e30 on nos?

[chip-3door]

finally go tto the end of the thread.

fcuking cracking up laughing at some of the comments

Chip thats a good and well informed discussion which is more than what i can say for Kos or SteveTigger who sounds like Kos's girlfriend

what part was well informed, the fatc he thinks every nitrous kit BAR WoN is shit?? i'd still recomednd my self that kit, thats the funny thing about it!!

grow up with the silly inflametry comments about me or anyone else

The bits where i explained WHY, but you are so fucking blinkered to the fact i think one thing is better than another you dont realise its based on a very deep knowledge of the subject not just cause im blindly supporting WoN like someone might their local football club!

[zimmerman]

Kos - all this thread is obviously WAY over your head and you are taking things personally as you cannot understand (or do not have the capacity to) the technical merits of each system discussed here.

It seems you are just offering your blinkered opinion and cannot discuss or highlight the benefits of the other systems you mention.

This thread reminds me of the typical football supporters who change team at every given opportunity to jump on the latest bandwagon. I bet there are many more Chelsea supporters now than there were a couple of years ago.

I know Chip and he is defo one of the most knowledgeable people on this subject - but again you think you know best as you have nos'd up a nova

So to sum up Steve and Kos put your toys back in your prams or at least offer some technical info to this thread.

[bootyman]

Come on now guys, lets not get personal here. This thread is meant to be about giving informtive information to us mere mortals who are looking to do this conversion. I understand that there will always be a difference of openions on a thread like this, but i think it's time we all just let go of that and get back to subject

[Kos]

I know Chip and he is defo one of the most knowledgeable people on this subject - but again you think you know best as you have nos'd up a nova

dont own a nos'd up nove, use to have one years ago, (look at my thread to see what car i drive!!)

i'm not a blinkered pony either chip, i keep sayning the I WOULD use the same WoN kits like you, but NOS are not as shit as you claim they are, i know many people who use them and a very very happy with them, this includes street users and racers

[zimmerman]

i'm not a blinkered pony either chip, i keep sayning the I WOULD use the same WoN kits like you, but NOS are not as shit as you claim they are, i know many people who use them and a very very happy with them, this includes street users and racers

so what makes them not as shit as Chip claims them to be - a technical answer would suffice here not a personal opinion

[chip-3door]

I know Chip and he is defo one of the most knowledgeable people on this subject - but again you think you know best as you have nos'd up a nova

dont own a nos'd up nove, use to have one years ago, (look at my thread to see what car i drive!!)

i'm not a blinkered pony either chip, i keep sayning the I WOULD use the same WoN kits like you, but NOS are not as shit as you claim they are, i know many people who use them and a very very happy with them, this includes street users and racers

They work just about, and in racing with big yank engines the total lack of finesse or control doesnt matter, anyone using a bad nitrous setup who has never used a good one is going to think its awesome and the best thing since sliced bread, nitrous even done badly is still VERY effective.

NOS kits work, just not very well, especially in terms of reliable use on a road car.

From a "cheaply gas my big block chevvy for a bit of extra kick on the strip" quick and dirty solution point of view they are fine, but from a "i want to maximise the performance of my daily driver on gas whilst maintaining reliablity" point of view they are SHIT as they absolutely will not work long term reliabley with pulsed operation.

Until NOS / NX / ZEX etc actually come up with a plausable soleniod design for pulsing i cant see how anyone could possibly say they ranked as anything other than "shit for use on a road car", and thats being very kind to not mention that even on drag cars they still aint all that and a bag of chips either!

Im not saying they are shit because i dont like america, im not saying they are shit because im a football supporter and dont like it called soccer, im not saying they are shit for ANY reason other than the fact that they are!

They simply dont have the technology to compete on a daily driver!

Ask me about carbs versus throttle bodies and i will give you the same sort of answer, so will ANYONE who actually knows what they are talking about!

[Ziggy]

Blimmin 'eck

Well I actually found some bits of that very interesting...

Now for my questions!

1: What's the legal situation like these days? Can you get insured, will it cost a ridiculous amount etc etc...

2: Would I be insane to want a setup with NOS & LPG?! I'm assuming you couldn't run both at the same time, but LPG makes sense for the daily grind, & a bit more power sounds like fun for the weekend!

3: What other things work well with NOS? Bigger bore throttle body? Cams?


Cheers

[chip-3door]

Blimmin 'eck

Well I actually found some bits of that very interesting...

Now for my questions!

Was it the bits with information or the bits with people like stevetigger just being a tosser?



Seriously thoug:

1: What's the legal situation like these days? Can you get insured, will it cost a ridiculous amount etc etc...

In the uk you can insure with Adrian Flux for nitrous use, but ONLY with a wizards of nos kit, not with any of the yank crap as its potentially dangerous and not even fully legal in the uk, so no large insurance company im aware of is prepared to take the risk.

2: Would I be insane to want a setup with NOS & LPG?! I'm assuming you couldn't run both at the same time, but LPG makes sense for the daily grind, & a bit more power sounds like fun for the weekend!

