My M62B44 build

[chu346]

So I've bought an E39 540i M62. The plan is to not only transplant the engine but the auto box, ews and maybe the dsc system too, if it isn't too much trouble.

Step 1 I'm going to strip the E39 and would like some help on what I need to keep that isn't the obvious?

[Pinchy_Larou]

Nice project, good luck with the transplant

[padi]

Firstly make sure you have an m62 and not the m62 vanos engine. The canbus on the vanos engine is an absolute nightmare! Thats how I found myself in the current mess. Then I'd say make life easy for yourself, ditch the dsc and rebuild all of the chain tensioners inside. Also check the oil pump bolts whilst its out of the car. As for bits to remember, you want the ews module, antena ring and chips from the keys, all of the looms and I the front half of the prop. i think thats really about it.
Chris.

[chu346]

I think it's the non vanos but surely all the E39's have canbus?

[DanThe]

I think it's the non vanos but surely all the E39's have canbus?

They do

[chu346]

Been looking into the wiring and so far have found 3 options

1) Conversion to M60 wiring harness (don't think it'll work with my auto box)
2) Custom loom & ECU modification (£900+)
3) Megasquirt & megashift

Is there anything I've missed?

[DanThe]

Whats wrong with the current loom?

[chu346]

Nothing

[DanThe]

I must have read that wrong first time, are you suggesting it costs £900+ to modify the original loom and ECU to work?

[chu346]

That is what I am saying. Am I wrong?

[DanThe]

Cant say as I've never looked to buy such a thing, but it can certainly be done cheaper

[chu346]

Please tell me how

[chu346]

I must have read that wrong first time, are you suggesting it costs £900+ to modify the original loom and ECU to work?

Turns out that it will cost more than double that at the place I have asked.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks.

[DanThe]

Is that for standalone or something?

[chu346]

Is that for standalone or something?

No

[DanThe]

Tell us what £1800 buys then, I'm intrigued!

[chu346]

Some wiring engine & gearbox into car and labour.

At that price I think I'll have to reconsider my engine options

[DanThe]

Thats for the complete conversion? Id bite their hands off I were you

[chu346]

No, just wiring the engine & gearbox into car.

Can you help or have some constructive advice?

[Driftben]

Im quite confused, so are you wanting to go for the megasquirt loom and standalone?

personally id keep the original loom and ECU (if your going to keep it N/A) and modify it. theres lots of literature on the inter mc web. you'll save a bucket load of cash and it will work to your needs.
the EWS you may have to get coded out or work with it if there is a way

[chu346]

Megasquirt is a plan b option. I would like to keep the original ECU and EWS if possible.

I can't seem to find any information about M62 auto wiring into E30 on the internet.

Apparently the ECU gets the road speed from the abs sensors and it is required for the auto box to work.

[Driftben]

have you looked into a EWS delete option?

also have a read through this, guys who have done the conversion is the key as they have over come this already.

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showt ... WS-Problem

[Brianmoooore]

have you looked into a EWS delete option?

also have a read through this, guys who have done the conversion is the key as they have over come this already.

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showt ... WS-Problem

EWS isn't the problem. OP has all the EWS bits, and they're easy to fit to an E30, providing a reasonably effective immobiliser.
It's all the other (lack of) signals from the car chassis trhat's the problem.

[DanThe]

I drove around for over a week in my 1998 540i Auto with the rear ABS sensor out, the clocks didn't like it but the box didn't seem to mind at all.
Also you mention you may fit DSC, so thats your speed output sorted if you need one

[chu346]

Dan, you had one sensor down, but the system still had 3 other sensors to take readings from.

The problem with fitting dsc is that apparently the e39 clocks & e39 wheel sensors will need to be fitted.

Other option for dsc is mk60 system from e46 M3 but fitting that in total should cost £2000+

[Driftben]

have you looked into a EWS delete option?

also have a read through this, guys who have done the conversion is the key as they have over come this already.

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showt ... WS-Problem

EWS isn't the problem. OP has all the EWS bits, and they're easy to fit to an E30, providing a reasonably effective immobiliser.
It's all the other (lack of) signals from the car chassis trhat's the problem.

All the other signals? being inquisitive, apart from speed signals which others would it be looking for from the chassis loom?

[DanThe]

Dan, you had one sensor down, but the system still had 3 other sensors to take readings from.

The problem with fitting dsc is that apparently the e39 clocks & e39 wheel sensors will need to be fitted.

