Chrome bumper 325i

[bss325i]

Then my apologies for not describing the original service book in the appropriate terminology. I've never seen one, you see

To bring this closer to a topic - I will admit to being clueless as to what E30s are selling for at the moment in the UK (Polish prices differ quite a bit). So what are the brackets these days? Can you get any form of 325i for less than a grand, or are those days long gone? And have cream puff Sports entered the 5-figure price band yet?

You will be lucky to get an mot'd 325i of any description now for less than a grand.

Nice 325i's that don't need a weldathon that are sub 100k miles commad decent money

The best sports hit 5 figures years ago.

[hennared323i]

Grrrr machine u been owned bruv!
Admit it!
And your a mod

Pony you are diffrent gravy.

Fifty shades of gravy.

That made me spit my dinner out

[gooner1]

I'm getting confused.
Is Barry grrring at Grrr,or is Grrr grrring at Barry

[bss325i]

[Kos]

I'm getting confused.
Is Barry grrring at Grrr,or is Grrr grrring at Barry

Pony has a Gurn

[minesapint]

It might work out cheaper to invent a time machine go back to 1986 buy one new, store it carefully then come back and open the garage doors and hey presto a mint under 100 miles chrome 325i

Bugger no service history though, hmmmmmmm

Why does a car need service history if it's not been run but stored properly.

Because things perish and corrode whether the car's in use or not. Just because the car's been stored in a dry garage with the weight off the axles won't prevent the waxes drying out or the bushes crumbling or all sorts of other things going brittle. This is why cars need a paper trail, no matter what their age or mileage is.

There will be many BM's with corrosion & dry wax with a perfectly stamped book, crumbling bushes are picked up at MOT time along with many other things. Not having the car serviced at a BM garage doesn't mean the car is not perfectly maintained, in fact a good competent home mechanic working on his 28 yr old pride & joy will have a car better maintained than taking it for oil changes to BM. But his book won't be stamped.
The good home mechanic (of which there will be many on this forum) is looking for defects daily & sorting them as they appear, his book won't be stamped. I'm not saying a stamped book is not a good thing, but it is not the "be all & end all".
Surely if a buyer goes to view an E30, apart from thoroughly checking & inspecting the car, he is also checking-out the owner, his garage set-up, home, garden, wife, children etc & forming an opinion of the honesty, competency, cleanliness etc. 8/10 car adverts show only the shiny exterior of the vehicle for sale, rarely are there numerous detailed photos of the engine & interior compartments.
I would bet a fair assessment of the state of an engine compartment & car interior, could be made without even viewing the car, but by looking at the persons home, garage & garden.
In my job as an engineering inspector, I found I could form a pretty quick opinion of an engineer by looking at his workshop set-up, his equipment & tool kit, messing facilities & paperwork systems. I was rarely wrong.
Too may people are fixated by stamped books, mainly because they have no other experience or knowledge to make a sound judgement by.
Discuss.
Cheers

[87mtech27]

Not a chromie, however this tech 1 was mint IMO

http://odaviscars.com/stockdetails.asp?stockid=5603

[bss325i]

Well on that basis, as i've said many a time people who know what they are looking at will know if mileage is likely to be genuine without the need to check paper work or stamped books.

But in my job, the original service book is important when it comes to selling a sought after car.

At Munich legends, we wouldnt even entertain selling a car without it.

The buyers want to see a book with stamps, not an empty one or one thats been hand written. That's just the way it is.

[bmandy68]

That tech1 was a bargin for 10k.

[bmandy68]

That tech1 was a bargin for 10k.

[87mtech27]

In hindsight it definitely was, at the time I thought they was on crack

[bss325i]

And you could throw £20k restoring a high mileage rusty one and it would never be the same.

[87mtech27]

I hear that Barry, the fact the car is exactly as it came from the factory, with all original parts and panels that it had when new is something else, it would be like one went back in time.

