The next thing on the up?

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Post Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:37 pm

After being in the doldrums for many years now and bugger all left of the relatively small number made, surely the last of the Hand built masterpieces is set to rise?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-BMW-M5-3 ... 19fab32b09

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Post Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:30 pm

3.8's are where its at :o
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:34 pm

No pony to bang on about LE's being the only one to have!
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:52 pm

bss325i wrote:No pony to bang on about LE's being the only one to have!
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I think they are due a boost in price. I do quite fancy one as well.
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:09 pm

Due for a boost for a long time now,

Still bargains to be had though.. a mate has just scored a very nice T&T M5 touring for less than I paid for the wifes smart car ! :eek:
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Post Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:14 pm

I'm surprised they haven't gone up in price already.
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:52 am

There's still a few out there around the 5-6k mark.

Missed a m5 touring a year or so ago for £3.5k needed some tlc but was a running m5 :(.

I managed to get hold of an LE last year which I will be holding onto for short while.

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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:25 pm

The problem with M5 E34's is the same as Porsche 928's. Everyone knows the insane prices of parts and the cost of fixing them. Not just that, but the E39 version is a lot faster, newer etc. In short, only the low miles/never rusted stuff will be worth anything.

Cylinder heads are a service item on the 3.6, quite normal mate. :D
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:15 pm

Andyboy wrote:The problem with M5 E34's is the same as Porsche 928's. Everyone knows the insane prices of parts and the cost of fixing them. Not just that, but the E39 version is a lot faster, newer etc. In short, only the low miles/never rusted stuff will be worth anything.

Cylinder heads are a service item on the 3.6, quite normal mate. :D
It's not just E39s, E60s can be had for the 20k asking price of the second one up there.
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:32 pm

the parts prices are no worse really than any other M car, the EDC shocks can now be rebuilt by a company in poland
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:15 pm

They bottomed out a few years ago. The £1600 3.6 with a ticket and a list of ailments is a distant memory. Biggest issue holding these back now is the well documented costs of getting and keeping them up to scratch and the fact that to the untrained eye they look like a 518 . Four door saloons , no matter how worthy are not loved by the masses. You have to really want an E34 M5.
The fact that many are leggy pigs beyond cost effective repair and plenty are still getting fragged is helping the values of the nice low mileage cars to increase which drags up the price of the rest.
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:04 pm

Many have been fragged. That David Olias guy has done 50+ I heard.
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:06 pm

HairyScreech wrote:
Andyboy wrote:The problem with M5 E34's is the same as Porsche 928's. Everyone knows the insane prices of parts and the cost of fixing them. Not just that, but the E39 version is a lot faster, newer etc. In short, only the low miles/never rusted stuff will be worth anything.

Cylinder heads are a service item on the 3.6, quite normal mate. :D
It's not just E39s, E60s can be had for the 20k asking price of the second one up there.
That's kind of missing the point though.

Like E30 M3's or many classics, there are newer versions that are faster, better at what they do but they are not the same.
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:23 pm

HairyScreech wrote:
It's not just E39s, E60s can be had for the 20k asking price of the second one up there.
But you'd been to be very, very brave to want one of those. Whilst an E34 M5 engine can be rebuilt with £100 worth of Halfords tools, you can forget working on an E60 M5 yourself.
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:27 pm

Simon13 wrote:the parts prices are no worse really than any other M car, the EDC shocks can now be rebuilt by a company in poland
What about the rotten pipework, wankered ECU control unit, shagged top mounts, the £1300 AFM. Check out the cost on an E34 M5 exhaust system but make sure you're sat down first.
They're a great old bus but you need seriously deep pockets as well as skillz.
They don't frighten me because there is always a way around problems. Tired EDC belongs in an orange metal container with 'GRUNDON" written on the side.
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:29 pm

they were about in tiny numbers really something like 343 3.8's and 700 odd 3.6s in rhd? I bet only a third are left being realistic?