No reason not to fit both on the same car, and no reason not to use at the same time, but would be simpler not to as im not aware of an off the shelf kit that does that and more importantly if you are at the end of the tank the pressure drops and can result in a leanout (felt as a loss of power) this could be very dangerous whilst on gas.

3: What other things work well with NOS? Bigger bore throttle body? Cams?

Useful specifically for nitrous:
Exhaust manifold, exhaust, headwork on the exhaust side, exhaust cam

Not useful specifically for nitrous:
throttle body, inlet cam, headwork to the inlet side

Dangerous when used with nitrous:
Perofrmance ECU "Chips" not specifically designed for nitrous use



Any more questions, feel free to ask, or if you dont fancy trusting the opinion of just one expert on the subject, get yourself over to www.noswizard.com where you can ask many more people who also know what they are on about.

[Ziggy]

Cheers!

Been contemplating engine swaps etc, but I'm now considering nitrous obviously! & I'll certainly be taking your advice onboard.

Think I'll save the engine swap for a 24v capri anyway... ;)


Oh, & I can't be arsed with arguements on the internet - always reminds me of the old parallel with the special olympics...

[chip-3door]

Cheers!

Been contemplating engine swaps etc, but I'm now considering nitrous obviously! & I'll certainly be taking your advice onboard.

Think I'll save the engine swap for a 24v capri anyway... ;)


Oh, & I can't be arsed with arguements on the internet - always reminds me of the old parallel with the special olympics...

Its just like the special olympics mate, sometimes the people watching find something interesting, just like you did then.

The thing to remember when considering nitrous to make a car faster though is the VERY small amount of time that a 50 quid bottle of nitrous lasts, i would only ever recomend it on something that you find is quick enough 99.9% of the time anyway as a quick extra hit when you need it most, not a way to make a slow car fast.

[Ziggy]

& even if you win, you're still a retard.

The 325 is fast enough nearly all the time, there's just the odd occaision when I'd like that bit more... & I'll build something else to scare myself in the rest of the time!
I think a 24v cossie lump in a stripped out capri should fit that bill. Bound to give me something to use the welder on & an excuse to keep my x-frame & strut brace too ;) Or do I just stick with a 2.1 pinto on 45s, then upgrade to a turbo cossie lump?! Decisions, decisions... Gotta be done though.

This is usually the point where I'd apologise for going off topic...

[chip-3door]

& even if you win, you're still a retard.

Only if (like stevetigger/Kos replying on here for the sake of just arguing wihtout saying anything thats actually useful) you are a retard to start with, if you manage to give people useful info then i dont think thats the case at all, which is a good job really or you wouldnt have got any answers LOL

The 325 is fast enough nearly all the time, there's just the odd occaision when I'd like that bit more...

Ideal candidate for gas then i guess mate, personally if i had gas on our 325 i would drive with the gas on ALL the time i was in a straight line prerry much as i find that level of performance so fucking boring TBH, but luckily we will only normally use it when there are corners involved like trackdays or ring trips.

& I'll build something else to scare myself in the rest of the time!
I think a 24v cossie lump in a stripped out capri should fit that bill. Bound to give me something to use the welder on & an excuse to keep my x-frame & strut brace too ;) Or do I just stick with a 2.1 pinto on 45s, then upgrade to a turbo cossie lump?! Decisions, decisions... Gotta be done though.

This is usually the point where I'd apologise for going off topic...

The 24v lump is ok when modified, but its pretty pedestrian in standard form, more than enough for a capri though probably as they handle pretty terribley IMHO!

[Ziggy]

Gah, not another capri doubter?!

But then they do usually all have fcuked rear springs & shocks, & no axle location!

The 325i isn't fast, but as a day to day car (& a cab at that!), it's usually enough. Fun ain't all about straight lines anyway... & nor's keeping my licence!

& there's a big difference between an arguement & a discussion - it's usually when someone gets personal...

[chip-3door]

Gah, not another capri doubter?!

But then they do usually all have fcuked rear springs & shocks, & no axle location!

Its a state of the ark setup

The 325i isn't fast, but as a day to day car (& a cab at that!), it's usually enough. Fun ain't all about straight lines anyway... & nor's keeping my licence!

Indeed!
Ours is one of the slowest cars ive ever owned but i still enjoy driving it

& there's a big difference between an arguement & a discussion - it's usually when someone gets personal...

Well thats your opinion you ugly twat

[Ziggy]

Ahh, you're not my type anyway!

[stevetigger]

Was it the bits with information or the bits with people like stevetigger just being a tosser?

Find out who somebody is before calling them a Tosser.

[chip-3door]

Was it the bits with information or the bits with people like stevetigger just being a tosser?

Find out who somebody is before calling them a Tosser.

You were being a tosser, what else would i need to find out about you before saying that you were doing so?
Surely the only qualification one needs in order to be fairly accused of being a tosser, is them having just acted like one?

[m-dtech]

lol this thread is like watching eastenders but more entertaining.

i love it how people brand drop and know nothing about the other brands.

my comments would be...

gas is ok if you want that edge etc but to think about using it permnanently is stupid.

turbo your car or fit a cossie lump lol

[Chaos]

And he did understand, He was just saying he had a different OPINION

steve how can you have differing opinions about solid facts ?