Panel built from single sheet of steel pressed into shape not multiple pieces patched together to make one panel and those panels welded within nanometres by industrial robots to make it into a shell, all this topped off with factory coat and paint can't be replicated. A car is original once!!! with no filler in sight

Very few of these minters are left as most went onto full fill there purpose that is to be driven and enjoyed rather than being parked up in a garage as soon as they left the factory.

Nothing wrong with cars being fully restored and i'm all for it however the restoration truly depends on the welder's skills and budget of the owner so it will be "like new".

I'll be restoring mine one day when funds allow so not taking a dig at anyone and once all is said and done I would have spent more than the car will be worth however I don't see it as an investment and don't expect my money back... I'll keep till I or it dies!!!

Really don't see why everyone is hung up on what their cars are worth as if one is buying them for investment then there are many way better investment opportunities, infact our turds are still not worth what they was when new once inflation is taken into consideration.

Cars are money pits nothing else

[polsta]

Barry you do constantly go on and on about patched up turds

But 2 scenarios - let's say someone right now/anytime in last 2 years, wants to buy a tech 1 , its just near impossible to buy a nice complete original never welded mint example that has full history, low or med or even high milage, genuine or not, that doesn't need work, stripping, welding/resto work, they all need work or have had it done, your only option really , is to get one do the work (which for some people is a lot of the fun,hobby,joy,ptoject,,and satisfaction) Or you'l be waiting forever, or having big money and a hell of a wait

How many low milage top dollar low owner mint pristine blah blah 316,318,320i, m3,cabbys, do the likes of Munich,4star, old colonel, etc list and sell ? there is never, let alone 1 or 2, tech 1s , or even tech 2s, sold or listed by them, maybe just the odd 1 a year or something between them, your talking a big wait, big money, and a lot of luck

You can spend 5-7k on a sport that needs work and has had work

There just isn't the cars around to buy in sport form mint low milage and owner blah blah

Scenario 2 -

If someone wanted to buy a 2 door 325i chromie 2 door now ..

To get a mint low-mid milage nice un molested ,FSH, full history every mot, lovely want for nothing type car, you will have a long wait, have to do lots of viewing miles, and pay 3-5k range privately, or get very very lucky , or go to Munich etc and pay £5995-7995 or something , IF they had such a car

Or, you could go out (which is most zoner typr territory) and look in the £1500-3k type range and have to weigh up - either nice history FSH etc with signs of rust and work/tidying/paint /wheel refurb , or possibly a higher milage/owner patchy history but quite nice drive enjoy condition , or some sort of mix and pros/cons and find some sort of budget suiting Middle ground to play in

A vast percentage of e30, and a lot of modern classic type buyers and forum goers are not out to just get and spend the top money, to buy top imaculate examples , of course they'd like to or aim to get lucky on a lucky find, but they just aim for mid range mid priced examples they can drive enjoy and improve and fix up and have fun with and enjoy ownership , the want the fun and car to enjoy owning and driving and not break the bank for the best example around that's for a collector not them

Whilst the smaller richer big money collector type percentage who wouldn't be on things like the e30 zone , faff about spending the top money for top examples they don't drive or probably look at much , we'd all like to be spending 30k on m3s, 15k sports, 8k cabbys, but we're not , we patch up turds and have projects buy trade hunt parts and morsels and meet up do work drink tea chat cars eat biscuits and take on various projects of various depth ,meet at shows and enjoy that fix her up moden Classic scene , that's what people like to do

[Mitchen]

Surely no one buys these cars as an investment!

When you think about the money you put in, not only on restoration or maintenance parts but general servicing.. and then when you price your car at 3k or more, everyone's up in arms about how steep it is.

