Confirmation of why not to vote Labour. VOTE POLL

[Mitchen]

Poor old Tommy Robinson got put straight on his arse on his last visit to Pompey when Luton played here

Where hasn't that happened

[spook]

Indeed mate

[TPS]

"photograph criticism"

What sort of job is that supposed to get?

[pony]

Sikh channel interviewing tommy

[rh306]

"photograph criticism"

What sort of job is that supposed to get?

sorry typo 'photography criticism', only options I could see were academia or becoming an art critic for one of the broadsheets. Neither route exactly overflowing with vacancies

[TPS]

I had to ask, never heard of it!

[Andyboy]

University should be a privilege, not a right. Charging for it somewhat ensures this but there are still hoards of mongs getting themselves into crippling debt doing a media studies degree thinking it will be worth something The cost of education would be far less of an issue if people were intelligent enough to realise you should only go to Uni to study something worthwhile with decent career prospects at the end of it, where paying off that debt is not going to be an issue.

See it with a lot of my friends. Ones who did STEM subjects all walked straight into jobs, all of them are now earning very good money, where as the ones who did bs degrees like textiles (seriously), art etc are screwed and obviously it's the governments fault for increasing uni fees

I am happy with the result as it looks like the islands economy will be sound for at least the next 5 years. Keep stashing your money over here chaps, I know some good accountants if you need advice*

*For a finders fee

There's a whole deluded generation out there. I know a guy who did an MA at the Royal Academy in photograph criticism and is now surprised he can only get call centre jobs. It's the sense of entitlement that is most annoying, they've been told they're 'special' throughout their lavish education, they come out the other end and are surprised to land on the asses. This lot have even got a name now 'laggies'

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/lon ... 47882.html

Meanwhile, a relatively uneducated friend of a friend is earning more money that he can realistically spend. He's a plumber. Spent the last 10 years working for someone else but still doing okay, and now doing last minute call outs for a big company fitting bathrooms, gas fires etc. He gets the call, goes out and fits/plums in anything eater or gas related, collects his 300 quid and buggers off.

Ten of those a week............

[Gert_8]

Pony

Shut up.

+10,000. Come and talk about issues when you've stopped living with Mummy and Daddy.

[Gert_8]

Education isn't all about the sciences. Society needs creative artists and thinkers too.

My mate's son left school at 16 and is earning a fortunate creating music. If you want to succeed, don't let education, or the lack of it, stop you.

[ross_jsy]

University should be a privilege, not a right. Charging for it somewhat ensures this but there are still hoards of mongs getting themselves into crippling debt doing a media studies degree thinking it will be worth something The cost of education would be far less of an issue if people were intelligent enough to realise you should only go to Uni to study something worthwhile with decent career prospects at the end of it, where paying off that debt is not going to be an issue.

See it with a lot of my friends. Ones who did STEM subjects all walked straight into jobs, all of them are now earning very good money, where as the ones who did bs degrees like textiles (seriously), art etc are screwed and obviously it's the governments fault for increasing uni fees

I am happy with the result as it looks like the islands economy will be sound for at least the next 5 years. Keep stashing your money over here chaps, I know some good accountants if you need advice*

*For a finders fee

There's a whole deluded generation out there. I know a guy who did an MA at the Royal Academy in photograph criticism and is now surprised he can only get call centre jobs. It's the sense of entitlement that is most annoying, they've been told they're 'special' throughout their lavish education, they come out the other end and are surprised to land on the asses. This lot have even got a name now 'laggies'

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/lon ... 47882.html

Meanwhile, a relatively uneducated friend of a friend is earning more money that he can realistically spend. He's a plumber. Spent the last 10 years working for someone else but still doing okay, and now doing last minute call outs for a big company fitting bathrooms, gas fires etc. He gets the call, goes out and fits/plums in anything eater or gas related, collects his 300 quid and buggers off.

Ten of those a week............

I am all for a complete reformation of the education system. Personally, I would like to see a system where those who will not achieve GCSE's are given the option at 14 to start vocational training. Say, lessons in plumbing, brick laying etc with basic maths and English skills thrown in, along with life skills (budgeting, and education on loans, taxes etc). Turn 16, and they are going to be far more attractive to employers looking to take on apprentices if they have a base knowledge to start with, combined with the fact I bet it would propagate a better work ethic than being forced into a classroom learning trigonometry

[ross_jsy]

Education isn't all about the sciences. Society needs creative artists and thinkers too.

