e30 on nos?

[chip-3door]

i'm gone, the tread was who has fitted, recomedations etc not your technical ongoings.
or how does it work
if you had any sence you would recomend fitting more than 50 to a street car

I assume you mean wouldnt?

No, if i had your limited understand i wouldnt recomend it, for me its perfectly reasonable to fit 50-100% gains in power nitrous kits, ive been doing it for years and years now, hence im one of the most respected people in this country on the subject of nitrous and you arent to be very blunt!

you arrogant
they guy i learnt off has been doing nitrous for about 25+years and is very well known in the drag racing scene, the difference with me and you is i dont bore people like you do, and constantly plug one company.
so you thing it sensible and reasonable to fit 150 hp progresivly controlled kit to a 325i??
that will be more unreliable in the long run over 50 with a direct hit, no mater who the kit is made by be it NOS WoN or NX
i say it how it is, how it works drawbacks and merits of it all.


laters

Wasnt being arrogant, i was being blunt.

You keep saying you say it "merits and all" and yet you STILL havent actually come up with one single merit, you dont do anything of the sort, you dont understand anything much about nitrous and are just trying to remember secondhand info, where as im talking about something i know a lot about.

Just to give an example of what i mean about being one of the most respected people in the country with regards to nitrous use on road cars, Rod Tarry has what i believe (based on the 206mph he got at TV2005 last year) to be fastest nitrous daily use road car in this country, have a look at this thread how he refers to me:

Chip is the real expert on here im just good at picking his brains.

http://www.passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=165598

(same guy who was on 5th gear recently with his sierra and who has won the RWD section of TOTB)


Its something i know A LOT about, and ive never been on a forum before where i get so abused for having the decency to share my knowledge!


And going back to your example, YES a 150bhp progressive nitrous kit from WoN set up by me would be less likely to damage your pistons in a 325i than a NOS fixed hit kit installed by you, as it would have LESS of an initial shock load at low RPM than the 50bhp kit, and thats where the damage tends to occur!

Also the WON kit wont turn itself into a Dry kit and leak nitrous with no fuel into the engine like the yank wank ones have a tendancy to do!

[MD]

ah hello chip,

bit unfair to say that you have "never been on a forum before where i get so abused for having the decency to share my knowledge"
remember CSW lol,

not having a go at you but every site i have been on that i have seen you post on your replys seem to be very arrogant and one track minded,
this is not a typical boy racer website ive noticed as it takes more of a driver to own such a car as a bmw as even the 1.6 versions are high insurance for young drivers,
not a website where you can just tell people your knowledge and expect them to listen like school children,

sorry, im not trying to peosonally offend, but its just what i have seen,

[chip-3door]

ah hello chip,

bit unfair to say that you have "never been on a forum before where i get so abused for having the decency to share my knowledge"
remember CSW lol,

not having a go at you but every site i have been on that i have seen you post on your replys seem to be very arrogant and one track minded,
this is not a typical boy racer website ive noticed as it takes more of a driver to own such a car as a bmw as even the 1.6 versions are high insurance for young drivers,
not a website where you can just tell people your knowledge and expect them to listen like school children,

sorry, im not trying to peosonally offend, but its just what i have seen,

CSW?
what are you on about? Ive never had any abuse on there!
Got a link?

Thats just a silly cruise site anyway TBH mate, but most people on there are always very pleased to here from me on anything technical normally.
Go and have a read if you are confused over that!



I have a very firm posting style, unless im positive about things i dont post them, i dont think people should be putting half truths and guesses on the internet, so unless i know its correct i dont post things, consequently i always have the attitude that im always right on what i do post, that doesnt mean i think im always right on everything, just that i dont post on subjects i dont know about.

If people like Rod are happy to take advice from me, with 40K plus invested in modifying his car, then i'd say that counts for something, i certainly doubt that anyone else on this forum can say the same thing on the subject of nitrous.

Thats not arrogance, its just the way things are, i know a lot about a couple of subjects, turbos, nitrous, mapping, engine building, and bugger all about much else mate, so i stick to the things i know!

If you can name one forum i post on that i dont get respect from the serious nitrous users, its one more than i can ;)

[MD]

the people that i speak to have hardly any respect for you, that it because they do proper motorsport so cant use nitrous.

[chip-3door]

the people that i speak to have hardly any respect for you, that it because they do proper motorsport so cant use nitrous.

And thats relevent to the question about "serious nitrous users" in which way in particular?

Lots of people view nitrous as "cheating", i can understand why as it certainly makes massive gains very easy.

