good for the track for a few years, hard suspension and excessive track use driven to how BMW intended for racing without roll cages, strut braces and strategic body seam welding will only end up with a bodyshell full of stress cracks and blamonge handling eventually. Followed by loads of welding and dare I say it, accident repairs, etc.

Why not keep a few away from the track, spick and span with occassional use on Sundays and shows There really is no harm in that, and in 20 years time maybe you would appreciate someone doing just that. Your hard used track M3 would have been scrapped long before then I suspect?

No disrespect intended, honestly! I got a nice Sport Evo which has only been on the road twice this year , and my Evo2 which is pobably rarer than the Sport Evo too, but is not mint, is used every day , rain or shine, salt or dry

[pacerpete]

Lets clear up a much perpetuated myth, the E30 M3 was NOT designed as a track car , it is a road car that aquits itself well on a track, there is a difference.
I have no problem with people molesting (I.E cages,coil overs big brakes etc) 'D'reg diamond black Ԛ£3000 turds its either that or scrap them so no harm done.
What i do have a problem with is fools doing the same to a sport evo. We all know point to point a sport evo is hardly any faster than a standard 215 car and in 2006 E30 M3s aren't a fast car any more (except Waynes !) so why destroy an irreplaceable car ?.
E36 3.0 M3s are so cheap (and fast) surely they should be the sparco cock chariot of choice ?, no one will cry (except the driver!) when it all goes pear shaped.

[Rich_W]

Here we go........E30 M3's are good for the track for a few years, hard suspension and excessive track use driven to how BMW intended for racing without roll cages, strut braces and strategic body seam welding will only end up with a bodyshell full of stress cracks and blamonge handling eventually. Followed by loads of welding and dare I say it, accident repairs, etc.

Why not keep a few away from the track, spick and span with occassional use on Sundays and shows There really is no harm in that, and in 20 years time maybe you would appreciate someone doing just that. Your hard used track M3 would have been scrapped long before then I suspect?

Absolutely. I always think of cars as a Tool I enjoy operating. If I slung it into a tree tomorrow, as long as I wasn't injured I wouldnt cry over it. Irritated certainly, but I wouldnt feel that I d let the future M Power owners down in any way. I beleive in using as much of the car as much as possible. On an emotional level its the same as a set of Sockets and Ratchet.

Also, I cannot see the need to buy cars like ours which were made in there thousands (18 IIRC) to speculate that the value will be more in X years time. Im not keeping the car for the next owner, I bought it for me And if you have bought for the sunny days, how can you possibly derive the excitement from pushing the car to your limits if all the time you're thinking about the financial repurcussions. Would you not kick a foorball in case it wore out?

BMW no doubt have a few that are brand new. And that's great for their museum and Heritage. But IMHO cars dont achieve their full potential sitting still. You need to see them moving. They aren't Picasso's

I'd also like to point out that its not a case that I am filthy rich and as a result the Ԛ£10K I have put into buying and maintaing the car is meaningless. Its not, its a huge chunk of money compared to my annual. But IMO if you are worreid about depreciation and suchlike, maybe you should of bought that Picasso painting. Or Ԛ£15K worth of Gold bullion.

[MaaasterBates]

So in your opinion, somebody using an M3 as a track car (the very purpose it was designed for) is doing something immoral?

Yes, but as someone who once owned one of the top five M3 Sport Evos in the country (bought from Pacer pete) I feel in a better position to comment. You clearly don't know much about this so I'll educate you.

Firstly, the M3 was NOT designed as a track car. In 1986 track days did not exist. The M3 was in fact a road car which like many others of its ilk (Lotus Cortina, Cooper S, Escort RS1600, Integrale) was a mile and a half away from what was actually used in competition. Would you take a standard Integrale and do the 1000 Lakes rally or the Monte Carlo in it? Exactly how long do you think a standard Escort Cosworth would last over a special stage?
A proper track car needs a seam welded shell and a proper tied in roll cage to absorb the immense stresses of suspension loadings. That's why so many shagged out old M3's used on track days have cracked and buckled inner wings as well as cracks in the B pillars. Proper track day cars also have proper brakes.

Sheps M3 mentions in his posting about a Sport Evo shell project. That car was, until 3-4 years ago a really lovely car. Then someone with too much money bought it, bolted in a rear cage (without welding in stiffening plates!) and did all kinds of other horrors before thrashing the tits off it. The car was then sold to someone else who smashed it badly at another track day. That mint Sport Evo is now officially dead. It will never, ever be a nice car again. It was broken up, it's bits scattered to the four winds and the shell sold to Shep.

When I had my Sport Evo, there was absolutely no way I would go near a track with it - it's too rare and BMW will not be making any more. Let some other cretin smash theirs up if they want. I personally choose either a raggedy old D reg 2.3 M3 shitter or even better a Ԛ£500 325i and a pair of old trainers to drive in to get my kicks and I'll have as much fun if not more. Nobody is going to thank you for destroying a Sport Evo, but a 325i? Who cares?!

[Rich_W]

The M3 wasnt designed as Track Car?

t was an Homologation car designed for Motorsport. Which in my experience tends to take place on Track.

It was evolved from a Standard E30 shell into the car we see today. So at what point were BMW not thinking about track work

Honestly, some of the crap I read on this site at times.....

[MaaasterBates]

Absolutely. I always think of cars as a Tool I enjoy operating. If I slung it into a tree tomorrow, as long as I wasn't injured I wouldnt cry over it. Irritated certainly, but I wouldnt feel that I d let the future M Power owners down in any way. On an emotional level its the same as a set of Sockets and Ratchet.