[polsta]

[quote="bss325i"]And you could throw £20k restoring a high mileage rusty one and it would never be the same.[/quote

But spending 20k, hundreds of man hours and hours with mates drinking tea fixing, enjoying car at different stages, trips to bmw, mechanics, body shop,hunting ebay and forums for parts, and building and saving that car, fitting parts, seeing it completed one day, many hours of love blood sweat tears jokes laughs, "yesss" moments and man garage tinkering time, then out in the glorious sun enjoying the car... When you look at your car once it's done and you've saved and done it , the smiles and memories mean a lot more than milage and originality of a car you've simply just purchased, can provide

Is massive fun and satisfaction and enjoyment , that simply can not be had or experienced if you go out and spend 20k on a mint original car, yes it will be worth more and more original, but you wouldn't feel connected to it or appriciated/love it in the same way or had even 10|% of the fun

[Carmo13]

And you could throw £20k restoring a high mileage rusty one and it would never be the same.[/quote

But spending 20k, hundreds of man hours and hours with mates drinking tea fixing, enjoying car at different stages, trips to bmw, mechanics, body shop,hunting ebay and forums for parts, and building and saving that car, fitting parts, seeing it completed one day, many hours of love blood sweat tears jokes laughs, "yesss" moments and man garage tinkering time, then out in the glorious sun enjoying the car... When you look at your car once it's done and you've saved and done it , the smiles and memories mean a lot more than milage and originality of a car you've simply just purchased, can provide

Is massive fun and satisfaction and enjoyment , that simply can not be had or experienced if you go out and spend 20k on a mint original car, yes it will be worth more and more original, but you wouldn't feel connected to it or appriciated/love it in the same way or had even 10|% of the fun

Amen to that!

[pony]

That tech1 was a bargin for 10k.

Most certainly was

Hard to find another

[pony]

Well on that basis, as i've said many a time people who know what they are looking at will know if mileage is likely to be genuine without the need to check paper work or stamped books.

But in my job, the original service book is important when it comes to selling a sought after car.

At Munich legends, we wouldnt even entertain selling a car without it.

The buyers want to see a book with stamps, not an empty one or one thats been hand written. That's just the way it is.

The only thing to be wary of is fake service booklets made by unscrupulous types to match clocked cars


As for original Sports or any E30
All very well finding one is difficult. Also depends what purpose is used for.

Having had mine now for some years I got the following advice to any punters:
- get pre-purchase inspection before buying or take someone that knows these cars
- buy the best you can afford as really unless you are handy with spanners does get expensive buying lots of parts and paying someone to do the work
- original car is best but if you want to rag it everywhere nothing wrong with something slightly more rough round the edges

I have spent quite a bit on mine and even now has a few mechanical issues which hopefully are straightforward to sort out

[pony]

As for e30s either pay the price of nice original or spend even more restoring one
To be honest original cars are actually bargains in some sense when you factor in restoration costs

[andyp]

Well on that basis, as i've said many a time people who know what they are looking at will know if mileage is likely to be genuine without the need to check paper work or stamped books.

But in my job, the original service book is important when it comes to selling a sought after car.

At Munich legends, we wouldnt even entertain selling a car without it.

The buyers want to see a book with stamps, not an empty one or one thats been hand written. That's just the way it is.

The only thing to be wary of is fake service booklets made by unscrupulous types to match clocked cars


As for original Sports or any E30
All very well finding one is difficult. Also depends what purpose is used for.

Having had mine now for some years I got the following advice to any punters:
- get pre-purchase inspection before buying or take someone that knows these cars
- buy the best you can afford as really unless you are handy with spanners does get expensive buying lots of parts and paying someone to do the work
- original car is best but if you want to rag it everywhere nothing wrong with something slightly more rough round the edges

I have spent quite a bit of time DRIFTING in mine and even now has a few mechanical issues which hopefully are straightforward to sort out

.

[bss325i]

Polsta, quit your droning noise!

I have never said there is anything wrong with restorations, I'm all for them and if all goes to plan this year I will be embarking on a full on resto of my own.