My mate's son left school at 16 and is earning a fortunate creating music. If you want to succeed, don't let education, or the lack of it, stop you.

And I know what you are saying Gertrude, but I have a few friends who are artists, and fewer who make a living off it. The ones who make money from it have no formal training. Compared to say the girl I know who studied fashion and textiles at uni who now lives in a shed in her grandparents garden earning peanuts hand spinning hipster jumpers on a loom, that masters really paid off

[bab-91]

Ross, wait until you've completed 3rd level education before you reform it.

[steve_k]

when it comes to doing completely useless college/uni courses a mate of mine did one 20yr's ago & eveyone said he was wasting his time with it.

what was it? building & repairing/rebuilding wattle & daub/mud & stud houses. i:e wood framed house with walls make of straw, horsehair & mud (a certain mix) with a central inglenook fireplace to heat the house with either a thatch roof or pan tile roof,

if you are unsure what i mean the PM jesus (roger) he should know what i mean lol.

like i said, everyone told him it was a waste of time & that he'd never make any money from it, how he laughed when he sold his first build for enough to pay for the first build & afford to build a few more (can't remember the exact amount but it was a fair old wedge

also if any of you have heard of flag fen near peterborro he help'ed to design & build the round hoses they have there.

he's going to be traing me how to do it in the summer

turns out he's one of the main men in this country & parts of Europe for this type of building. so who says he was wasting his time? he only has to work for 6months evey year or so.

[B7]

I think that's a bit different Steve. He has the foresight to learn a dying skill ans of course , if he's good enough, he's going to do well. It's a similar thing with thatchers and guys who restore the ornate plasterwork.

What is being referred to above is the time wasters doing degrees in areas that have no intention of actually following up.

[steve_k]

I think that's a bit different Steve. He has the foresight to learn a dying skill ans of course , if he's good enough, he's going to do well. It's a similar thing with thatchers and guys who restore the ornate plasterwork.

What is being referred to above is the time wasters doing degrees in areas that have no intention of actually following up.

i know what you mean trev, i mearly posted that to show that while some folk think certain courses are a waste of time & money & can lead nowhere, that some might seem a waste of time to some that they can lead to very good things,

he's the same age as me & is retiring when he's 40 later this year.
he did it 20yr's ago to prove folk wrong, & yes he's done very well for himself.

some of the courses that are on offer today are a joke of the first water, my step brother showed me one at the local college for social media studies, you basically sit on the laptop on facebook & twitter all day & "examine" whats "trending", now that is a waste of taxpayers money in any "normal" persons eye's.

[Jesus325iTouring]

Education isn't all about the sciences. Society needs creative artists and thinkers too.

My mate's son left school at 16 and is earning a fortunate creating music. If you want to succeed, don't let education, or the lack of it, stop you.

Hopefully the same with or lad, he is currently doing a master's degree in music and song writing, oddly, he was recently told his last submission of work was to good, was at a doctorate level
He clearly already is at good writing music and songs and can play many instruments, well worth buying him his first guitar best part of ten years ago. I remember it well open it Christmas morning, and could play it by the afternoon.

[ross_jsy]

Ross, wait until you've completed 3rd level education before you reform it.

F00k off!

Had the position offered to me 3 more times and they are now trying to offer me a retainer/golden handcuffs but want to flexibility my predicted First will get me. Relevant degrees FTW!

[bab-91]

Ross, wait until you've completed 3rd level education before you reform it.

F00k off!

Had the position offered to me 3 more times and they are now trying to offer me a retainer/golden handcuffs but want to flexibility my predicted First will get me. Relevant degrees FTW!

Not many degrees are actually vocational and there is trouble with academic language differing from language used by employers. Even with your degree, I can guarantee it will hardly be mentioned in an interview. It's all about beating the paper sift.

All the best with it, hope you smash the life out of it.

[Gert_8]

All rights to the music are the lad's I mentioned, and did you know that the money continues to roll in in royalty payment for a period of 75 years AFTER DEATH!!

[bab-91]

All rights to the music are the lad's I mentioned, and did you know that the money continues to roll in in royalty payment for a period of 75 years AFTER DEATH!!

Pretty pointless after death.

[Gert_8]

All rights to the music are the lad's I mentioned, and did you know that the money continues to roll in in royalty payment for a period of 75 years AFTER DEATH!!

