Confirmation of why not to vote Labour. VOTE POLL

[bab-91]

Hide lads ! the Socialist Workers party (both of them)

We are not the Socialist Workers party, we are the "Socialist Party - For Workers Unity & Socialism"

[steve_k]

Hide lads ! the Socialist Workers party (both of them)

We are not the Socialist Workers party, we are the "Socialist Party - For Workers Unity & Socialism"

same thing ain't??

[ross_jsy]

University should be a privilege, not a right.

Absolutely, but it should be a privilege based on ability, not just how rich your daddy is.

It's very easy to sit there pointing the finger at media studies students when you have all the benefits of a comfortable upbringing and expert guidance from your middle class parents who know exactly how the system works from within and can also introduce you to all sorts of people who can and will further your interests.

I know a kid like that who's left 2 cushy 20 grand a year (straight out of uni) jobs in marketing, both arranged by his dad. Both times he left because he felt the work he was being given was beneath him. He'll get as many cushy offers as it takes until he gets something he likes, and in 20 years he'll be making 150 grand a year just like his dad.

Very different story if you're 18, academically gifted but come from the wrong side of town. Even getting to university is likely to be impossible, even if you're a talented mathematician or physicist.

So the smug chat about charging keeping out people who would just waste everyone's money is really quite inappropriate.

As is thinking that 'success' in art, of any kind, is measured in pounds, shillings and pence, but that's another story...

Don't get me wrong, the system is broken for the ones who are academically gifted and can't afford it or get a grant.

Try living over here. Believe it or not, we aren't all millionaires. We get charged international rates, the grant system doesn't cover anything (about £5,500 a year for the poorest families) and we have no student loan system, yet the island moans constantly that we have to import qualified workers.

And I don't buy the whole parents thing. In my case, neither of them wanted me to go into finance, believing it wasn't for me. Just happened I am quite good at it so far.

Could have been proper screwed, came very close to doing an English Literature degree. Somehow don't think my job prospects would be looking so rosy right now but I realised that myself before committing myself to £40k of debt or whatever 3 years at Uni cost these days

[bab-91]

Hide lads ! the Socialist Workers party (both of them)

We are not the Socialist Workers party, we are the "Socialist Party - For Workers Unity & Socialism"

same thing ain't??

That went over your head...

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[steve_k]

We are not the Socialist Workers party, we are the "Socialist Party - For Workers Unity & Socialism"

same thing ain't??

That went over your head...

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over my head? doubt it i knew you would take the bait lol

[Kos]

University should be a privilege, not a right.

Absolutely, but it should be a privilege based on ability, not just how rich your daddy is.

It's very easy to sit there pointing the finger at media studies students when you have all the benefits of a comfortable upbringing and expert guidance from your middle class parents who know exactly how the system works from within and can also introduce you to all sorts of people who can and will further your interests.

I know a kid like that who's left 2 cushy 20 grand a year (straight out of uni) jobs in marketing, both arranged by his dad. Both times he left because he felt the work he was being given was beneath him. He'll get as many cushy offers as it takes until he gets something he likes, and in 20 years he'll be making 150 grand a year just like his dad.

Very different story if you're 18, academically gifted but come from the wrong side of town. Even getting to university is likely to be impossible, even if you're a talented mathematician or physicist.

So the smug chat about charging keeping out people who would just waste everyone's money is really quite inappropriate.

As is thinking that 'success' in art, of any kind, is measured in pounds, shillings and pence, but that's another story...

They should offer bursaries and scholarships for the best students who come from less privilege back rounds.

But even then, no one has to pay for uni fees until you start earning

[bab-91]

They do, Kos.


Very droll, Mister Steven. I forgot you sat around all day watching re-runs..

[Gert_8]

same thing ain't??

That went over your head...

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over my head? doubt it i knew you would take the bait lol

You're so thick, Bab!!

[pacerpete]

They do, Kos.


Very droll, Mister Steven. I forgot you sat around all day watching re-runs..

Not for long ! IDS wants his fat rippled inked 4ss !

[steve_k]

That went over your head...

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over my head? doubt it i knew you would take the bait lol

You're so thick, Bab!!

it's not his fault bless him lol, i think he needs a holiday with a few of the "natives" where he works lol,

[steve_k]

They do, Kos.


Very droll, Mister Steven. I forgot you sat around all day watching re-runs..

Not for long ! IDS wants his fat rippled inked 4ss !

i do my bit i work as a carer

[bab-91]

i do my bit i work as a carer

My heart bleeds, you don't know difficulty. You don't know, man, you don't know.

I'm a walking breathing fooking saint.

it's not his fault bless him lol, i think he needs a holiday with a few of the "natives" where he works lol,

You're not wrong.

[steve_k]

i do my bit i work as a carer

My heart bleeds, you don't know difficulty. You don't know, man, you don't know.

I'm a walking breathing ********* saint.

it's not his fault bless him lol, i think he needs a holiday with a few of the "natives" where he works lol,

You're not wrong.

chill dude chill

i think you need a night out with pacer & kos might help you relax

[pony]

University should be a privilege, not a right.

