effect of wieght in the boot..

[Moofles]

yeah ive not investigated but i would've thought the jbl's would take more than their 600wrms factory figure, cos their peak is 3000w. even though that's not really a good way to reason, there is some logic there, because the point is it just can't sustain 3000w. 600w seems low for a sustainable figure compared to that peak of 3000w...?

[dark_sounds]

i would say taking a rough guess, easily 1200 watts all day long every day,,, its more to do with the amps signal!!!

[Geeman]

I had 4 wheels and tyres in the back of my E28 525e last night (2 in boot, 2 on rear seat) on the way back from Mansfield... The extra weight made the slightly greasy roundabouts more than a little interesting! With no effort (or cause) the back end was out all over the place!

I'd hate to think what would happen with ALL the weight concentrated in the boot area...

[toby]

mr dark sound, sir
I love the fact that you're basing your next car choice (after the sad demise of the last one) on how much stereo you can fit in there. (I'm sure that's what's really going on here.) Good for you.

That's what I love about my touring - the sound travels through nice and easily from the sub box in the back. I carry some other stuff around in the boot too and I think the extra weight helps stop the back going light and stepping out. Its obviously a question of degree though. Since there is extra weight, there is extra momentum. So if it does step out it may do so with more force. Too much weight would become more of a hinderance. The weight in my boot doesn't reach 100kg.

Anyway back to car choice - drive a 320i and see what you think. If you do mainly town driving so perhaps 318is is more fun round town as it is quite light. 320i can feel a bit underpowered compared to a 325i for sure but since the insurance is a bit steep for you it's a bit of a toss up init?

You could always let fate help you decide - see which model you find first. Ideally you want a black one you said. Finding a nice 318is in black may be harder than a 320i in black - there just seem to be more 320is.

Perhaps a 320i would be better as it has more low down torque (I think) than a 318is. The weight at the back would balance the extra weight at the front. The extra weight will only make a difference to fuel consumtion if you mainly drive round town because of the extra inertia to get moivng. Motorway driving is all about air resistance not so much to do with weight.

Keep us posted eh..

[dark_sounds]

hmm interesting, cheers toby,

i love the looks of the saloon, if i do go for a touring then its a 320i for sure,, however. however msot of my driving is about the town driving, on go on motorways for meets etc.

the problem is i want everything,,, with sacrifice of nothing. lol and tbh at the mo i believe fate is dictating me to go towards the 318is route... theres a few worthy of a looksy

will keep an update when things are more certain.

toby.. what u running btw?
geeman,,, did you notice any difference in fuel consumption??

[toby]

I'm running a 1988 325i touring in green (as stated below dude). It's totally standard and too long in the tooth to muck around with although it looks good as it has freshish paint (after I smashed it up). It's done nearly
182 000 miles now. No photos I'm afraid but it's just like the Andy335Touring version - only it isn't lowered. I have put some very expensive Michelin Pilot Exalto tyres on it and that has made such a difference to the crappy Falkens that were on it before. This has helped grip beyond my expectations and the directionaly tread gives lots of feedback through the steering wheel. Top tyres are the way forward mate. There is no excuse for not buying the best that you can reasonably afford. I bought mine on a special offer so it was worth doing all four.


I had a 1984 320i E30 saloon before that - lowered on apex springs that I bought from C3 in Anerly. It handled well but it was too uncomfortable. I like the sound of these H&R cup suspension conversions. I want to buy another 325i saloon in black and convert it piece by piece but I haven't found a nice one yet. Also I have more important (?) things to do first.

A 528i E28 before that - too complicated - too many bits - comfy though.
A 316 E30 before that - simple fun and hard as nails - had it from new.

(And a couple of astras one 3sped auto - quick round town - loved it - below 50mph above that it was nonsense although I used to cane it up to Scotland at 100mph) (Oh and a y reg fiesta with lots of dents and a webber carb which was almost as fast as a 16v version 10 or more years younger - that surprised a few ladettes!)

[dark_sounds]

lol nice given me an idea,,, all this risk of extra wieght in the boot,,, slap on some ultra high quality tryes at the back,, should help a fair bit eh?

what u running in terms of sound systems? u say u got a sub box in the back? whats that like?

[toby]

what's my sound system? big and loud and shiny

[Moofles]

what's my sound system? big and loud and shiny

trombone?

[dark_sounds]

what's my sound system? big and loud and shiny

trombone?

what kinda output is it doing?

[toby]

what's my sound system? big and loud and shiny

trombone?

what kinda output is it doing?

trombone - excellent

i dunno 600watts i think - two 10" chrome (shiny at least) plated subs in a ported box

couldn't live without it but i'm sure it's not good for the heart and body etc - i've even had a doctor say to me "Er do you listen to loud music?" when I had my ears checked. And I said "Wot?"

[toby]

dark sounds you have pm

[jonbuoy]

This is all a great chat about audio but i'll get back to the question.....

The 320i Touring might be a six pot but it has'nt got any power, it's as fast as a 318i. The 318is has more bhp and will probably be able to pull you along faster but you won't get the sound from the sub's through the fire wall seperating the boot from the back seat's.

The sound of the audio will be better in the Touring but no go.
The sound of the audio will not be so great in the 318is but you will have more go.

[toby]

as mr jonbuoy say - back to the question...
dark sounds was asking about torque and the 318is has more torque but needs more revs to achieve it - if my little brain understands it correctly

it is hard to compare the 318is with the 320i though as they are such different beasts. it's a while since i've driven either but the 318is seems to need lots more revs to get going but lightness for town driving (which it is required for) may be more suitable

[dark_sounds]

hmm interesting,, yeah ive noticed the revy thing,, the power kicks in afer 3500 before that its just like most other cars....

as for the wall... im thinking if i do go along this route i might take off that panal and drill loads of holes though it,,, so it can allow more sound through,,, though i understand with high pressure, this may have the tendency to resonate like fook, so might have to sound deaden, and drilling through sound deaden i can imagine to be a mission....

[toby]

best to raise the audio issue in the audio section
there are many ways to do this - buying a car with a centre armrest in the back and cutting out the metal behind - there is provision to do this as it was conceived as a design idea to accomodate skis

anyway keep your eyes peeled for another 318is going cheap with no engine then you have your solution in terms of choice

it all depends - what thoughts do you have in relation to your damaged car? - gonna keep it? scrap it? break it?

the weight issue i think is gonna be pretty negligable which ever replacement car you choose... 100kg is just a big bloke in the back...what is that in stones?? just like being a gangster and having a dead body in the back eh?

[dark_sounds]

hmm fat fooker in the boot... fair enough... sounds abou right really.. cant make too much difference...

yeah tbh tony mate, im looking for a new IS. in any condition,,,, take what i can from mine and put it on there.. and sort it out myself...
bad body?? ill sort it out.. bad engine,,, ill sort it out... bad inside even better jsut want a cheap is

[tonyppe]

hmm 80 kilos? think we got a gangster...

who you popped? ;)