Wouldnt ever argue otherwise for motorsport use (well other than drag racing!), but on the road, its fair game IMHO

I dont just make power with nitrous anyway though mate, click here:

http://www.passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153485

for the engine im building at the moment, as you can see, its as serious as anything anyone uses in most forms of motorsport based on road going car engines.

[MD]

sorry this seems to be getting a little off topic,

dont doubt your engine knowledge at all chip, and im sure you know more than i do in your particular field of engine tuning, and if i had the cash like you id have built an awsome spec engine by now,

i would like to try a shot of nitrous in my beemer when i get one as i regard it as a strong engine that can take maybe a 50bhp shot safely,
but id never even concider using it for any sort of motorsport as i am one of those people you talk about who regards it as cheating,

[chip-3door]

sorry this seems to be getting a little off topic,

dont doubt your engine knowledge at all chip, and im sure you know more than i do in your particular field of engine tuning, and if i had the cash like you id have built an awsome spec engine by now,

i would like to try a shot of nitrous in my beemer when i get one as i regard it as a strong engine that can take maybe a 50bhp shot safely,
but id never even concider using it for any sort of motorsport as i am one of those people you talk about who regards it as cheating,

Fair enough, im one of those people too in many ways.

I never had it on my trackday mini for example.

But for the buzz on a straight line sprint in a road car, or for fun at a drag day, nitrous is king really.



My own view is that nitrous is a TERRIBLE way to make a slow car into a fast car, its FAR too fucking expensive to keep filling the bottle and it runs out too soon.
But for making a fast car utterly mental for a few seconds, its fantastic.

Robs astra was a perfect example of that, was quick anyway without the gas, low 13s for certain, then on gas it was potentially a 12 flat car on the right day.


Like anything, its a case of using it in the right context i think.

Wont be fitting it to the 325 we have for example, would be pointless at the ring!

[OllieB]

Chip, can I just say, I don't think anyone is doubting your knowledge on the subject (I'm certainly not) but I reckon the slightly strained atmosphere of this thread has spoilt it. It would be nice if this thread could maybe be cleaned up by a mod, or preferably re-written by you and made a sticky as it certainly contains a lot of pertinent info for anyone thinking of going down this route with their E30.


Ollie

[chip-3door]

Ollie, best thing anyone interested in nitrous can do is start a new thread i guess, fingers crossed Kos will decide not to keep chirping in pointless opinions with no facts next time and we can keep it more useful.

Its a fantastically effective way of tuning, and certainly something every petrol head should try at least once!

[Kos]

Ollie, best thing anyone interested in nitrous can do is start a new thread i guess, fingers crossed Kos will decide not to keep chirping in pointless opinions with no facts next time and we can keep it more useful

i have valid input to a thred like this having used nitrous on many bmw's and i WILL speak if i feel i need to, its not just you how "knows" about nitrous

Its a fantastically effective way of tuning, and certainly something every petrol head should try at least once!

and i agree, but your one track mind to say every other kit bar WoN is shit is pointless

[chip-3door]

Ollie, best thing anyone interested in nitrous can do is start a new thread i guess, fingers crossed Kos will decide not to keep chirping in pointless opinions with no facts next time and we can keep it more useful

i have valid input to a thred like this having used nitrous on many bmw's and i WILL speak if i feel i need to, its not just you how "knows" about nitrous

Its a fantastically effective way of tuning, and certainly something every petrol head should try at least once!

and i agree, but your one track mind to say every other kit bar WoN is shit is pointless

I dont have a one track mind, its just that the WoN kit is head and shoulders above all the others, epseically for a road car!
all im doing is telling the truth.

If i said "the NOS kit is a perfectly valid alternative with no performance or reliability penalties" i would be lieing, but i somehow think thats the only think i could say to make you happy for some reason, you seem to be obsessively clinging onto this notion the kits are comparable depsite having no evidence at all from a technical point of view as to why they might be!


you STILL havent given one single example of the "merits" of a NOS/NX system.

It would be FANTASTIC for you to have some useful input into the post based on your experience, but since the subject of other make kits come up every single post you have made has simply been a rephrased version of "well they must be good lots of people use them" with utterly NO substance to any post.

The stupid thing is, that you yourself choose a WoN kit anyway, surely you must have had some basis for this or was it just good luck?

[Kos]

Ollie, best thing anyone interested in nitrous can do is start a new thread i guess, fingers crossed Kos will decide not to keep chirping in pointless opinions with no facts next time and we can keep it more useful

i have valid input to a thred like this having used nitrous on many bmw's and i WILL speak if i feel i need to, its not just you how "knows" about nitrous

Its a fantastically effective way of tuning, and certainly something every petrol head should try at least once!

and i agree, but your one track mind to say every other kit bar WoN is shit is pointless

I dont have a one track mind, its just that the WoN kit is head and shoulders above all the others, epseically for a road car!

you STILL havent given one single example of the "merits" of a NOS/NX system.

