Toyota-BMW sports car joint venture

[bab-91]

http://jalopnik.com/hell-yes-the-bmw-to ... 1655681458



Anyone know anything more on this? Will it be like the BRZ, same car different badges?


Some worrying news coming out of BMW recently, Van Meel etc.

[ImysE30]

I'm looking forward to it being a BMW & Jap fan

[kam-325i]

now that would be interesting....

[bab-91]

I'm looking forward to it being a BMW & Jap fan

This might crush you... but we can never be friends.



I think it's a terrible idea. Terrible IF they end up being badged BMW and Toyota.

[kam-325i]

I'd imagine it would be badged BMW over here/Europe and Toyota everywhere else..

[ImysE30]

I'm looking forward to it being a BMW & Jap fan

This might crush you... but we can never be friends.



I think it's a terrible idea. Terrible IF they end up being badged BMW and Toyota.

I'm heartbroken

Why such a terrible idea? It could work out really well

[kam-325i]

Thinking about now, what happened the last time Germany and Japan worked together.....

[bab-91]

I'm heartbroken

Why such a terrible idea? It could work out really well

I'm sorry, come over and see my Pot Noodle vending machine....



Toyota isn't in the same league... in relation to brand positioning anyway. Can't see it doing anything other than damaging the already damaged brand of BM.

[ImysE30]

BMW got nothing to lose then

[bab-91]

They haven't hit rock bottom yet.... (A Toybota with a BM badge might be rock bottom)


Although have you seen the X6M and the other fleet of mistakes...


Ze German's have killed for lesser failures.

I'd imagine it would be badged BMW over here/Europe and Toyota everywhere else..

Wouldn't make sense considering the Chinese Market. Being a Japanese company there is a major liability.

Funnay: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-2 ... rship.html

[Royalratch]

This smells like a first date before world domination takeover.

To mess with GM, VAG Porsche and Renault / Nissan and all the other world beating team ups BMW need to expand and there's only so much M-Badges faux model variant shite they can sell to russians and chinese.

Toyota get the know how and prestige out of it maybe - they don't need the muscle.

How long can BMW go it alone without at least engine / parts team ups.

I could be talking mollocks as I'm sure BMW's latest quarterly's are very healthy.

[gooner1]

It's not a terrible idea.
Though it could well become a terrible outcome.
Best to see the end result before we tear the concept asunder.

[bab-91]

No, Gooner. Don't rationalise it! I think it's a terrible idea, my mind is made up.



We don't even know if it will result in them sharing a model.. could just be an exchange of tech.

[gooner1]

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We don't even know if it will result in them sharing a model.. could just be an exchange of tech.[/quote]


I rest my case

[Andyboy]

Mazda and Alfa are platform sharing for the next MX5 and Spider. I don't think most buyers give a toss as long as the badge is right. Look at the A class Merc. Take a car that's nearly as good as an Astra, add a three pointed star and add ££££ = prestige.*







*whatever that is.

[steve_k]

bab, why so negative??

if those pictures are anything to go by it looks fantastic, though the finalmdel could look (slightly) different,

there's been so many teams ups between euro/jap/yank/uk car makers over the years that it comes as no surprise really.

just look at audi & Porsche with the RS2,

that was a success,

[dusty23]

bab, why so negative??

if those pictures are anything to go by it looks fantastic, though the finalmdel could look (slightly) different,

there's been so many teams ups between euro/jap/yank/uk car makers over the years that it comes as no surprise really.

just look at audi & Porsche with the RS2,

that was a success,

I think it looks horrendous...



and the RS2 wasn't sold by Porsche, they just breathed on it... also Audi is a strong brand so it wouldn't damage either brand to cooperate.

Porsche actually assembled the car, but I get your point

[bab-91]

bab, why so negative??

if those pictures are anything to go by it looks fantastic, though the finalmdel could look (slightly) different,

there's been so many teams ups between euro/jap/yank/uk car makers over the years that it comes as no surprise really.

just look at audi & Porsche with the RS2,

that was a success,

I think it looks horrendous...



and the RS2 wasn't sold by Porsche, they just breathed on it... also Audi is a strong brand so it wouldn't damage either brand to cooperate.

Porsche actually assembled the car, but I get your point

There is also a link between Audi & Porsche via Piëch (A grandson of Ferdinand Porsche) who became a chairman and CEO of the Volkswagen Group.

It was only agreed to because Porsche was performing badly in the early 90's... so take from that what you will.

[dusty23]

its an awesome car, the RS2 that is, always wanted one

[bab-91]

I'd imagine the majority are already owned by collectors that have squirrel'ed them away.

[steve_k]

I'd imagine the majority are already owned by collectors that have squirrel'ed them away.

this one sold on ebay for £18.5K

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1995-N-Audi-R ... 20e77476f5

[suchy]

I'd imagine the majority are already owned by collectors that have squirrel'ed them away.

A friend of mine has one and although a lovely wagon, it's not the be-all-end-all, bit disappointed driving the thing as I'd always built them up in my mind as some super-rapid wagon! But it's not like I'd say no to owning it though

[bab-91]

Mazda and Alfa are platform sharing for the next MX5 and Spider. I don't think most buyers give a toss as long as the badge is right. Look at the A class Merc. Take a car that's nearly as good as an Astra, add a three pointed star and add ££££ = prestige.*







*whatever that is.

That is the cynicism of a man who has been too long in the trade!


but yea that is a joke...

this one sold on ebay for £18.5K

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1995-N-Audi-R ... 20e77476f5

I'm surprised it's only £18.5k, weren't these produced in limited numbers? Plus you would imagine VAG scummers would sell their children to own such a 'prestigious' turd.

A friend of mine has one and although a lovely wagon, it's not the be-all-end-all, bit disappointed driving the thing as I'd always built them up in my mind as some super-rapid wagon! But it's not like I'd say no to owning it though

I've heard the same about the Audi Quattro U-R, seen Jalopnk shared some period reviews for it which showed it isn't what enthusiasts have built it up to be. Strange, eh?

[bab-91]

Thread revival!


http://jalopnik.com/the-bmw-toyota-supr ... 1693315649