[chip-3door]

lol this thread is like watching eastenders but more entertaining.

i love it how people brand drop and know nothing about the other brands.

my comments would be...

gas is ok if you want that edge etc but to think about using it permnanently is stupid.

turbo your car or fit a cossie lump lol

dont be so politically correct and say "people" when what you meant was "that idiot Kos"

Agree on the turbo or YB though, nitrous is only any good if you only need the power occasionally!

[m-dtech]

i think mods should delete all non relevent posts on this thread as it is quite interesting and there is some very good info on NOS !

the fact someone asks for info on nos, gets good info then a bitch fight commences is shit. then the need for post whores to jump on the band waggon fuck sake !

i agree that factual information is better than one sided opinions!

especialy when facts are coming from experienced users.

mods get this cleaned up.

[Chaos]

Was it the bits with information or the bits with people like stevetigger just being a tosser?

Find out who somebody is before calling them a Tosser.

You were being a tosser, what else would i need to find out about you before saying that you were doing so?
Surely the only qualification one needs in order to be fairly accused of being a tosser, is them having just acted like one?

thats funny as fcuk.
game over - steve loses.

[bootyman]

I really cant believe you lot are still carrying on with this. This thread was just a simple question about whether a Noz set up can be run on a E30 and we now have 6 pages af abuse

At the end of the day, there is more than one way to get to any location, so can you lot just beg to differ and lets get back on track?

[chip-3door]

I really cant believe you lot are still carrying on with this. This thread was just a simple question about whether a Noz set up can be run on a E30 and we now have 6 pages af abuse

At the end of the day, there is more than one way to get to any location, so can you lot just beg to differ and lets get back on track?

Differing would be cool if it was based on any sort of technical reason rather than people just arguing for the sake of it with no knowledge of what they are aguring about.

[bigkev]

then the need for post whores to jump on the band waggon fuck sake !

whats a post whore?











oops!!!
BYE!!

[Kos]

dont be so politically correct and say "people" when what you meant was "that idiot Kos"

i chose to ignore this thred but now you choose to call me an idiot so i'm back
why am i an idiot,
because i have an opinion you dissagree with??

your just be a nob jockey for not even seeing my point of view, others can.
fact is fact, if NOS was so shit why do people use their kits INCLUDING TOP RACERS. and thousands of "street racers" and drag strip addicts
i never said it was better than WoN which you love so much, and which I ALSO USE. you say you have have proof that they are crap and state you reasons, but nothing is conclusive, its your OWN findings but thats fine, however i have an oppinion too, respect it. if you dont want to do not make condisending remarks.

the comparison i'd make is the following for NOS and WoN: garret turbos againt holset turbos, each does the job, both have a very good name some people prefer one to anothe for different applications
a more suitable comparison to macdonalds for a "nice meal" and fiesta vs maclaren for a track day car i think

all i'm trying to do is defend a company based on my experiences, and from what i've heared, a company which is a very reputable company and has been for many many years.
why you chose to say what you do i'm not sure, but it YOU OPINION, which differs to mine which you think it is unjustified.

[bootyman]

This thread is starting to get out of hand now. I really want a Noz set-up, but so far i've read more insults in this thread than actual facts. Like Kos say's, i'm sure both systyems are good, but different people have their prefrence for different reasons. To start personally attacking individuals and calling them names is very immature and has no place on a nice friendly forum like this, so give it a rest and lets get back to topic please guys. If you want to keep slagging each other off, then use the PM button so the rest of us can carry on trying to find out what a decent Noz system for the E30 is

[Kos]

thank you for seeing where i am comming from!!

WoN are very good and i'd recomend them, but for impact and looks which is what your car is all about a NOS kit might be up your street, just for the impact of it, everyone knows NOS!!! you wouldnt use it that much so you wouldn't need to worry about the "reliability" concerns.

[bootyman]

I doubt i'd use it at all. I want something i can boeast about, to say is there, but i never cain my car so it wont hardly ever be used. Like you said, it has to be something that goes with the rest of my bling engine bay though

[Kos]

every one knows of NOS from that lovely informative fim F&F!!!
YOU NEED NOS!!!!!

let me guess, you'd like big blue bottles, braided hoses, everything fully exposed, big red flick switch and with a brand name which every one recognises!!

[bootyman]

My engine is already braided so i'd like something similar on anything that goes in there

[Kos]

have a look, billet bottle mounts, remotr bottle openers etc
NOS
www.holley.com

WoN
www.wizardsofnos.com

NX
www.nitrousexpress.com

ZEX
www.zex.com

[bootyman]

No time to fluff around. I will dedicate that task to you dude, then you can tell everyone you helped build the booty wagon

[Kos]

decide on what you are doing with your engine, then give me a shout. just tell me hou many bottles and what gadgets yoy want!!!!
remote bottle opener, purge kit, etc and i'll be happy to help

[Ant]

aaaaaaaaaaah back on topic now I see

can it remain so fellas ? its up to you

any further slanging can be done via the PM function, lets keep the boards a "friendly" place