It would be FANTASTIC for you to have some useful input into the post based on your experience, but since the subject of other make kits come up every single post you have made has simply been a rephrased version of "well they must be good lots of people use them" with utterly NO substance to any post.

The stupid thing is, that you yourself choose a WoN kit anyway, surely you must have had some basis for this or was it just good luck?

as said from the start, i would use a WoN kit, because it was designed for cars available in the uk, not big yank V8's, for which th NOS its were designed for, the are both good, but i will always use WoN, but i will ot slate another company for no reason.

can you tell me whay andy robinson racing uses NOS products??

or is he just stupid aswell

[chip-3door]

as said from the start, i would use a WoN kit, because it was designed

indeed, thats the difference, it was actually designed at all, never mind what for, the NOS kit is just parts bolted together there is not a system design with attention paid to phase change etc, its just a load of parts which each work to varying extents all bolted together and found to work.

for cars available in the uk, not big yank V8's, for which th NOS its were designed for, the are both good,

that bit of the sentance wasnt accurate so i seperated it off

but i will always use WoN, but i will ot slate another company for no reason.

Me neither, i make all the comments i have based on VERY good reasons which i have thoroughly documented and even given pretty pictures of!

Utterly no "slating with no reason" going on from me

can you tell me whay andy robinson racing uses NOS products??

or is he just stupid aswell

I would imagine the main reasons are:

thats whats easily available for V8 yank motors which as far as im aware they mainly deal with

Its what many of their customers expect cause of all the advertising we discussed earlier etc

Because they have used it before on drag cars and what they feel are good results from it

The profit margins are fantastic on the yank kits compared to the UK ones for most dealers, wizards of nos offer very small trade disocunt compared to many of the american companies.


Like i mentioned earlier though, the difference on a Drag car isnt a great as on a warm spec road car.

Huge V8s and masses of grip means that its not quite so vital to get the gas delivery right, providing you deliver a lot of it!

[Kos]

can you tell me whay andy robinson racing uses NOS products??

or is he just stupid aswell

I would imagine the main reasons are:

thats whats easily available for V8 yank motors which as far as im aware they mainly deal with

Its what many of their customers expect cause of all the advertising we discussed earlier etc

Because they have used it before on drag cars and what they feel are good results from it

The profit margins are fantastic on the yank kits compared to the UK ones for most dealers, wizards of nos offer very small trade disocunt compared to many of the american companies.


Like i mentioned earlier though, the difference on a Drag car isnt a great as on a warm spec road car.

Huge V8s and masses of grip means that its not quite so vital to get the gas delivery right, providing you deliver a lot of it!

so they are good for something which is the point i am making, even if it is profit

[chip-3door]

so they are good for something which is the point i am making, even if it is profit

So are pyramid schemes, but i wont be recomending them to anyone on a forum either

[Kos]

so they are good for something which is the point i am making, even if it is profit

So are pyramid schemes, but i wont be recomending them to anyone on a forum either

that mean you agree??

have i won this discussion!?!?

[chip-3door]

so they are good for something which is the point i am making, even if it is profit

So are pyramid schemes, but i wont be recomending them to anyone on a forum either

that mean you agree??

have i won this discussion!?!?

If it matters to you mate you can win what you want, im just hear to give good accurate technical advice, i couldnt give a shit about arguing with strangers on the internet or who wins.

[Kos]

So are pyramid schemes, but i wont be recomending them to anyone on a forum either

that mean you agree??

have i won this discussion!?!?

If it matters to you mate you can win what you want, im just hear to give good accurate technical advice, i couldnt give a shit about arguing with strangers on the internet or who wins.

well my point was that NOS kit have their merits, and you agreed in principal because andy robinson uses them, and if they were that shit, why would the UK's leading experts in building drag racers use a shit product?? us you said, they have good results from them

and i've seen good results from them as i've seen very good results from WoN

[chip-3door]

that mean you agree??

have i won this discussion!?!?

If it matters to you mate you can win what you want, im just hear to give good accurate technical advice, i couldnt give a shit about arguing with strangers on the internet or who wins.

well my point was that NOS kit have their merits, and you agreed in principal because andy robinson uses them, and if they were that shit, why would the UK's leading experts in building drag racers use a shit product?? us you said, they have good results from them

and i've seen good results from them as i've seen very good results from WoN

Im sure he believes he is getting good results from the kits as he hasnt tried anything else.