Other option for dsc is mk60 system from e46 M3 but fitting that in total should cost £2000+

The speed reading is taken from the left rear sensor, which was not working, hence the non functioning speedo. As you have a whole car it won't take much effort to find out for sure, just by disabling the ABS.

Ive got the MK60 ABS on my track car, it cost me less than £100 in bits because I didn't feel the need for F1 technology

[chu346]

The e39 is sorn so I can't legally try that out for myself Dan.

Apparently if I want to use the e39 abs I would need to use the e39 clocks.

Tell me more about fitting the mk60?

[DanThe]

Why do you think you need the clocks for ABS to work?

[chu346]

I was informed that the e39 abs talks to the instrument cluster. Mk60 can run standalone though.

[Demlotcrew]

Ive got the MK60 ABS on my track car, it cost me less than £100 in bits because I didn't feel the need for F1 technology

You just cant help yourself........you got it working by calling everyone you knew for information, the very fact you have the audacity to ask people for help and then come out with insults like the one above can only lead me to believe it must be some underlying way to mask a lack of ability, its very easy to copy, very easy to ask others and pass off as your own, do something original and amazing, but I doubt you can.

[Demlotcrew]

I was informed that the e39 abs talks to the instrument cluster. Mk60 can run standalone though.

Some information for you Chu.

Since other control units also require the wheel speeds, such as the instrument cluster electronics (IKE) or electronic damper control (EDC), the speed signals are processed accordingly in the ABS/ASC control unit.

These speed output signals are square-wave signals with constant amplitude (low-level < 1 V, high-level> 11 V). The frequency is dependent on the wheel speeds and lies in the range between 0 ... 1700 Hz (0 ... 250 km/h).

The rear left wheel speed sensor outputs to the Instrument cluster, the rear right outputs to the engine ECU.

The other connections to the IKE from the Bosch ABS is over CAN.

Hope that helps.

Andrew

[DanThe]

Ive got the MK60 ABS on my track car, it cost me less than £100 in bits because I didn't feel the need for F1 technology

You just cant help yourself........you got it working by calling everyone you knew for information, the very fact you have the audacity to ask people for help and then come out with insults like the one above can only lead me to believe it must be some underlying way to mask a lack of ability, its very easy to copy, very easy to ask others and pass off as your own, do something original and amazing, but I doubt you can.

Hello Mr sensitive,
Original and amazing! Haha!
You told me a couple of years ago I should fit MK60 rather than E36 ABS, I wasn't that bothered about it but it worked great when you took me out in your car at Oulton so I decided I would do it.
I asked you to supply a loom for an E36 I was working on last year, you made excuses not to and gave me blatantly wrong information when I asked for pointers, I was already following online info that was posted up nearly 10 years ago, its all there on the net, same as your condescending comments to other people who were asking about the system, as I said in other threads the americans have been doing this for years, you didn't 'invent' anything and you have made nothing original or amazing, BMW/Teves/Bosch did over a decade ago, you simply fitted it to your car and got it working, same as I have.

No breakthrough inventions, just an ABS system with 2 very different price tags

[Demlotcrew]

The very same people discussing MK60's have now come to me to get the system working. At Donnington I left the pits to get my laptop to find you all over my car with the bonnet open and you under the passenger seat looking at how things should be installed.

As for something amazing, unlike your products, all of mines fit and work, all original, well thought through, manufactured to the highest quality and RELIABLE. Cant same the same for the tat you peddle.

I told you very little when you asked me for information, I have no interest in helping you out, especially with the insults and constant digs. You're a talentless copy cat with no ability to work anything out for your self, the information is far from available online. While you're spending time browsing for your next product to copy I've been working with teams and manufacturers to get their cars outfitted with an industry leading Race ABS.






Its one thing to be able to follow some instructions its another to actually comprehend what it does and why. You didn't even know the E39 rear sensors output to different modules and you're advising people to turn the ABS off as you have a sensor failure and the engine still ran perfectly? You never will have a clue Dan (unless someone tells you or posts it on the internet). I still have the messages from you telling me your not interested in ABS or how it works and how to fit it to an E30 (this was even after you were out in my car and realised the benefits) and here we are with your £100 triumphs.

I cant sell the kits fast enough, you know why? I know what I'm doing and Im able to offer REAL measurable improvements, I know how to integrate the system with ANY engine or peripheral system, I have customers queuing up for the MK60 install, so keep peddling your wares and ill keep peddling mines, I have asked you no end of times to stop the insults and digs, here I am asking you again

[DanThe]

Come on then billy big bollocks tell chu why he needs E39 clocks fitted and make yourself useful rather than blowing your own trumpet and getting bent out of shape over some words on the internet