Absolutely, but it should be a privilege based on ability, not just how rich your daddy is.

It's very easy to sit there pointing the finger at media studies students when you have all the benefits of a comfortable upbringing and expert guidance from your middle class parents who know exactly how the system works from within and can also introduce you to all sorts of people who can and will further your interests.

I know a kid like that who's left 2 cushy 20 grand a year (straight out of uni) jobs in marketing, both arranged by his dad. Both times he left because he felt the work he was being given was beneath him. He'll get as many cushy offers as it takes until he gets something he likes, and in 20 years he'll be making 150 grand a year just like his dad.

Very different story if you're 18, academically gifted but come from the wrong side of town. Even getting to university is likely to be impossible, even if you're a talented mathematician or physicist.

So the smug chat about charging keeping out people who would just waste everyone's money is really quite inappropriate.

As is thinking that 'success' in art, of any kind, is measured in pounds, shillings and pence, but that's another story...

Don't get me wrong, the system is broken for the ones who are academically gifted and can't afford it or get a grant.

Try living over here. Believe it or not, we aren't all millionaires. We get charged international rates, the grant system doesn't cover anything (about £5,500 a year for the poorest families) and we have no student loan system, yet the island moans constantly that we have to import qualified workers.

And I don't buy the whole parents thing. In my case, neither of them wanted me to go into finance, believing it wasn't for me. Just happened I am quite good at it so far.

Could have been proper screwed, came very close to doing an English Literature degree. Somehow don't think my job prospects would be looking so rosy right now but I realised that myself before committing myself to £40k of debt or whatever 3 years at Uni cost these days

Which uni u at and which degree u doing ?
Which area of finance are u looking at ?

Also how did u make the mindset shift or what made u decide to go back into education ?

[pony]

I was speaking with someone yesterday they said formal education is the way to make a living. Self education is the way to make a fortune. A lot of billionaires are not necessarily well educated by formal means yet they achieved financial success. However, was watching a programme about billionaires on TV and they push their kids really hard to go to he best schools, tutors, Oxbridge or Harvard etc. if formal education doesn't really matter to achieve financial success I find it strange they would push their kids so hard academically. I used to think the people wanting their kids to pushed hard academically was just an ethnic minority thing ?

[ross_jsy]

Absolutely, but it should be a privilege based on ability, not just how rich your daddy is.

It's very easy to sit there pointing the finger at media studies students when you have all the benefits of a comfortable upbringing and expert guidance from your middle class parents who know exactly how the system works from within and can also introduce you to all sorts of people who can and will further your interests.

I know a kid like that who's left 2 cushy 20 grand a year (straight out of uni) jobs in marketing, both arranged by his dad. Both times he left because he felt the work he was being given was beneath him. He'll get as many cushy offers as it takes until he gets something he likes, and in 20 years he'll be making 150 grand a year just like his dad.

Very different story if you're 18, academically gifted but come from the wrong side of town. Even getting to university is likely to be impossible, even if you're a talented mathematician or physicist.

So the smug chat about charging keeping out people who would just waste everyone's money is really quite inappropriate.

As is thinking that 'success' in art, of any kind, is measured in pounds, shillings and pence, but that's another story...

Don't get me wrong, the system is broken for the ones who are academically gifted and can't afford it or get a grant.

Try living over here. Believe it or not, we aren't all millionaires. We get charged international rates, the grant system doesn't cover anything (about £5,500 a year for the poorest families) and we have no student loan system, yet the island moans constantly that we have to import qualified workers.

And I don't buy the whole parents thing. In my case, neither of them wanted me to go into finance, believing it wasn't for me. Just happened I am quite good at it so far.

Could have been proper screwed, came very close to doing an English Literature degree. Somehow don't think my job prospects would be looking so rosy right now but I realised that myself before committing myself to £40k of debt or whatever 3 years at Uni cost these days

Which uni u at and which degree u doing ?
Which area of finance are u looking at ?

Also how did u make the mindset shift or what made u decide to go back into education ?

I am doing it over here, the degree is through the University of Plymouth and is a BA Hons in Financial Services. Was going to go to the UK and do it at a better university, but didn't want to be a financial burden on my parents (I am supporting myself through this) and doing it over here means 15 weeks work placement a year, which I saw as a great foot in the door.

So far it looks like I am going to fall into fund administration as the placement I am working for really want me and have offered me a decent salary to quit the degree and start immediately, have had to turn them down 3 times now and they keep upping the package, it's getting very tempting but want to see the degree through. Ideally I want to end up in investments, but there isn't a huge amount of investment companies over here, where I want to stay for a little while at least.

I think I just sort of grew up. I hated school and never worked for it, but always achieved decent grades and left when I was 16 which I have grown to regret since. I had a decent career ahead of me as a site manager but with the economic slowdown hitting the island, all the big jobs started drying up and I was on itty States housing refurb jobs. Took the plunge, went back to school and did my A levels and am very pleased with how they came out and then started the degree.

