Ched Evans

[Kos]

Seriously why is there so much pressure to stop him from playing as a professional footballer again

He served his time so he should be allowed to resume his work

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30563782

[gooner1]

It's all about jealousy over his perceived earnings.
If he was a Postman this wouldn't be an issue, and before any one starts banging on about role models,any parent
who thinks footballers are, or should be a role model needs to get a reality check.

[scallyally]

The keyword here is 'professional' and anyone in a professional occupation would be banned from their job i.e Doctor,Policeman, Teacher, Vicar, politician, dentist etc etc if convicted of rape. The term 'role model' is overused when applied to footballers.

Ched Evans should look elsewhere for employment. (Any ideas...)

[bab-91]

He is a proven scorer

Yes, we know. He served two years for scoring.

[DanThe]

IMO people in high profile careers should be made an example of, not given 2nd chances.
As the above comment, you wont be seeing rolf harris (for example) back on the telly

[DanThe]

Just out of interest Kos, if you were convicted of rape and served a jail sentence would you get your job back?

[gooner1]

Define "professional" Would a Darts player be banned, or an Actor
Besides Ched Evans has not been banned from playing football.
Clubs have exercised their right not to employ him, which is a totally different thing.

[Kos]

There are 3 things that keep getting said in the media

1- role model.

He didn't make himself a role model. Others did and as mr gooner said, anyone who sees footballers as role models needs a reality check

2- money

He can make more money in other professions

3- no remorse and no apology

Regardless of how you interpret that, he has served his time. Looking at the case, in another day and another time it would not have even made it to court



Dan, In my job role I must clear a CRC, but that's due to me having access to service areas of airports and access to secure data. This is all in my job contract

If he was a professional in any other field bar a few (for example working with children) no one would bat an eyelid

Yes employers are exercising their right to not offer him a job, but the pressure being put on them is laughable. Clubs want to employ him but won't because of all the pressure.

[DanThe]

That has always been the case di

[Simon13]

Just stop and think for once Kos, what rape actually is.

No one likes sex offenders least of all a footballer found guilty who still thinks hes innocent! And thats the sort of arsehole who deserves a 2nd chance? Or a f**kin good hiding.

If i was a chairman or manager i'd never sign him out of the morals of it. In another light would you work with a rapist? I wouldn't, i'd not been seen dead working with one. Somethings can't be forgave and rape is one of them.

[DanThe]

Ability to score goals is more important it seems

[TPS]

Ability to score goals is more important it seems

Especially at Hartlepool United, bottom of the league. I would have more symapthy towards him, if he just showed some remorse, for his actions.

[gooner1]

Ability to score goals is more important it seems

Especially at Hartlepool United, bottom of the league. I would have more symapthy towards him, if he just showed some remorse, for his actions.

Would be pretty pointless in him appealing against his conviction then, wouldn't it?

[Simon13]

use your brain diable, being in the building i've met alsorts from armed robbers to drink drivers and my new mate this week is scotty who was sectioned in august under the mental health act.

Non of them however are rapists. I guess women are cheap to you lot? I'll have to stop as i'm getting to angry at the folk defending this dickhead.

[Kos]

Just stop and think for once Kos, what rape actually is

I know what rape is cheers, a family member was raped.

While technically this was rape, he didn't hold a knife to her throat. He didn't wave a gun and threaten to blow someone's brains out like an armed robber would

She was too drunk to remember giving consent. The fact he can't/won't apologise has always protested his innocence and is appealing says a lot but not enough for the 12 people on the jury

Rape is wrong but men always get fucked over in rape cases even when girls admit to making it all up.

Marlon King was given second chance after being found guilty of sexual assault and breaking a girls nose

Other footballers have been given second chances .......

[bmandy68]

No way this dickhead should get his job back , and to say he could earn more money in other pofessions than being a footballer i struggle to think of one. Like to see him in the building trade i bet he would not last five minutes.

[snakebrain]

I didn't really know much about the case beyond the media coverage, which I largely ignored.

But in the interests of zone discussion, I've just read the trial notes and am actually quite surprised he was convicted on the evidence presented. The crucuial factor was whether the girl was in a fit state to give consent. Evans said she enthusiastically consented, as did the other male present. She insists has no recollection of events after about 3am.

Medical evidence was given which estimated that she was 2 1/2 times over the drink drive limit at the time of the incident, which wouldn't have been enough alcohol to cause the memory loss described. (She was tested at 11.30 am the following day, about 8 hours after the events concerned.) However, plentiful CCTV evidence exists which shows her in a much more advanced state of intoxication.

The case came down to whether she was able to consent and the jury said, interestingly, that she was in a fit state to consent to the other man, buit not to Evans.

On the face of it, it looks like an extremely weak conviction. I'd wouldn't be at all surprised if it's turned over on appeal. The fact the appeal has been fast-tracked may indicate that the powers that be are fully aware that it looks potentially unsafe.

So all in all, I'd be waiting for the appeal etc to be finished before I make any judgements about Evans. Except that I've already judged him to be a fairly typically obnoxious footballer type. That's not a crime, sadly..