Also, I cannot see the need to buy cars like ours which were made in there thousands (18 IIRC) to speculate that the value will be more in X years time. Im not keeping the car for the next owner, I bought it for me And if you have bought for the sunny days, how can you possibly derive the excitement from pushing the car to your limits if all the time you're thinking about the financial repurcussions. Would you not kick a foorball in case it wore out?

BMW no doubt have a few that are brand new. And that's great for their museum and Heritage. But IMHO cars dont achieve their full potential sitting still. You need to see them moving. They aren't Picasso's

I'd also like to point out that its not a case that I am filthy rich and as a result the Ԛ£10K I have put into buying and maintaing the car is meaningless. Its not, its a huge chunk of money compared to my annual. But IMO if you are worreid about depreciation and suchlike, maybe you should of bought that Picasso painting. Or Ԛ£15K worth of Gold bullion.

Oh dear. You really just don't get it do you? Next time you can be bothered, check out the price of a nice Mark 1 Lotus Cortina. That'll be twenty grand to you Sir. That's because there are very few left, because guys like you thought it would be fun and inconsequential to smash one into a tree, because hey, it didn't matter. There's always another one to destroy. No doubt guys like you painted them black and added Wolfrace wheels in the seventies and thought they were being really clever - history says the exact opposite. Anyone who modifies a Sport Evo and gives it death on a track day is equally stupid.
The subsequent rarity pushed prices up to the level that they are now, and they'll never be cheaper, only more expensive. Like that Lotus Cortina, nobody is going to chide you for taking a Sport Evo out one Sunday morning and going for a good charge with it - why not? THAT is what the car was meant for.

As for you comment "but I wouldnt feel that I'd let the future M Power owners down in any way"..........well that just says everything I need to know about you.

[c76jon]

Here we go........E30 M3's are good for the track for a few years, hard suspension and excessive track use driven to how BMW intended for racing without roll cages, strut braces and strategic body seam welding will only end up with a bodyshell full of stress cracks and blamonge handling eventually. Followed by loads of welding and dare I say it, accident repairs, etc.

Why not keep a few away from the track, spick and span with occassional use on Sundays and shows There really is no harm in that, and in 20 years time maybe you would appreciate someone doing just that. Your hard used track M3 would have been scrapped long before then I suspect?

Absolutely. I always think of cars as a Tool I enjoy operating. If I slung it into a tree tomorrow, as long as I wasn't injured I wouldnt cry over it. Irritated certainly, but I wouldnt feel that I d let the future M Power owners down in any way. I beleive in using as much of the car as much as possible. On an emotional level its the same as a set of Sockets and Ratchet.

Also, I cannot see the need to buy cars like ours which were made in there thousands (18 IIRC) to speculate that the value will be more in X years time. Im not keeping the car for the next owner, I bought it for me And if you have bought for the sunny days, how can you possibly derive the excitement from pushing the car to your limits if all the time you're thinking about the financial repurcussions. Would you not kick a foorball in case it wore out?

BMW no doubt have a few that are brand new. And that's great for their museum and Heritage. But IMHO cars dont achieve their full potential sitting still. You need to see them moving. They aren't Picasso's

I'd also like to point out that its not a case that I am filthy rich and as a result the Ԛ£10K I have put into buying and maintaing the car is meaningless. Its not, its a huge chunk of money compared to my annual. But IMO if you are worreid about depreciation and suchlike, maybe you should of bought that Picasso painting. Or Ԛ£15K worth of Gold bullion.

you cannot make the comparison of a football worth a tenner to a 25k car
my point was and still is
that its easy to say oh id drive it id drive it to its full potential(brave man that says he could do this imho!!)
but until you have spunked the 25k up and bought the car and then thrashed it to within an inch of its life and lost the 10k then i dont see how you can comment
saying and doing are two different things
just because a car is driven once a month or 25 times a day doesnt mean its not driven hard or as it should be......does it??

depreciation has a little to do with it
i aint into throwing 10k away i can assure you
if i wanted to destroy one i would have bout the 3k "d" plate
ive owned 5 of them now and have used them as daily drivers over thousands of miles so iam not someone that just went out and bought a weekend car.i wanted a proper car.for me.had i wanted to track one and help it disintergrate then i wouldnt have bought this one

buying a proper car and then using it how you describe doesnt make you a hero in my eyes
my money is too hard earnt to just throw it away i can assure you hence the decision i made......just common sense


john

[MaaasterBates]

The M3 wasnt designed as Track Car?

t was an Homologation car designed for Motorsport. Which in my experience tends to take place on Track.

It was evolved from a Standard E30 shell into the car we see today. So at what point were BMW not thinking about track work

Honestly, some of the crap I read on this site at times.....

Jesus, it really is 'spot the brain cell' today isn't it!

Let me know when youy buy a Sport Evo Sonny! Will it be anytime soon??

[Cava]

In the process of avoiding the cross fire ........

I think you are both right - I have owned (and still do currently) a stack of racing homologation motorbikes which the experts would say are best left in a display case for future generations (!) - and cost as much as an M3) but as long as you are careful, a few track days should'nt kill them. I would be pretty dissapointed if any of them fell to bits after a few laps, but I am also intelligent enough to know that the racing teams take my so called high quality, expensive machine and spend another Ԛ£100,000 getting up to racing spec so that it can take serious abuse for week after week.