The simple point I've always tried to make which some people can't get their head around is that all this talk of "as good as new" or "back to factory showroom condition etc" is utter nonsense!

The moment ANY car sees welding or filler it will NEVER be as good as new.

How can you not understand that?!

Jeez, no wonder you're just a hi vis clad security type!

And P-LEASE don't try to lecture me on the classic car scene and the current maket!

I've been going to zone meets and buying and selling E30's and cars in general LONG before you even passed your test chump.

[Brianmoooore]

Polsta, quit your droning noise!


Jeez, no wonder you're just a hi vis clad security type!

And P-LEASE don't try to lecture me on the classic car scene and the current maket!

I've been going to zone meets and buying and selling E30's and cars in general LONG before you even passed your test chump.

That's getting VERY close to what I consider a personal attack, Barry! Be very careful.

[pony]

Brian what u going to do about changing the name under my profile ?
Fucking disgrace!

[polsta]

Polsta, quit your droning noise!

I have never said there is anything wrong with restorations, I'm all for them and if all goes to plan this year I will be embarking on a full on resto of my own.

The simple point I've always tried to make which some people can't get their head around is that all this talk of "as good as new" or "back to factory showroom condition etc" is utter nonsense!

The moment ANY car sees welding or filler it will NEVER be as good as new.

How can you not understand that?!

Jeez, no wonder you're just a hi vis clad security type!

And P-LEASE don't try to lecture me on the classic car scene and the current maket!

I've been going to zone meets and buying and selling E30's and cars in general LONG before you even passed your test chump.

Your the one who drones on but can't see it, everyone knows original nice cars are worth more and all the rest of it , that's all you harp on about

No need to try put people down all the time and think your some sort of cut above , everyone knows you been around e30s a long time who cares, it's your attitude towards others that lets you down and brings this place down

Like I said in my post above , there just isn't a suppy of mint low milage original sports

Let people get on with it and talking about them on here,and you worry about your originsl cars , coz the fact is there is far more people on here that like to and enjoy their projects and restos than uppity think im better than you types who live on here to put people and their cars and views down

[bss325i]

Zzzzzzz

Bore off Polsta.

No body likes you on this forum or most of the people that have met you.

I made a basic point and YOU have blown it way out of proportion!

You are making out like I don't like non original cars or project!

My own car is far from origial and ive had plenty of projects so you can stick that one.....

[bss325i]

Polsta, quit your droning noise!


Jeez, no wonder you're just a hi vis clad security type!

And P-LEASE don't try to lecture me on the classic car scene and the current maket!

I've been going to zone meets and buying and selling E30's and cars in general LONG before you even passed your test chump.

That's getting VERY close to what I consider a personal attack, Barry! Be very careful.

Duly noted.

[Kos]

Zzzzzzz

Bore off Polsta.

No body likes you on this forum or most of the people that have met you.

I made a basic point and YOU have blown it way out of proportion!

You are making out like I don't like non original cars or project!

My own car is far from origial and ive had plenty of projects so you can stick that one.....

That's harsh, Polsta is ok by me.

Are you trying to make friends

[Kos]

Brian's on the case and I'm eating popcorn, original un restored popcorn with stamped up service book

[Gavla]

I have been following this thread with interest...

I think the different opinions are very interesting but it seems to boil down to one simple thing...why are you spending your hard earned money to buy an e30 in the first place...to restore it, to drive, as an investment...

Personally the only E30 I would pay money for as an investment would be the M3, spending 10k on an original perfect condition low mileage sport that I would never use in order for it to hopefully increase in value and then eventually sell for a few grand more than I bought it for is a complete waste of time and money IMO... but each to their own...

I love my e30 because in terms of value for money (running costs another story...) there is no better daily driver I would rather have...

[bss325i]

There are people who just want a nice original car to use and do not have the time or inclination to restore a rough one.

Not every one who buys the expensive ones does so in the hope of it being an appreciating asset.

FAR to much pigeon holing going on in this thread.