My friend Rod with the sierra was quite happy being the fastest cossie in the world and being able to do 0mph-206mph-0mph in less than 2 miles, he was convinced his wizards of nos kit was fine.
Ive spent 3 years telling him it wasnt and that he needed to use a subtley different system.

He switched a few weeks ago and has never looked back since

Maybe one day your friend mr robinson will have a similar revelation when he uses a decent smooth nitrous system, maybe he wont.

Still doesnt mean the kits have any technical merits compared to a WoN kit though in my personal view, and im still waiting for you or anyone else to supply me with evidence im wrong on that TBH.

But like i said, if you want to go around saying you won an argument on the internet, i would hate to take away form you that epic victory from such an important battle, your mum will be very proud of her brave little soldier


They will probably even make a film about you!

[Kos]

[quote="chip-3door"]

Maybe one day your friend mr robinson will have a similar revelation when he uses a decent smooth nitrous system, maybe he wont.

quote]

not my friend, just stating fact!!
never told you who my mates are

to be honest it you who wants to "win" i was making a joke about it, now i've made my point, expressed my views and i'm leaving it

[chip-3door]

Maybe one day your friend mr robinson will have a similar revelation when he uses a decent smooth nitrous system, maybe he wont.

not my friend, just stating fact!!
never told you who my mates are

to be honest it you who wants to "win" i was making a joke about it, now i've made my point, expressed my views and i'm leaving it

First you want to win, now you want me to?
Make your mind up

Either way makes no difference to me!

[Kos]

Maybe one day your friend mr robinson will have a similar revelation when he uses a decent smooth nitrous system, maybe he wont.

not my friend, just stating fact!!
never told you who my mates are

to be honest it you who wants to "win" i was making a joke about it, now i've made my point, expressed my views and i'm leaving it

First you want to win, now you want me to?
Make your mind up


Either way makes no difference to me!

gone

[stevetigger]

I love Chip, Key"bored" Conan

im with laffter

[chip-3door]

I love Chip, Key"bored" Conan

im with laffter

Well if this thread has been able to entertain as well as educate then thats just fantastic

[stevetigger]

It has done that, that picture is now my background and screen saver


Bloody hell, I cant stop laughing

[bootyman]

So after 5 pages with of hearing about super duppa darg racing and all that crap, what actually is a good Noz set up for us mere mortals with our mere mortal E30's cause i still dont know? If i do go for the E36 M3 engine, i'd like a 100bhp shot of Noz on top. It probably wont ever get used as i'm not the type for caining my car, but it's good for bragging rights and a good figure on top of the m3bhp figures for any mag feature

[chip-3door]

So after 5 pages with of hearing about super duppa darg racing and all that crap, what actually is a good Noz set up for us mere mortals with our mere mortal E30's cause i still dont know? If i do go for the E36 M3 engine, i'd like a 100bhp shot of Noz on top. It probably wont ever get used as i'm not the type for caining my car, but it's good for bragging rights and a good figure on top of the m3bhp figures for any mag feature

You want a wizards of nos streetblaster 100i 6 port kit and a maximiser progressive controller
And you need for the car NOT to be chipped.

[bootyman]

That's that out of the windowthen cause i have a chip

[chip-3door]

That's that out of the windowthen cause i have a chip

If the car is Chipped its still possible to use nitrous, but you need to be much more careful and you wont get away with using as much so i cant guarentee you can use as much as 100bhp even on a controller.

[bootyman]

I'll save my money for some whoes then. Ԛ£600 = Plenty sucky, sucky where i am

[chip-3door]

I'll save my money for some whoes then. Ԛ£600 = Plenty sucky, sucky where i am

LOL

[zimmerman]

finally go tto the end of the thread.

fcuking cracking up laughing at some of the comments

Chip thats a good and well informed discussion which is more than what i can say for Kos or SteveTigger who sounds like Kos's girlfriend

[Kos]

finally go tto the end of the thread.

fcuking cracking up laughing at some of the comments

Chip thats a good and well informed discussion which is more than what i can say for Kos or SteveTigger who sounds like Kos's girlfriend

what part was well informed, the fatc he thinks every nitrous kit BAR WoN is shit?? i'd still recomednd my self that kit, thats the funny thing about it!!

grow up with the silly inflametry comments about me or anyone else

[stevetigger]

finally go tto the end of the thread.

fcuking cracking up laughing at some of the comments

Chip thats a good and well informed discussion which is more than what i can say for Kos or SteveTigger who sounds like Kos's girlfriend

Shut it zimmerframe

[maxfield]