Low Surging Idle >500RPM

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Post Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:10 pm

I've been troubleshooting a low idle on a 1988 E30 325i for a couple of weeks now and still haven't found the issue. The engine idles at just under 500rpm (according to the tach) and surges rhythmically up/down about 50rpm every second or two. The "Check" light is on and flashing but shuts off after a while.



So far I have:

- Checked for vacuum leaks and replaced all vacuum hoses with new silicone hoses and new clamps. I removed and thoroughly checked the intake boot.

- I noticed that there is no change at all in engine speed/operation when I remove the oil filler cap or dipstick, which makes me think I have a serious vacuum leak somewhere.

- Checked the ICV and tested it to make sure it's working.

- Checked the Throttle Switch and replaced it with a new one (the old one worked but was filthy and old). The checked the new switch with the multimeter.

- Replaced the throttle body gasket.

- Checked the torque settings on the rocker cover nuts.

- Replaced the blue coolant temp sensor.

- Flushed and bled the coolant system.

- Replaced the O2 sensor - this didn't fix the idle but it made a noticeable difference to the amount of power the engine was making. Seems far more lively now.

- Checked the spark plugs - they look quite black but I don't know if that's because the engine was running rich with the non-functioning O2 sensor previously. I'll be replacing all the plugs on Monday so I can determine if it's running rich or lean.

- Spent an hour trying to do the "stomp test" before learning that it only works on US cars :x

- Filled tank with fresh fuel 98 octane fuel.



My next steps are:

- Get the engine professionally smoke tested for vacuum leaks.

- New clean spark plugs with checked/correct gaps.

- Check crank position sensor.

- Have fuel pressure checked in case the fuel pump or fuel pressure regulator are shot.

- Replace fuel injectors and O-rings (they look very old, they're noisy and they have surface rust).



This has been a real hair-puller for me, if anyone has had similar problems or has suggestions for other things I need to check I'm all ears!
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Post Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:09 pm

What's the type number of the engine ECU?
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Post Sun May 01, 2016 3:43 am

Brianmoooore wrote:What's the type number of the engine ECU?
It's the 173 ECU, I'm going to pull it out today to double check that it's running the stock chip and not an aftermarket unit as I read that some aftermarket chips can cause idle problems.
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Post Sun May 01, 2016 3:43 am

Brianmoooore wrote:What's the type number of the engine ECU?
It's the 173 ECU, I'm going to pull it out today to double check that it's running the stock chip and not an aftermarket unit as I read that some aftermarket chips can cause idle problems.
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Post Sun May 01, 2016 7:49 am

Afm may be?
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Post Tue May 03, 2016 2:17 am

Okay it's in the garage getting a smoke test done today to find or rule out vacuum leaks. I'll report back with the results. I've ordered a set of M50 injectors as the injectors in there right now look genuinely terrible.
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Post Tue May 03, 2016 8:05 am

I would check the ecu chip I had a custom designed chip from A tech that did this although the car never stalled and ran great and was much quicker after the chip so much so that a low idle never bothered me.
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Post Tue May 03, 2016 8:16 am

Have you tested the resistance of the coolant temp sensor at the ECU plug?

And you're better off refurbing your original injectors rather than trying to fit other injectors to try and solve the issue.
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Post Tue May 03, 2016 10:02 am

How did you test the ICV?
Where are you, or rather, what market was the car designed for? It's unusual for a UK '88 car to have an O2 sensor.
Surging idle is a characteristic of a weak mixture, but if you have an 02 sensor it would detect this. ave you monitored the O2 sensor output?
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Post Tue May 03, 2016 10:11 am

Okay I've just heard back from the garage, the smoke test revealed that there was a vacuum leak where the throttle body joins to the intake manifold. He's saying that either the throttle body or intake manifold is incorrect for the car, and as a result there is a leak at the base of the throttle body where it joins to the intake (a slight overhang).

I haven't seen it yet myself but I will do tomorrow when I go get the car. I'm going to create a new forum post about how I can identify what throttle body and/or intake I should have fitted and how I can identify the different types.
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Post Tue May 03, 2016 10:13 am

Brianmoooore wrote:How did you test the ICV?
Where are you, or rather, what market was the car designed for? It's unusual for a UK '88 car to have an O2 sensor.
Surging idle is a characteristic of a weak mixture, but if you have an 02 sensor it would detect this. ave you monitored the O2 sensor output?
Hey thanks for your reply, I didn't know about the O2 sensor not being common on the '88 UK 325i. I've identified the vacuum leak now - so it's further down the rabbit hole now with a whole new bunch of questions!
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Post Tue May 03, 2016 10:46 am

IamStandingBehindYou wrote:He's saying that either the throttle body or intake manifold is incorrect for the car, and as a result there is a leak at the base of the throttle body where it joins to the intake (a slight overhang).
Are you sure you have a 2.5 engine? This is what can happen when a 2.5 throttle body is fitted to a 2.0 inlet manifold as a 'big bore TB' modification.
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Post Tue May 03, 2016 10:48 am

Brianmoooore wrote:
IamStandingBehindYou wrote:He's saying that either the throttle body or intake manifold is incorrect for the car, and as a result there is a leak at the base of the throttle body where it joins to the intake (a slight overhang).
Are you sure you have a 2.5 engine? This is what can happen when a 2.5 throttle body is fitted to a 2.0 inlet manifold as a 'big bore TB' modification.
I'm reasonably sure it's the 2.5, it has "2.5" stamped in the exhaust side and the engine/head numbers all match up with a 2.5 litre. Is it possible that it's a 2.0 manifold on a 2.5?
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Post Tue May 03, 2016 1:29 pm

Post a picture and I'm sure we can help identify it
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Post Tue May 03, 2016 1:30 pm

DanThe wrote:Post a picture and I'm sure we can help identify it
Sorry I should have linked to the new post - http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=268594