I'll just enjoy mine, if it goes up a little in value then great
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:34 pm

Simon13 wrote:they were about in tiny numbers really something like 343 3.8's and 700 odd 3.6s in rhd? I bet only a third are left being realistic?

I'll just enjoy mine, if it goes up a little in value then great
Yep, and out of that how many are actually any good? I doubt they'll ever be mega money but who in 2002 ever thought a Sport Evo would the there $$$ they are now? How many miles has the Anusblau done Simon?
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Post Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:20 pm

136k Mr. E

Not many good ones i'd guess - they're all in long term ownership. They're at that old car stage where they're pretty good or pretty sh!t. The middle ground stuff isn't about
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Post Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:24 am

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... 95/2838241

this has come to market again, i remember about 3 years ago it came up cheap on ebay for about £3000 after a lengthy lay off the road and not Tax/test

Some trader type snapped it up and have been trying to sell it for £10,000 plus the past few years.

His logic is now its £14,000
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Post Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:39 am

Simon13 wrote:http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... 95/2838241

this has come to market again, i remember about 3 years ago it came up cheap on ebay for about £3000 after a lengthy lay off the road and not Tax/test

Some trader type snapped it up and have been trying to sell it for £10,000 plus the past few years.

His logic is now its £14,000
For that price, you would think he would put original headlamps on it and number plates...
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Post Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:40 am

He must like the car :D
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Post Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:52 pm

Does anyone think that these will be worth much more than a nice e39 m5 when the numbers dwindle? I'm talking about a fair few years from now.
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Post Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:45 pm

just how low do the numbers need to go? They're pretty low as it is and theres lots of cars that disappear and worth much either
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Post Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:08 am

Simon13 wrote:they were about in tiny numbers really something like 343 3.8's and 700 odd 3.6s in rhd? I bet only a third are left being realistic?
Far less 3.6's than that Si, the UK cars are a pretty even split despite the 3.6 only being sold for 2 years of the 5 year production run - 283 3.6's and 304 3.8's sold by BMW UK.
741 RHD cars sold in total worldwide by BMW.

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Post Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:02 am

e30topless wrote:Due for a boost for a long time now,

Still bargains to be had though.. a mate has just scored a very nice T&T M5 touring for less than I paid for the wifes smart car ! :eek:
For a chap who is clearly a dedicated petrol head, what on earth possessed you to by one of those horrific abortions?? Are you wanting to get a divorce? winkeye
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Post Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:38 am

Jesus325iTouring wrote:For a chap who is clearly a dedicated petrol head, what on earth possessed you to by one of those horrific abortions?? Are you wanting to get a divorce? winkeye
best car I have ever bought the old lady because I foot the fuel bill/running costs, she was driving a 530i before that ! :D

free road tax, 85mpg and £70 per year fully comp ins..and nothing has broke in the last 3 years/50k of use
she can actually park the turd and really loves it :D
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Post Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:39 am

Smarts are great. The trick is to serve them before the pin falls out of the grenade that is the engine :(
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Post Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:15 pm

Fair points there then really, however, you could make it a little more interesting and remove the above mentioned grenade and fit a Hayabusa lump such as the one on Youtube 8O
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Post Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:49 pm

Quentin Wilson has just said these m5s are on the up aswell
Watching his classic car show on channel 5 now.
He reckons the 3.8 is the one.
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Post Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:03 pm

whiterhino wrote:Quentin Wilson has just said the 3.8 is the one with the £1000 dealer only MAF sensor
EFA :D
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e30topless said : Proper BMW's have 4 headlights, last of the run was the E30 and E34/E32 anything after that is just complete shite
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Post Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:24 pm

It is £1000 but its NLA at the moment along with the EDC dampers. Shows how much BMW car about their heritage in some ways i think
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Post Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:18 am

It's all down to economics. Boge and Bosch would need a minimum order that will exceed the number of these things left on the road. Can you imagine the cost of making the shocks?

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