Pretty pointless after death.

Not for his family - this is why Michael Jackson releases more music now, then when he was alive

[bab-91]

All rights to the music are the lad's I mentioned, and did you know that the money continues to roll in in royalty payment for a period of 75 years AFTER DEATH!!

Pretty pointless after death.

Not for his family - this is why Michael Jackson releases more music now, then when he was alive

The wealthy could learn from Warren Buffett. Tell the family to get up of their arses and make their own way in the world.

[pony]

Ross, wait until you've completed 3rd level education before you reform it.

F00k off!

Had the position offered to me 3 more times and they are now trying to offer me a retainer/golden handcuffs but want to flexibility my predicted First will get me. Relevant degrees FTW!

Not many degrees are actually vocational and there is trouble with academic language differing from language used by employers. Even with your degree, I can guarantee it will hardly be mentioned in an interview. It's all about beating the paper sift.

All the best with it, hope you smash the life out of it.

The vocational degrees I would say are
Engineering
Medicine
Dentistry
Vetinery Science
Physics - physicist
Chemistry - chemist
Biology - biologist
Law - lawyer ? Do u need a law degree to be a lawyer ?

A lot of the art subjects are quite wishy washy

[bab-91]

By vocational, I mean you can walk in qualified-useful.

Law, accountancy, nursing, is a diffinate no. You need further paper work/experience.


Student nurses are genuinely more trouble than they are worth, well 99.9%.

Student psychologists are also hilouriously useless.

Funny stories I could never post online.

[pony]

You may need some work experience but I think u can defo get a job for law, nursing etc with those right qualifications

[Kos]

You may need some work experience but I think u can defo get a job for law, nursing etc with those right qualifications

With law you have to then do a legal practice course which is another 8k

If you're lucky/good enough a future employer may cough up for it

[pacerpete]

You may need some work experience but I think u can defo get a job for law, nursing etc with those right qualifications

With law you have to then do a legal practice course which is another 8k

If you're lucky/good enough a future employer may cough up for it

Is that why they charge 8k each case / victim ?

[Gert_8]

Law = too much writing. If your strength lacks the ability to string a coherent sentence together, your pretty much fecked.

[Gert_8]

Nigel Farage was UKIP - it'll all dwindle to nothing without him.

Credit where it's due; Farage and his racist party, tried to dress things up in a cloak of credibility”“ took in some gullible fools along the way, and failed.

lesson learned, back to basics, boys, back to basics”¦..unfortunately, it was the baser element that let him down.

Here we go with the back to basics. EDL starts marching! Lol

[snakebrain]

University should be a privilege, not a right.

Absolutely, but it should be a privilege based on ability, not just how rich your daddy is.

It's very easy to sit there pointing the finger at media studies students when you have all the benefits of a comfortable upbringing and expert guidance from your middle class parents who know exactly how the system works from within and can also introduce you to all sorts of people who can and will further your interests.

I know a kid like that who's left 2 cushy 20 grand a year (straight out of uni) jobs in marketing, both arranged by his dad. Both times he left because he felt the work he was being given was beneath him. He'll get as many cushy offers as it takes until he gets something he likes, and in 20 years he'll be making 150 grand a year just like his dad.

Very different story if you're 18, academically gifted but come from the wrong side of town. Even getting to university is likely to be impossible, even if you're a talented mathematician or physicist.

So the smug chat about charging keeping out people who would just waste everyone's money is really quite inappropriate.

As is thinking that 'success' in art, of any kind, is measured in pounds, shillings and pence, but that's another story...

[bab-91]

University should be a privilege, not a right.

Absolutely, but it should be a privilege based on ability, not just how rich your daddy is.

It's very easy to sit there pointing the finger at media studies students when you have all the benefits of a comfortable upbringing and expert guidance from your middle class parents who know exactly how the system works from within and can also introduce you to all sorts of people who can and will further your interests.

Stop tickling Ross's ballix and just tell him what you think, Pat.

[pacerpete]

Hide lads ! the Socialist Workers party (both of them) have just got back from trashing London and they are still angry !

[steve_k]

Hide lads ! the Socialist Workers party (both of them) have just got back from trashing London and they are still angry !

break out the emergency tofu & wheatgrass lentils & the daily mail on sunday, should be enough to distract them for a while