I think it was the potential to grow my career in finance that attracted me, along with the salary. I sort of peaked early as realistically there isn't much higher you can go as a site manager, other than project manager but few site guys ever seem to make it into senior managerial/directorial positions which is where I want to be

[pony]

Good news to hear u been offered a job with your placement company
Defo worth completing your degree
Can always re approach them or find other companies
Good luck

[bab-91]

Strange, graduates of all descriptions have become a businesses most disposable asset. Companies like Deloitte and PWC, to name a few, have increased the threshold for graduate schemes but here is a company offering Ross a decent job that 1st class grads would kill for.

You're either an exceptional human being or you're full of shit or there is truth to what Pat said.




*I'm pulling your leg.

[Gert_8]

Strange, graduates of all descriptions have become a businesses most disposable asset. Companies like Deloitte and PWC, to name a few, have increased the threshold for graduate schemes but here is a company offering Ross a decent job that 1st class grads would kill for.

You're either an exceptional human being or you're full of shit or there is truth to what Pat said.




*I'm pulling your leg.

Rossy is a prince, and this on its own brings privileges

[ross_jsy]

Strange, graduates of all descriptions have become a businesses most disposable asset. Companies like Deloitte and PWC, to name a few, have increased the threshold for graduate schemes but here is a company offering Ross a decent job that 1st class grads would kill for.

You're either an exceptional human being or you're full of shit or there is truth to what Pat said.




*I'm pulling your leg.

It's mainly down to work ethic. It's the first job I've had where a 12 hour day isn't the norm so I stay late pretty much every night and put some major shifts in when needed. Plus I picked it up really quick.

On course for a First Class too, which helps

[ross_jsy]

And cheers Pony

[bab-91]

Ah! I forgot, Gert! Dam blue bloods.


Fantastic, Ross. I was only pulling your leg, it happens. Schrader did something similar for a mate. Hired as technician, within 12 months he was managing his own projects. He was being paid peanuts for doing the work of a engineer but it's paying off. They are paying for his degree, he's 25 so similar story, and they have promised him a managerial role in 5 years.


He was helped by the fact that the Grad's that were supposedly superior to him were fooking useless.

[pony]

What kind of engineering is he doing ? What and where is he studying ? What's the firm called ?

[bab-91]

What kind of engineering is he doing ? What and where is he studying ? What's the firm called ?

SCHRADER! Lol.

He's doing electrical engineering, working on wireless tyre pressure sensors, mainly software testing.

He's either going to QUB, UU or OU, I don't think he's decided.

[Grrrmachine]

But even then, no one has to pay for uni fees until you start earning

As if that's an incentive.

18 year-olds are currently being forced to choose between what they want to do, what they're good at, and what earns. And not just earns enough for a roof over your head or to support your partner and children, but enough to pay off 40 grand's worth of debt for the "privilege" of accessing the labour market.

I understand that the fees do a good job of limiting the number of media studies graduates we have, but it also limits the number of teachers, counsellors, and numerous healthcare positions that aren't acutal doctors; in short, all the jobs that require a degree to do, but don't pay anywhere near enough to cover the education costs.

[bab-91]

I read somewhere that Uni numbers increased despite the fee hike.

[rh306]

What do they do in Germany? I vaguely recall hearing that they take longer and work their way through?

[Gert_8]

Back on topic. Farage has decided to stay on as UKIP leader - there's a fucking surprise!!

[bab-91]

What do they do in Germany? I vaguely recall hearing that they take longer and work their way through?

In Germany & France Uni is Monday-Friday, 9-5. They also have semester placements from start to finish.

Most German/French students come to the UK for a break. Most courses here are 16 hours a week.

That's what they told me anyway.

[Gert_8]

What do they do in Germany? I vaguely recall hearing that they take longer and work their way through?

In Germany & France Uni is Monday-Friday, 9-5. They also have semester placements from start to finish.

Most German/French students come to the UK for a break. Most courses here are 16 hours a week.

That's what they told me anyway.

I heard Germans don't charge fees, either.... or it is a nominal amount.

[bab-91]

It's heavily subsidised. I remember them thinkin that £6k a year was criminal! They probably shit themselves when they asked English students.


I have one of the guys on bakebook. I'll ask him but it was below £3k a year iirc.

[Gert_8]

It's heavily subsidised. I remember them thinkin that £6k a year was criminal! They probably shit themselves when they asked English students.


I have one of the guys on bakebook. I'll ask him but it was below £3k a year iirc.

Bet you it's less, most probably £1K

[bab-91]

That's a bet I'm prepared to take.

If I win, you have to take Pony out for dinner.

If you win, you have the pleasure of being correct.

[rh306]

What do they do in Germany? I vaguely recall hearing that they take longer and work their way through?

In Germany & France Uni is Monday-Friday, 9-5. They also have semester placements from start to finish.

Most German/French students come to the UK for a break. Most courses here are 16 hours a week.

That's what they told me anyway.

My English lit degree was about 3 hours contact time a week No seven figures job in finance at the end of it though sadly (as noted above)

[Gert_8]

That's a bet I'm prepared to take.

If I win, you have to take Pony out for dinner.

If you win, you have the pleasure of being correct.

No chance - I've heard Pony eats like a.....horse!