Oh, and I can only surmise that his solicitor was Not Great. Loads of opportunities to undermine the complainant's case seem to have been missed. Kinda surprising, as I'd expect an obnoxious footballer type to lawyer up in some style..

[Andyboy]

I didn't really know much about the case beyond the media coverage, which I largely ignored.

But in the interests of zone discussion, I've just read the trial notes and am actually quite surprised he was convicted on the evidence presented. The crucuial factor was whether the girl was in a fit state to give consent. Evans said she enthusiastically consented, as did the other male present. She insists has no recollection of events after about 3am.

Medical evidence was given which estimated that she was 2 1/2 times over the drink drive limit at the time of the incident, which wouldn't have been enough alcohol to cause the memory loss described. (She was tested at 11.30 am the following day, about 8 hours after the events concerned.) However, plentiful CCTV evidence exists which shows her in a much more advanced state of intoxication.

The case came down to whether she was able to consent and the jury said, interestingly, that she was in a fit state to consent to the other man, buit not to Evans.

On the face of it, it looks like an extremely weak conviction. I'd wouldn't be at all surprised if it's turned over on appeal. The fact the appeal has been fast-tracked may indicate that the powers that be are fully aware that it looks potentially unsafe.

So all in all, I'd be waiting for the appeal etc to be finished before I make any judgements about Evans. Except that I've already judged him to be a fairly typically obnoxious footballer type. That's not a crime, sadly..

Oh, and I can only surmise that his solicitor was Not Great. Loads of opportunities to undermine the complainant's case seem to have been missed. Kinda surprising, as I'd expect an obnoxious footballer type to lawyer up in some style..

Indeed. Whilst he's undoubtedly the usual footballer moron, the trial does seem loaded just as it was against Mike Tyson. They were just going to get him and that's that.

[gooner1]

For those that can be bothered.

https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-che ... dwyn-evans

[Jesus325iTouring]

Seriously why is there so much pressure to stop him from playing as a professional footballer again

He served his time so he should be allowed to resume his work

He has served his time, but his victim won't have, not now, not ever.
F cuk him.

[TPS]

Ask the victims of Luke McCormick, Lee Hughes, Marlon King what they think of footballers.

[snakebrain]

He has served his time, but his victim won't have, not now, not ever.
F cuk him.

What if the courts overturn the conviction? Would that change your view?

TPS - if I was the solicitor in that case, one of the background arguments I'd have put forward would have been that the case was prejudiced from the outset by media coverage of other similar cases involving footballers.

Loosely, I'd have argued that a media-fuelled preconception in the minds of the jury that footballers are more likely to commit rape exists and the trial was impossible to conduct impartially in light of that evidence. It wouldn't have been grounds for abandoning the case, but it would have forced the prosecution to defend that ground, and would have overtly raised the issue of all footballers being tarred with the same brush.

As I said above, the conviction looks unsafe to me. He may be obnoxious but the facts are that the girl in question went to a hotel rooom with one man, where they were later joined by Evans. Sex happened. She insists she can't remember anything, which crucially means she can't remember giving or not giving consent. (I do wonder about the possibility of some kind of date rape drug being used but there's no evidence.) Both men insist she enthusiastically consented. In the absence of more relaible evidence, that's reasonable doubt in my mind. I also can't see how she can have been sober enough to consent to the first man, but, an hour or so later, not sober enough to consent to Evans..

[Gert_8]

In my opinion, I agree the case is flakey. However, if there was an element of doubt in favour of the footballer, then he would not have been convicted. My feeling is that the girl (as stated) has consented to the first chap and then probably passed out. The other guy then came and took advantage of the "situation."

Was he in the bed with the girl when she woke up? I guess so, and she thought; who the frig is this guy and he must have had sex With me. THIS act was not consensual.

A verdict reached on probability of circumstances, but correct.

[spook]

He played in a Red and White striped shirt,he should get life for that.

[Simon13]

There are some right f**kin Berks on here, Kos you are one of them. And as now as usual in a moderating T shirt.

I'm out. Let Ched stand as an MP! whats the girl doing the accusing got to gain from all this?! "oh i was raped by a footabller?" But i lied to set him up..........it makes no sense

[DanThe]

Sorry but im not interested in the circumstances or whether its 'flakey' or not. I have better things to do with my life.
Convicted rapist is good enough for me to say that I dont think he should be any part of professional football again.

If it does get turned over and he is found not guilty then fair enough, many opinions will change and there will be lots of newspaper headlines slating the courts/briefs/police/woman in question etc, if that happens then I dont expect there would be any problem with him kicking a sack of leather round a grassed area

[Kos]

If he worked in F1 and say he was in a well paid role and he loved his job would you have the same opinion

Say he worked in finance or another well paid industry ?

Say he was convicted of invol manslaughter through dangerous driving

Would you have the same opinion or are opinion biased because he's in the limelight

Rape is disgusting but he has served his time

On Simons point, What has the girl got gain by crying rape ? I don't know, ask the 100's that do it every year destroy mens lives yet they always remain anonymous .......